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At least they are polite.

My opinion, based on what I've seen so far of Katz, is that he's a bumb. Period. I've given ligitimate reasons for that. Robinson took a job with no facilities, limited recruiting time, and team with a long history of losing. Sound familiar? Katz didn't have to compete against anyone with the budget you mentioned. Not Arizona, or UCLA or Cal or Stanford, etc., etc. Are you serious?
 
OSU has a freaking 10,000 seat arena and new annex they just built for practicing...what do you mean no facilities?!?! OSU, though not in the recent past, has had a very successful hoops history. You're just grasping straws here...fine, you don't like Katz. But when you make comments and comparisons without facts and then try to compare an apple (Oregon State) with an orange (Sac State), you give the appearance you really don't know what you are talking about.
 
williestarbuck said:
My opinion, based on what I've seen so far of Katz, is that he's a bumb. Period. I've given ligitimate reasons for that. Robinson took a job with no facilities, limited recruiting time, and team with a long history of losing. Sound familiar? Katz didn't have to compete against anyone with the budget you mentioned. Not Arizona, or UCLA or Cal or Stanford, etc., etc. Are you serious?
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Before calling it like you see and insulting the man, please spell the derogatory name correctly.

Also, comparing a Pac 10 program to Sac State is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Pinto. Give me a break. Schools like Oregon State have huge budgets, nice arenas, the mystique of being a Pac 10 school, big boosters. Sac State does not have any of that.

I have said numerous times before, please at least give the guy a full year of recruiting and coaching before calling him a bum. I consider this year a bit of a throw away.
 
cecesdada said:
williestarbuck said:
My opinion, based on what I've seen so far of Katz, is that he's a bumb. Period. I've given ligitimate reasons for that. Robinson took a job with no facilities, limited recruiting time, and team with a long history of losing. Sound familiar? Katz didn't have to compete against anyone with the budget you mentioned. Not Arizona, or UCLA or Cal or Stanford, etc., etc. Are you serious?
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Before calling it like you see and insulting the man, please spell the derogatory name correctly.

Also, comparing a Pac 10 program to Sac State is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Pinto. Give me a break. Schools like Oregon State have huge budgets, nice arenas, the mystique of being a Pac 10 school, big boosters. Sac State does not have any of that.

I have said numerous times before, please at least give the guy a full year of recruiting and coaching before calling him a bum. I consider this year a bit of a throw away.
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However you put it, Katz' first season was a disaster, 2-27! There's no excuse, blame it on whatever you want, the guy DIDNT PRODUCE!
 
First of all I'm very familiar with Oregon State's sports program. Fact is, OSU has had a terrible basketball program for years. They made an NIT maybe once that I'm aware of in the past 10-15 years. So when you say they've been successful but not in recent years how far back are you going? OSU has cried foul for years since Nike decided to adopt the University of Oregon and pump the lion share of its gift money into their program. But they made good decisions, got good coaches and developed winning programs anyway. Secondly, the annex I think you are talking about is the practice football field that came from Fiesta Bowl dollars when they had T.J. Ho***&%^$ and Chad Johnson. They renovated the football stadium from other bowl money too. They built a new baseball field from the 1st national championship. Now they plan to renovate the arena, but I don't know when they'll start or finish it. And as for the arena, yes, it may seat 10,000, and it has an overhead scoreboard, but it's one of the oldest in the Pac-10 and many feel it's a dump. I've been to 5 Pac 10 arenas and it's the worst I've seen. It doesn't even have a replay screen.

Use at least a brain cell when you read my post. Obviously I'm not comparing Sac State to OSU. I'm comparing Sac State's basketball program in the Big Sky to OSU in the Pac-10: poor facilities, bottom feeder in the standing, new coach hired at the same time. If you want to suggest OSU have all this money how do you explain their basketball failures?

As for the coaches, Robinson has taken a team that won no Pac-10 games last year (they might have won 1) to a team that's swept Cal and Stanford and beat WSU, Oregon, and SC, while playin ASU and Zona close. How'd he do it? Not by bouncing his best player before the season started, and not by trying to force fit players skills to his system.

In one season, Katz has set the program back to a point it might not recover. That's what upsets me. His my way or the hwy approach coming in, I can respect that. But you do what you have to do to keep the All-American and Conference Freshman of the Year. He didn't know the talent he recruited and or but he made them play in his system anyway. He continued to lose the same way, never able to figure out how stop a run. And then he made a terrible season worse with the Leath incident. I don't care what anyone says, telling the bus driver to pull off and you see your player--star player, team leader or otherwise--running to get on is disrespectful and inappropriate. What local recruit who hear's about that is gonna want to play for him--I guess we'll find out.

Now if you want to continue to praise him, SHA, you go ahead...But that makes me wonder if you know what you're talkin about.
 
I am not saying that Craig Robinson is not going to be a fine coach, but he at least inherited 9 players from last year's roster, including 5 of the top 6 scorers this year. Katz inherited 3 players, which ended up being his top scorers. He brought in the recruits that he could in a real short time. He had to bring in 12 recruits to a lower teir D-1 school in three weeks. You say he misjudged the talent. How is he supposed to talk about the recruits. Is he supposed to say, "Well, I just brought in the crap players that were available at the time."? Come on, be real. He did the best with what he was thrown his way.

Do I think he is the best coach in the world? No. Are there probably things he could have done better? I am sure he would tell you that there are. I am sure he was working his tail off to try to figure out how to win games, but you can only mold crap so much. Believe me, I have followed the Hornets through Don Newman, Coach T, and Jenkins, so I am well aware of what bad coaches look like. I tend to be one of those crazy people that believe it takes more than one year to judge a coach, especially one coming into a program that had been left in shambles by the previous coaches. To say, he ruined the program, I am not sure how much worse off we are this year than last. Last year, we won two games against Division 1 programs. This year, we won two games against Division 1 programs. Let's give the guy a year to try to prove himself with a full year of recruiting and coaching actual Division 1 players.

By the way, from what I remember reading when it happened and through a quick internet search, I would say that Vinnie McGhee had people in his ear telling him he could do so much better than Sac State, and that is why he left and went to Northridge. Then again, I could be wrong.
 
Cece, you would be right about McGhee. He had way too many of his boys in his ear that once Jenkins was gone, it would be beneath him to play for Katz.

As for Williestarbuck, Im not happy about this season either. However, I do use common sense and I knew that we would probably have a season like we did. It's called being realistic. I know you are one of those guys that is win now or be out. Me, i am a patient type who has stuck by my Alma Mater through thick and thin.
 
Vinnie McGhee totally and completely left on his own free will. So, willie, you're going to think what you will and you're also going to throw your opinions around and play them off as fact, however the thing is that Katz had nothing to do with Vinne McGhee leaving. And also, how can anyone say that this season has brought the school to a point of no return? Look at the stats, though not SIGNIFICANTLY better, the numbers prove that we were better than last year. We won the same amount of games against D1 teams and also held our opponents to a lower scoring average. Numbers don't lie.
 
Well, I only hope that the coaching staff is able to bring in recruits that are ready to start right away, whether they are freshmen or JC transfers because I don't believe the players we have coming back will be able to push us up the ladder very far, if at all. This is the most pressing issue now. We need help everywhere, but especially at PG. Northern Colorado got a great PG, John Pena, from a JC and he stepped right in and Weber State has Lillard, only a freshman, but he's one of the best in the BSC. There are players out there that can help us immediately, but we've got to find them (at least 3) and bring them here somehow. If we don't or can't, it's going to be another long season IMO.
 
Yeah, I let off steam for the way we've played and the way we've lost games. Now that the season's over, I'm done talking about how bad it was and I look forward to some progress. This clearly wasn't a good first year for Katz, some by his doing and some by the circumstances he came into. I hope he's learned a lot about the DI game on the court and off. I also hope you guys are right about him and he's better than what I've seen. Believe me, I want to be wrong. And if I am, I'll gladly admit it.
 
williestarbuck said:
Yeah, I let off steam for the way we've played and the way we've lost games. Now that the season's over, I'm done talking about how bad it was and I look forward to some progress. This clearly wasn't a good first year for Katz, some by his doing and some by the circumstances he came into. I hope he's learned a lot about the DI game on the court and off. I also hope you guys are right about him and he's better than what I've seen. Believe me, I want to be wrong. And if I am, I'll gladly admit it.
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Hey, we all (me included) get a bit heated when it is something you have passion for. I am hoping for some better results next year also. We shall see.
 
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