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2018/2019 Starters and Bench
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oldrunner
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Here is my WAG.
1. Harding, Nelson
2. Nero, John
3. Barnes, Johnson
4. Chapman, Kupsas, Zdor, Morris
5. Braxton, Kozak, Fuller, Dallas
I could see one or two redshirts, but with the new rules, they may let them all play and then see who might be able to get a RS year in. With only 6 guards, it will be hard to RS any of them. It could happen, but it would take having no injuries to any guards over the season.
1. Harding, Nelson
2. Nero, John
3. Barnes, Johnson
4. Chapman, Kupsas, Zdor, Morris
5. Braxton, Kozak, Fuller, Dallas
I could see one or two redshirts, but with the new rules, they may let them all play and then see who might be able to get a RS year in. With only 6 guards, it will be hard to RS any of them. It could happen, but it would take having no injuries to any guards over the season.
wazzuwildcat03
Active member
1. Harding
2. John
3. Chapman
4. Kozak
5. Braxton
First off bench.... Nelson, Barnes, Kupsas, Zdor, Nero, Dallas
RS Johnson, Fuller
I predict that Barnes, Kupsas and Zdor all play a lot this year and are all going be be awesome by the time they graduate in 4 years.
2. John
3. Chapman
4. Kozak
5. Braxton
First off bench.... Nelson, Barnes, Kupsas, Zdor, Nero, Dallas
RS Johnson, Fuller
I predict that Barnes, Kupsas and Zdor all play a lot this year and are all going be be awesome by the time they graduate in 4 years.
UtahPirate
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I would like to see Johnson RS. I know these kids come back anxious to play after two years on a mission, but it takes a year to get into playing shape. By RS-ing it opens a lot of possibilities for him the following year with Braxton and Chapman both graduated.
I've been looking forward to this season for a couple of years. I hope I'm correct in thinking this team will be exceptional. To happen Chapman needs to be a dominating player. He showed it periodically last year. He needs to be great all season this year.
I've been looking forward to this season for a couple of years. I hope I'm correct in thinking this team will be exceptional. To happen Chapman needs to be a dominating player. He showed it periodically last year. He needs to be great all season this year.
oldrunner
Active member
I would like to see RMs red shirt most of the time. However, with only 6 true guards it may not be likely to happen with Spencer, unless nobody gets injured. As far as needing more time to get into playing shape, each player and each mission is unique. He may well have come back in great shape, ready to compete for PT. We simply don't know and won't until next October. Actually that goes for all of our guys. Each year is a new year. It's a bit of fun for us to speculate about these things. I don't have a clue about who will play and how much. I'm just making my wild azzed guess based on highlight videos and what some have said about certain guys. In the real world, the competition for PT will be intense. Red shirt choices must be unanimous between player, parents, and coach.UtahPirate said:
oldrunner said:
Cody John probably won't be able to play, his back is still not close to 100%, and coach will need all 5 of the rest of the guards for the season, therefore no guards will red-shirt. The only red-shirt that makes sense is possibly one of the bigs since there are 7 of them. It's fun to see what people are thinking as far as starters and those who will play. Has anyone seen the kids play, or are they just going off their 4-star rankings? Give the mission kids some time to get acclimated--one or both of them will likely be playing a lot of minutes this season.
oldrunner
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Last thing I heard on John was that he had been medically cleared for full participation. That was in April. I assume that they will take it slow with him over the summer, to build him back up to full strength before the real practices start. I think they are planning on him being available for the season, if that is at full strength or close to it. The thing that is unknown is how a player will respond coming off an injury. Cody is a motivated kid, so I think he will be okay. You are right, I don't think they will be able to red shirt any guards. Randy plays 5 guards and the 6th guy is in reserve for injuries that happen. It is a rare season that does not have injuries that limit the rotation. Most years, four big men will play and a fifth will be in reserve for injuries. With all of that said, this years team is different and things may change in regard to that rotation.DeeScott said:
I have not seen them play yet, but will try to get that accomplished next week. I do know that they are not playing as much this summer as they have in past summers.
Dee, your comments have me a bit worried. Your comments have always been on target. So, if he isn't able to go, then Randy really should have kept Riley or did what he could to get another guard in for insurance purposes. Or, Randy feels that one of the two stretch bigs can also play the 3? I really hope that Chapman plays the 4 this season.
I would like to see:
Doc
Harding
Barnes
Chapman
Braxton
I would like to see:
Doc
Harding
Barnes
Chapman
Braxton
talhadfoursteals said:
I should say this: I'm not Cody's doctor, and I don't know how Cody feels each day, so he's probably just being cautious in his return. The team has been working the youth camps this week, so I've been able to see the guys, how they interact, and how much effort they are putting in. I would say that Cody's situation might be similar to the two returned missionaries--taking it slow so they can get their bodies back in shape for October. I have no clue if it's more serious than that. Fuller is out right now with some sort of medical thing, but Johnson is looking really good even though he's only been home from his mission for a few weeks--he looks ready. Truth be told, we can all watch old video of how kids did on their HS and AAU teams, or highlight videos that only show what the kid is good at. But until they are put in the college environment, in Randy's system, none of us knows which one will rise up and be a player that the team needs. The other thing we need to remember is that those who start and play at the beginning of the year are not always the same guys who start and play a lot at the end of the season. So there ya go, my thoughts for now.
oldrunner said:
Great to see the conditioning without all the pounding, plus the guys all together--looks like they are having a good time. Love Cody's face in the second pic.
I think there is a lot of optimism about this year's team, and with good reason. This year's recruiting class is great on paper and will only get better. About the star rating: most kids are not seen enough by national scouts to be adequately evaluated, so their rating may be based on inadequate information. Mostly, guys who get 4 and 5 stars are either very athletic, very big, or very skilled. But there are some 2- and 3-star guys who are under the radar. I think that's the case with many of Weber's kids: the only 4-star kid on the team is Brekkot Chapman. We only have one 3-star kid--Zach Braxton. The rest of the team is all 2-stars, including the leading scorer in the BSC last year! Guys fly under the radar all the time and get under-evaluated on the "star" rating system, so it will be exciting to see how the team gels and which kids will rise up.
sacstateman
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Spight led the league last year...but I don't know how many stars he was rated at...probably more than 2 being as he was signed by Arizona State out of high school....Your guy was a close second though....
sacstateman said:
Correct you are on Spight being the leading scorer in the BSC this year. Spight originally committed to UTEP out of HS, but went the JC route, then ASU, then UNC. He was, like all the other people I've mentioned here, a 2-star recruit by ESPN coming out of HS. As I said earlier, there are many 2-star recruits who received those ratings because the scouts didn't see them enough. Spight and Jerrick Harding are two that we could all agree on as completely bogus as 2-stars since they have proven they are much more than that. My point in all of this is that we all think we know what we're talking about when picking a starting line-up in June, but we have no clue about what is going to happen with some guys. I had a conversation with a college basketball coach recently who told me that there are more 2 and 3 star guys in the NBA than there are 4 and 5 star guys (ratings for kids coming out of HS). I haven't done the research to know if that is true, but even if it's close to being true, it indicates that there are many "diamonds in the rough" who will prove they belong at the highest levels if given the chance and the right conditions.
oldrunner
Active member
I remember Damian as a 2 start guy as well. I'm glad he was.
I've noticed a lot of these 4 and 5 star big men getting cut from P5 teams. I think that tells you something. I have also seen guys who were not even listed as a prospect have great careers in college. I have always said that the star rating is to be taken with a grain of salt. It's fun to talk about, but that is about it.
I've noticed a lot of these 4 and 5 star big men getting cut from P5 teams. I think that tells you something. I have also seen guys who were not even listed as a prospect have great careers in college. I have always said that the star rating is to be taken with a grain of salt. It's fun to talk about, but that is about it.
Bengal visitor said:
Spight was a 2-star coming out of high school when he graduated in 2013.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/168241/andre-spight
Two years later, when he committed to ASU as it shows on the link you provided, he was a 4-star. Which proves exactly my point--that some guys get "under-starred" in HS and then develop through college, thus their star rating improves. The Bengals' own Jared Stutzman was a 2-star coming out of HS, but has performed above that in college. Anyway, it's good to see guys have their opportunities to blossom in college, which many of them do.
sacstateman
Active member
All depends on the rating service....here he was 3 star out of high school.....
https://247sports.com/Player/Andre-Spight-22788/high-school-36078
But who cares...As I have said before, there are no 1 star players so I guess 2 star is the lowest rating (probably means the rating services have never seen him play, hence, the underrating of players) ....Hate to call you out Oldrunner, but could you name a 5 star big man who got "cut" from his P5 team? Just curious since I can't think of any and you say there are lots of them out there....
https://247sports.com/Player/Andre-Spight-22788/high-school-36078
But who cares...As I have said before, there are no 1 star players so I guess 2 star is the lowest rating (probably means the rating services have never seen him play, hence, the underrating of players) ....Hate to call you out Oldrunner, but could you name a 5 star big man who got "cut" from his P5 team? Just curious since I can't think of any and you say there are lots of them out there....
sacstateman said:
I don't know about getting "cut" but there are quite a few 5-stars who don't pan out at the colleges they chose. There are quite a few, but here are just a few recent ones:
Chase Jeter--graduated HS in 2015, chose Duke, transferred to Arizona
Sacha Killeya-Jones graduated HS in 2016, chose Kentucky, transferred to NC State
Kyle Wiltjer, graduated HS in 2011, chose Kentucky, finished at Gonzaga
oldrunner
Active member
I counted over 22 four and five star guys who were cut from P5 schools this spring. It was more than that last year. The big men of note this year are Carlton Bragg Jr - Arizona, Braxton Key - Alabama, Sacha Jones - Kentucky, Ikey Obiagu - Florida State, and Jordan Tucker - Duke. Of those that have already picked new schools, It looks like the majority have slid down a notch or two. Probably over rated coming out of HS or there are other problems.sacstateman said:
Randy does a pretty good job measuring talent. It is one of his coaching skills I respect a lot. Yes, kids leave, but that happens at every DI program in the U.S. When recruiting your 13, 12, and even 11 scholarship kid, a lot of times these guys are projects. The coach is hoping that the kid will develop, if he doesn't, then what has the program really lost? Most of the last 2-4 kids end up leaving anyway because play time. Coaches are constantly trying to find the next best thing for the team. Regardless, I will totally agree that there are a lot of 2 star guys who are overlooked. Weber has had a lot over the years. However, whenever Randy gets a 3 star guy, experience and history tell me that the kid will end up being pretty good. He hasn't had a lot in his time at Weber, but whenever we do get one, they end up contributing quite a bit toward the success of the program.
