Antelope Valley

[SWWeatherCat]

WE PLAYED AN ANTELOPE WHILE THE BIG SKY PLAYED HIGHER LEVEL TEAMS...
Montana State played Washington State
Portland State played Arizona State
Southern Utah played Valparaiso
Northern Arizona played Santa Clara
Sac State played Colorado
Idaho State played New Mexico
Montana played USC
and
Weber played an Antelope

Yes, it is nice to have a tune-up early but that is what secret scrimmages and exhibitions are for! It won't effect our scheduling if the NCAA did step up. Weber State needs someone to step up and push to build a stronger program. It begins with recruiting (we do that pretty well) and requires playing quality opponents (which helps recruiting) in order to build a more nationally recognized program. When you hear announcers for NBA games talk about players from Dayton, Gonzaga etc., you don't hear them preface their comment about those players with the statement he is from "little" Gonzaga. But when you hear them talk about Damian it is always with amazement that he played at "little" Weber State. Come on AD, athletic department step it up! Build a quality schedule and it will result in stronger national recognition. For one, I am tired of being the "big fish in the puddle". Lets become a nice fish in the lake please...

I sure wouldn't have missed any of those other BSC matchups as I did for WSU. I saddest part is that when I "protest" this crap home schedule I end up finding I don't miss it nearly as much I thought I would. Now regarding SATG, that's another story.

 

[oldrunner]

WE PLAYED AN ANTELOPE WHILE THE BIG SKY PLAYED HIGHER LEVEL TEAMS...
Montana State played Washington State
Portland State played Arizona State
Southern Utah played Valparaiso
Northern Arizona played Santa Clara
Sac State played Colorado
Idaho State played New Mexico
Montana played USC
and
Weber played an Antelope

Yes, it is nice to have a tune-up early but that is what secret scrimmages and exhibitions are for! It won't effect our scheduling if the NCAA did step up. Weber State needs someone to step up and push to build a stronger program. It begins with recruiting (we do that pretty well) and requires playing quality opponents (which helps recruiting) in order to build a more nationally recognized program. When you hear announcers for NBA games talk about players from Dayton, Gonzaga etc., you don't hear them preface their comment about those players with the statement he is from "little" Gonzaga. But when you hear them talk about Damian it is always with amazement that he played at "little" Weber State. Come on AD, athletic department step it up! Build a quality schedule and it will result in stronger national recognition. For one, I am tired of being the "big fish in the puddle". Lets become a nice fish in the lake please...

WOW! Those are some nice home games for those schools. I'd like to know how they did it. We have Pepperdine, Stanford, USU, BYU, and the Alaska tourney coming up, but we sure don't have any HOME games like that. I think the whole athletic Dept. should be fired on the spot. Let's bring Sac Sts AD in here to get us a home game with Colorado. :rofl:

 

[sacstateman]

I think the point is, Weber hasn't in past seasons even played many tough games on the road...This year you have Pepperdine (not bad) and Stanford scheduled which is a step up...if you want our AD it would mean you would probably have to get Rahe to play at least 2 Pac-12 teams per year...I don't think baller thinks this will happen...

 

[WILDCAT]

WE PLAYED AN ANTELOPE WHILE THE BIG SKY PLAYED HIGHER LEVEL TEAMS...
Montana State played Washington State
Portland State played Arizona State
Southern Utah played Valparaiso
Northern Arizona played Santa Clara
Sac State played Colorado
Idaho State played New Mexico
Montana played USC
and
Weber played an Antelope

Yes, it is nice to have a tune-up early but that is what secret scrimmages and exhibitions are for! It won't effect our scheduling if the NCAA did step up. Weber State needs someone to step up and push to build a stronger program. It begins with recruiting (we do that pretty well) and requires playing quality opponents (which helps recruiting) in order to build a more nationally recognized program. When you hear announcers for NBA games talk about players from Dayton, Gonzaga etc., you don't hear them preface their comment about those players with the statement he is from "little" Gonzaga. But when you hear them talk about Damian it is always with amazement that he played at "little" Weber State. Come on AD, athletic department step it up! Build a quality schedule and it will result in stronger national recognition. For one, I am tired of being the "big fish in the puddle". Lets become a nice fish in the lake please...

Good God keep your panties on. The majority of all Div I schools play down at the start of the season.

Honestly with this absurd post you are grasping for any little thing to wine and moan about. If you dont like the way Weber does things go find some other team to root for. We know how you feel about Rahe and Weber, we dont need to hear about everytime you write something on here.

 

[Longtimecat]

I'm with you wildcat and besides don't we have some tough games coming up, pepperdine,stanford then Alaska shootout I just don't understand the need for Baller to always be negative towards Weber, Rahe and Bovey. Seriously what a drag.

 

[Back2WSU]

WE PLAYED AN ANTELOPE WHILE THE BIG SKY PLAYED HIGHER LEVEL TEAMS...
Montana State played Washington State
Portland State played Arizona State
Southern Utah played Valparaiso
Northern Arizona played Santa Clara
Sac State played Colorado
Idaho State played New Mexico
Montana played USC
and
Weber played an Antelope

Yes, it is nice to have a tune-up early but that is what secret scrimmages and exhibitions are for! It won't effect our scheduling if the NCAA did step up. Weber State needs someone to step up and push to build a stronger program. It begins with recruiting (we do that pretty well) and requires playing quality opponents (which helps recruiting) in order to build a more nationally recognized program. When you hear announcers for NBA games talk about players from Dayton, Gonzaga etc., you don't hear them preface their comment about those players with the statement he is from "little" Gonzaga. But when you hear them talk about Damian it is always with amazement that he played at "little" Weber State. Come on AD, athletic department step it up! Build a quality schedule and it will result in stronger national recognition. For one, I am tired of being the "big fish in the puddle". Lets become a nice fish in the lake please...

Good God keep your panties on. The majority of all Div I schools play down at the start of the season.

Honestly with this absurd post you are grasping for any little thing to wine and moan about. If you dont like the way Weber does things go find some other team to root for. We know how you feel about Rahe and Weber, we dont need to hear about everytime you write something on here.

:+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[baller]

Not sure how one can call a desire for improving the basketball schedule negative! My solution isn't to become a fan of another school. I graduated from Weber. I have been a long time fan of Weber through thick and thin. I have made significant financial contributions to the football and basketball programs over the years. I am a huge and hopeful fan for all things good and getting better at Weber. But I am not going to stop pushing for having bigger goals and doing the things necessary to reach higher heights. If this blog wants only acceptance of the status quo from this blogger, it is knocking on the wrong door. So whomever thinks my post are a negative and shouldn't be posted on this medium can continue their "crybaby" reactions if they so choose. Just as I choose to continue my supposed "negative" posts, thank you... What I really would like to say, to any poster who thinks my posts are negative, goes way beyond what I've actually said!

For the record, I like Bovee and think he is the best AD Weber has had in my lifetime. I like Hill and what he is doing for Weber football and finally I like Rahe and what he has accomplished at Weber. But none of that means that I should lie down, keep quiet and accept "bs" scheduling in bball. I think this years pre-conference, home basketball schedule (same as previous years) is a slap in the face to the talent on this team. We need to do better by these fantastic players.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Not sure how one can call a desire for improving the basketball schedule negative! My solution isn't to become a fan of another school. I graduated from Weber. I have been a long time fan of Weber through thick and thin. I have made significant financial contributions to the football and basketball programs over the years. I am a huge and hopeful fan for all things good and getting better at Weber. But I am not going to stop pushing for having bigger goals and doing the things necessary to reach higher heights. If this blog wants only acceptance of the status quo from this blogger, it is knocking on the wrong door. So whomever thinks my post are a negative and shouldn't be posted on this medium can continue their "crybaby" reactions if they so choose. Just as I choose to continue my supposed "negative" posts, thank you... What I really would like to say, to any poster who thinks my posts are negative, goes way beyond what I've actually said!

For the record, I like Bovee and think he is the best AD Weber has had in my lifetime. I like Hill and what he is doing for Weber football and finally I like Rahe and what he has accomplished at Weber. But none of that means that I should lie down, keep quiet and accept "bs" scheduling in bball. I think this years pre-conference, home basketball schedule (same as previous years) is a slap in the face to the talent on this team. We need to do better by these fantastic players.

:+1:
How anyone can feel anything but upset at the crap teams gracing the floor of the Dee is beyond me. It's hard to believe there aren't more competitive teams to play at home than Antelope U and I question why you wouldn't want to. 60-some-odd point win! Exactly how does a game like that make the team any better?

 

[oldrunner]

How anyone can feel anything but upset at the crap teams gracing the floor of the Dee is beyond me. It's hard to believe there aren't more competitive teams to play at home than Antelope U and I question why you wouldn't want to. 60-some-odd point win! Exactly how does a game like that make the team any better?

I can tell you how I think it makes us a little bit better. In years past, we would build a big lead and then relax a bit and let them back into the game. Our teams lacked the focus to finish teams off when we had the chance. We have actually lost some games that we should not have due to this kind of a let up. Part of that is having a second unit that plays with the same or more intensity than the first. This year, in our first two matchups, we have had just those situations. Situations where it would be quite easy to let up and start playing without purpose. This team seems to have fought through that and played with good intensity in spite of the score or poor competition. You are building up your starters, but more than that, you are also building up your bench.

Both of the teams we played had athletic players and fought as hard as they could throughout the games. It gives a team a chance to run their stuff against an opponent who hasn't seen it day in and day out for 5 weeks. Also, in the case of BHSU, they run a similar offense to Eastern Washington and Northern Arizona. It doesn't hurt to get a little work in on defending it.

You want your guys to develop confidence in what they are doing and their own skills. If all you do is go on the road for some big money games, you might just be practicing losing.

Yes, you want to be tested and stretched to find your level. However, I feel you need a balanced schedule that tests you but doesn't beat you into oblivion.

Some of our angst about the weak home pre season schedule is understandable, but it is not just us concerned about it. Our coaches want to improve it, the AD wants to improve it, and the BSC wants to improve it. It is not as if nobody cares about it. :dead:

 

[baller]

The only way to get better as a team is to recruit better players and then put them up against competition that stretches them, intensifies them, improves them. Scheduling down in competition results in playing down. Someone on this blog even mentioned how having Brekkot Chapman on the team has pushed our bigs in practice and made them better. It is true and the same thing applies when playing games for real.

We have experienced players in almost every backup position. I contend that they do not grow from playing lesser competition. They need challenges to grow and there is no challenge in playing down. Weber could play its worst with no intensity and still beat the likes of an Antelope by a ridiculous margin. I am not arguing that we should be playing the likes of Duke or Kentucky the first home game of the season but I am saying that we could dramatically improve the level of who we play and get far more from it than playing this one.

Runner if everyone you mentioned really wanted to improve the scheduling it would already be improved. They have had more than enough time to accomplish that. In my opinion Bovee wants to improve the schedule but Rahe wants control of scheduling and Bovee lets him do it to keep him happy at Weber. I have no proof of this but it is my studied opinion.

By the way, I was told by an unnamed official in the athletic department of Grand Canyon University that they have attempted to schedule Weber, home and home, and have been unsuccessful in getting it done. Take a look at their scheduling last year and this year if you want to see a team that is working hard to grow and become more of a national name. They are the most likely team in America to become the next Gonzaga, simply because they are stretching themselves to grow and be better. This is only their fourth year in Division 1 competition!

 

[AlumniWSU]

Runner if everyone you mentioned really wanted to improve the scheduling it would already be improved. They have had more than enough time to accomplish that. In my opinion Bovee wants to improve the schedule but Rahe wants control of scheduling and Bovee lets him do it to keep him happy at Weber. I have no proof of this but it is my studied opinion.

By the way, I was told by an unnamed official in the athletic department of Grand Canyon University that they have attempted to schedule Weber, home and home, and have been unsuccessful in getting it done. Take a look at their scheduling last year and this year if you want to see a team that is working hard to grow and become more of a national name. They are the most likely team in America to become the next Gonzaga, simply because they are stretching themselves to grow and be better. This is only their fourth year in Division 1 competition!

:+1: 'baller' I for one like your posts :nod: Proof is in the pudding--er--actions. Doubt we will get any statement as such, from the dept. showing dissent on this matter. The Antelope game is a repeat from last season, no excuses! That is on Rahe, & that is my gripe! So keep on with some heat now & again because that's what a fan forum is for. Go negative / go positive, within reason of course, but that is what adds flavor to this all. :twocents:

 

[oldrunner]

Runner if everyone you mentioned really wanted to improve the scheduling it would already be improved. They have had more than enough time to accomplish that. In my opinion Bovee wants to improve the schedule but Rahe wants control of scheduling and Bovee lets him do it to keep him happy at Weber. I have no proof of this but it is my studied opinion.

By the way, I was told by an unnamed official in the athletic department of Grand Canyon University that they have attempted to schedule Weber, home and home, and have been unsuccessful in getting it done. Take a look at their scheduling last year and this year if you want to see a team that is working hard to grow and become more of a national name. They are the most likely team in America to become the next Gonzaga, simply because they are stretching themselves to grow and be better. This is only their fourth year in Division 1 competition!

:+1: 'baller' I for one like your posts :nod: Proof is in the pudding--er--actions. Doubt we will get any statement as such, from the dept. showing dissent on this matter. The Antelope game is a repeat from last season, no excuses! That is on Rahe, & that is my gripe! So keep on with some heat now & again because that's what a fan forum is for. Go negative / go positive, within reason of course, but that is what adds flavor to this all. :twocents:

I think you make a good point with Grand Canyon. I don't know the details of why that HnH may have been turned down. I could think of a few reasons, mostly related to the same reasons most MWC teams don't want to set foot in the Dee. I think that I have said that before, that there are places our coaches don't really want to play. It's not all just related to the potential of losing either. Sometimes it might be about how they play, who they recruit, who their coaches are, what the travel is like, and what monetary considerations are attached to a contract. It might improve things a bit now with the officiating consortium in place.

 

[Longtimecat]

If the whole point of the complaints about the toughness of our home schedule is that our team is not getting tested at a higher level then why are we not talking about having a tough road schedule. I remember how tough our team played in the big sky tourneyment last year grinding out some tough games. I guarantee that the road schedule helped us more than the home one did. Come on now let's not have a glass half full mentality on our arguments.

 

[WILDCAT]

If the whole point of the complaints about the toughness of our home schedule is that our team is not getting tested at a higher level then why are we not talking about having a tough road schedule. I remember how tough our team played in the big sky tourneyment last year grinding out some tough games. I guarantee that the road schedule helped us more than the home one did. Come on now let's not have a glass half full mentality on our arguments.

:+1:

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Isn't the road schedule already immensely tougher than the home schedule, and more attractive?

For me, there has become very little that is attractive about Weber's home OOC schedule and I'm not willing to pay for it, nor do I believe they gain anything by throttling teams like Antelope U. I'm willing to pay the value of a steak dinner at Timbermine. I'm not willing to pay the same amount for a Krusty burger and fries. I would also argue the steak dinner makes Timbermine a better restaurant than serving fast food. Maybe a dumb analogy but I love Timbermine and I love WSU. I won't pay Timbermine for a Krusty burger and I won't pay WSU for piss-poor competition.

 

[WILDCAT]

Isn't the road schedule already immensely tougher than the home schedule, and more attractive?

For me, there has become very little that is attractive about Weber's home OOC schedule and I'm not willing to pay for it, nor do I believe they gain anything by throttling teams like Antelope U. I'm willing to pay the value of a steak dinner at Timbermine. I'm not willing to pay the same amount for a Krusty burger and fries. I would also argue the steak dinner makes Timbermine a better restaurant than serving fast food. Maybe a dumb analogy but I love Timbermine and I love WSU. I won't pay Timbermine for a Krusty burger and I won't pay WSU for piss-poor competition.

Then don't, seriously nobody here is stopping you

 

[Longtimecat]

That's the great thing about this country you have a right to decide whether to go anywhere or not and others right to not care.

 

[WILDCAT]

I guess Gittens' dunk against "weak little Antelope" was featured on Sportcenter

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Isn't the road schedule already immensely tougher than the home schedule, and more attractive?

For me, there has become very little that is attractive about Weber's home OOC schedule and I'm not willing to pay for it, nor do I believe they gain anything by throttling teams like Antelope U. I'm willing to pay the value of a steak dinner at Timbermine. I'm not willing to pay the same amount for a Krusty burger and fries. I would also argue the steak dinner makes Timbermine a better restaurant than serving fast food. Maybe a dumb analogy but I love Timbermine and I love WSU. I won't pay Timbermine for a Krusty burger and I won't pay WSU for piss-poor competition.

Then don't, seriously nobody here is stopping you

I'm not, and seriously, I wasn't asking for anyone's permission or approval.

 

[Longtimecat]

And nobody's asking for your permission on scheduling either.