Beehive Classic Saturday, Dec. 9, 2017

[wsucatfan]

• Dec. 9, 2017: BYU vs. Weber State; Utah vs. Utah State
• Dec. 8, 2018: USU vs. WSU; BYU vs. Utah
• Dec. 14, 2019: WSU vs. Utah; BYU vs. USU

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2016...er-state-college-basketball-vivint-arena.html

 

[SWeberCat02]

Bovee said it’s unlikely the event would cause Utah schools to play each other more than once in a season. Weber State, he said, will work its contracts around each year’s Beehive matchup and will otherwise continue home-and-home series with BYU and Utah State.

Great, even fewer quality home games for us :thumbdown:

 

[n.ogdencat]

I'm sure that Weber and USU will play each other twice in 2018, once on a neutral court and once in Logan. Nice thing is, is that the Cats get the Aggies at home next year. Bad thing, if there isn't a second game scheduled in 2018 when we meet each other in SLC, it could mean that the Aggies wouldn't be visiting the Dee until 2020.

As for our schedule with BYU. This isn't a good sign. We played them last year in SLC, this year in Provo, the next year in SLC, meaning that the earliest the Cougars will visit Ogden again is 2018. Next year should have been a home game against BYU (to be honest, I wouldn't doubt that the 2018 game ends up in Provo meaning the Cougars wouldn't visit the Dee until 2019) and they will probably count it as a home game for Weber, but they get all the lower bowl tickets.

I'm glad to get a stab at the Utes. Don't know what that Wildcat team will look like. I would have rather got them the year before, but...YES...this could shake up our home schedule, but it is worth it knowing we have a guarantee against the Utes. Yes, it is a few years away, but it is something to get excited about.


Is this the BIG announcement Jerry spoke about in the video last week?

 

[ajwildcat]

If this affects our home schedule in the slightest then I am NOT a fan of this. To me this seems to be yet another case where WSU and USU let them selves be pushed around and bullied by the other 2 schools and we as fans are told to embrace it. I can't hardly wait to see St. Jimmy's school for outta shape homeless guys play in the DEE because BYU doesn't see the point in playing us twice a year. I would love to be optimistic about this but I have heard enough bull, and no matter how you look at it a turd is still a turd no matter how much polish you put on it.
I hope I am wrong but I can clearly see the writing on the wall here. :twocents:

 

[wazzuwildcat03]

This is retarded!!!! It will just make it so we have even less OOC home games. We were suppose to play BYU in Ogden next year. This just fudges that up. The only team I would like to play at Vivint arena are the Utes. How does playing BYU or USU in SLC help us???? I think its dumb. Get used to watching us play teams that my church ball team could probably beat. F word!!!!! :wall:

 

[oldrunner]

I'm OK with all of this as long as it is part of the season ticket package for all teams and as long as we continue the HnH with USU/BYU in the years we don't play them in Sh!tt Lake Salty. To go along with this, our efforts to line up a bunch of DI HnH contracts should be tripled. :rockon:

 

[ajwildcat]

I'm OK with all of this as long as it is part of the season ticket package for all teams and as long as we continue the HnH with USU/BYU in the years we don't play them in Sh!tt Lake Salty. To go along with this, our efforts to line up a bunch of DI HnH contracts should be tripled. :rockon:

This would be a must but looking at the recent track record (last 8-10 years) I just don't have much hope of this happening.

 

[WILDCAT]

When the idea first started floating around about it being a three day, three game tournament I was all for it, each team played each team once in a round robin tournament.

But now that it has come out and I find that it is only a one game thing a year, what really is the point? we already play H&H's with BYU and the Aggs, but now, USU, Weber and to some extent BYU all lose potential home games, like others say, next year we were supposed to have both Utah State and BYU at home, now we only have Utah State, I'll be really mad if the game in 2018 vs BYU is going to be in Provo. in 2018 Utah State was going to have us as a home game, now they will play us in SLC (might play twice with USU that year, done it before).

The only one this doesn't really effect schedule wise is Utah, because they already weren't playing anyone else.

A couple of interesting quotes

Bovee said it’s unlikely the event would cause Utah schools to play each other more than once in a season. Weber State, he said, will work its contracts around each year’s Beehive matchup and will otherwise continue home-and-home series with BYU and Utah State.

He also said conversations with Utah athletic director Chris Hill are ongoing. The two are trying to nail down a time the Wildcats and Utes can meet before their now-scheduled 2019 game at Vivint Arena.

The only school Weber might play twice a year is probably Utah State, but now that Stew isn't the head coach it seems less likely.

Also, unless one of those games against the Utes is in Ogden, tell Utah to take a hike. They already don't have a problem not playing us, and I don't have a problem anymore on not playing them. win win.

 

[oldrunner]

But now that it has come out and I find that it is only a one game thing a year, what really is the point?

I think the point is that the UUs are responding to pressure to act like big boys and not be afraid to play somebody. I fully understand their reluctance to continue the old HnH schedules with everyone. I would be thrilled if we could get a two for one deal with them, or just play them every third year as a money game. I don't think that either of those two things are too much to ask, to go along with this new, neutral site arrangement. IMO, two for one deals should only be done with MWC or higher teams and HnH with everyone else in DI. We should never have more than 2 games with less than DI programs, and one of those 2 should be an exhibition game. That should be the minimum standard for all bb schedules. Apparently, no minimum standard has been set in the past. I would think that would be an AD function, setting standards for the programs under their administration. Just sayin'. :wall: :yikes:

 

[WILDCAT]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=40745695&nid=294

Utah and Utah State haven't faced each other in a game since the 2010-11 season. Krystkowiak said back in January that he didn't schedule a game against the Aggies because he and then-head coach Stew Morrill chose not to.

"The reason we haven’t played Utah State is not because anybody’s running from it," Krystkowiak said. "Truth be known is because Stew Morrill and I are really good friends, and we didn’t want to play each other. Maybe it looked a little more political, but when we visit with each other Stew said, ‘I don’t want to play you,’ and I said, ‘I don’t want to play you.’ And through our athletic directors we managed to not play each other."

Larry is a lying piece of :shit:

 

[UtahPirate]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=40745695&nid=294

Utah and Utah State haven't faced each other in a game since the 2010-11 season. Krystkowiak said back in January that he didn't schedule a game against the Aggies because he and then-head coach Stew Morrill chose not to.

"The reason we haven’t played Utah State is not because anybody’s running from it," Krystkowiak said. "Truth be known is because Stew Morrill and I are really good friends, and we didn’t want to play each other. Maybe it looked a little more political, but when we visit with each other Stew said, ‘I don’t want to play you,’ and I said, ‘I don’t want to play you.’ And through our athletic directors we managed to not play each other."

Larry is a lying piece of :shit:

Merrily going along reading everyones comments thinking others had covered my thoughts well enough. Then I hit this...

How do Ute fans not cover their faces in shame whenever this [add your own word here] opens his mouth. I mean I'm tempted to tirade, but this is just so bad (and with an arrogance that is stupefying). Incredible ...

 

[AlumniWSU]

If this affects our home schedule in the slightest then I am NOT a fan of this. To me this seems to be yet another case where WSU and USU let them selves be pushed around and bullied by the other 2 schools and we as fans are told to embrace it. I can't hardly wait to see St. Jimmy's school for outta shape homeless guys play in the DEE because BYU doesn't see the point in playing us twice a year. I would love to be optimistic about this but I have heard enough bull, and no matter how you look at it a turd is still a turd no matter how much polish you put on it.
I hope I am wrong but I can clearly see the writing on the wall here. :twocents:

It will affect our home schedule & for the worse! Over the long haul, we lose DEC games against USU & BYU...with Rahe's weak home scheduling record (with Bovee & staff in denial as to the related reason the DEC is more than half empty for most OOC games) it will most likely worsen! Don't count on any improvement anytime soon. :thumbdown:

 

[hdqweber]

I'm generally optimistic about the plan. I would be more frustrated from a scheduling standpoint if we were actually winning in-state games. We get a pac-12 team on a neutral courting a couple of years. Hard to complain when we can't even beat UVU.

 

[WILDCAT]

I'm generally optimistic about the plan. I would be more frustrated from a scheduling standpoint if we were actually winning in-state games. We get a pac-12 team on a neutral courting a couple of years. Hard to complain when we can't even beat UVU.

Speaking of UVU, and to some extent SUU. I wonder how their fans feel about being left out of this event

 

[wazzuwildcat03]

After looking at this more, I hate it more. We are getting screwed over big time. So next year we were supposed to play BYU at home. Now that we have to play them at Vivint, I doubt they will play us 2 times in a season so next year we are screwed out of a good home OOC game and who knows what this will do to the rotation with USU. I doubt they will want to play us 2 times a year. The Utes can eat a dick for all I care. I don't like the neutral instate games. They should all be set up as a Home and Home. I just don't see how this is good for us. Seems like we are getting bent over. I wonder if Bovee agrees and only says he likes it to the media. I can't wait to see more St. Katherince college level teams this year in the non conference. yay..

 

[oldrunner]

They should all be set up as a Home and Home. I just don't see how this is good for us.

None of us know all of the particulars. I am thinking that UU is probably picking up the tab for the whole thing and providing a payout to each team. The Jazz are probably contributing some as well. I am not against it, as long as some good minimum standards are set for our home schedules in the future. As long as the UUs are footing the bill, this should be part of every teams season ticket package.

The good part about this is getting the UUs, coach K, out from under the rock and talking to people with a modicum of civility. Maybe we can let them win a couple of games and they won't feel so inferior and threatened. :nod: :nod: :nod:

 

[Webergrad02]

Hold on....
We have to look at this with the new landscape of college basketball. We know that BYU has moved to play us home, away, neutral. That isn't going to change. Last year the neutral wasn't really neutral because we chose to have more guarantee money than allotted tickets. Yes the timing next year puts a neutral game in the slot of our home game. But each team will get the same number of tickets and will split the TV revenue. We will likely get to play on an ESPN network once a year as a result.

I would rather play the Utes at a neutral location than at their place. Once every three years is about right.

USU is where we have work to do. We need to get them to play us twice the years we meet in the showcase. I could put forth the argument that we are a stronger program right now. This is the one that we need to do everything we can to keep the home and homes going every year.

I think that 10 years ago this would be a lot worse than it is in the current landscape. It continues our current arrangement with BYU. We now play the Utes once every three years. If ESPN picks this up it will be pretty fantastic.

I have been pretty critical of Brandon Garside in the past. I thought he asked the best and most relevant question at the press conference yesterday. If this had been a round robin tournament we would likely not get home games with the instate schools in the future. I am putting together a super long post about "just enough" Jerry and "good enough" Grua saying that we want to follow the Gonzaga model. If we really do follow the Gonzaga model of scheduling, this is a step in that direction. Gonzaga plays 5 or 6 neutral site games every year.

 

[Webergrad02]

They should all be set up as a Home and Home. I just don't see how this is good for us.

None of us know all of the particulars. I am thinking that UU is probably picking up the tab for the whole thing and providing a payout to each team. The Jazz are probably contributing some as well. I am not against it, as long as some good minimum standards are set for our home schedules in the future. As long as the UUs are footing the bill, this should be part of every teams season ticket package.

The good part about this is getting the UUs, coach K, out from under the rock and talking to people with a modicum of civility. Maybe we can let them win a couple of games and they won't feel so inferior and threatened. :nod: :nod: :nod:

I don't think UU is picking up the tab. LHM is putting on the event and from what I heard yesterday it appeared to be a pretty even distribution of tickets and revenue.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I don't hate this, I don't exactly like it either. I think it is Meh. I'm sure that Weber and USU will work out an arrangement where we play each other HnH each year, even if we do have a game against one another at the classic. So, in 2018, get ready to play the Aggies in Logan and at the Vivint.

BYU, I highly doubt will ever play us twice in a season. They don't have an issue filling their schedule and they aren't going to want to play Weber twice. Yes, they will continue to play us annually, but it will only be once. I'm only worried about where they will play us. So, we know we are suppose to play in Provo this year and next year in Salt Lake. So, that would mean they return to Ogden in 2018. That does suck, because we lose a good OOC game in 2017, but will we for sure see them back in Ogden in 2018? I really hope so, but... BYU, might change the way they set up schedules if they were invited to the Big 12. That is a serious option for them and definitely might happen.

 

[sacstateman]

Big 12 only wants BYU for football...