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Big Sky Tournament
- Thread starter Waldo2
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On Feb 11 we played Montana and lost to them by 13. I think the biggest point differential or our losses. We came to that game just not ready to play. Montana made us look second rate. After that game I wrote here that this loss would cost us the conference championship. It did...
I think our team, when they come to play, is by far the most talented team in the Sky. I also think that we have won games against lesser teams even when we didn't come to play a great game. But we cannot do that against the better teams in the Sky. Therefore, what happens in Boise totally depends on us. If we play up to our potential no one will touch us. If we play to a lesser standard, as we often do, we can lose to any team in the playoffs.
It will be interesting to see if Rahe can overcome his coaching shortcomings, get this team ready to play every game and doesn't let others outcoach him. We might be playing Montana in our first game and their coach definitely has Rahe's number. He outcoaches Rahe in every game, even when we win. It will be interesting to see if that trend continues. Can the team and race rise to the occasion and elevate their performances?
I think our team, when they come to play, is by far the most talented team in the Sky. I also think that we have won games against lesser teams even when we didn't come to play a great game. But we cannot do that against the better teams in the Sky. Therefore, what happens in Boise totally depends on us. If we play up to our potential no one will touch us. If we play to a lesser standard, as we often do, we can lose to any team in the playoffs.
It will be interesting to see if Rahe can overcome his coaching shortcomings, get this team ready to play every game and doesn't let others outcoach him. We might be playing Montana in our first game and their coach definitely has Rahe's number. He outcoaches Rahe in every game, even when we win. It will be interesting to see if that trend continues. Can the team and race rise to the occasion and elevate their performances?
sacstateman
Active member
Right now, if I were a Weber fan, I would be hoping today's cancellation doesn't carry to next week and not allow you guys to play at all....."Not likely that it was positive results because they don't test between games. Somebody was either exposed or became ill. Nobody has said who or when. They cancelled for precautionary reasons" ....I don't buy Old's explanation cuz he usually dreams up excuses for Weebs....Where is his outrage over the students sitting next to each other at the Dee as he had over the students at SUU? ...."SUU has an outbreak, series with ISU canceled. Hope your guys avoid the bug. If we caught the bug, we caught it from them and their student body who was allowed to attend the game. If we did get it, I think we should sue them for their reckless behavior. IMHO, they can't leave the BSC fast enough." ...Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.....
weberwildcat
Active member
I dont understand how 2 n 3 seed was determined
Sir Velo said:
I guess it came down to common opponents since the Eagles and Cats never got to tangle this year. Yet, I agree...I'm not sure the Sky's normal tie breaker makes much sense this year. I like what Hein said the other day, Weber played more road games then Eastern and has the highest RPI in the league. Shouldn't that have gotten the Cats the 2 seed? Oh well...the Sky :roll:
This is the first year I am okay with this tournament. It was hard to make this season "fair" for everybody in the league and because of that, everyone should participate in this tournament, but the Sky definitely needs to look at this model. Personally, I hate it.
What is the point of the season? Why play the games and care about the games if everybody gets to go and has to travel?
TO me, this hurts Big Sky communities, fans, and the potential for schools to make some $$$. Most importantly, it makes the season irrelevant. Gone are the games that "mean" anything. Winning the #1 seed does nothing to help the best team in the conference. The best team should get the right to stay home and play on its home court. The Sky is a one team league. The team that has done the best, in a fair and equal conference schedule, deserves the right to host.
The old format, made the season worthwhile and helped build, maintain, and deepen fan bases. College sports are about generating revenue for schools, not for coaches to keep their jobs. Why else pay sooo much for a coach? Besides, this hasn't kept any coach off the "hot seat." I'd love to see our numbers for the past six years. I bet our ticket sales have suffered and we have lost money and influence because of this idea. I keep thinking back to the 2013 Championship. Best game of basketball I have ever watched, even though we lost, it was awesome being in Missoula that night. Earlier in the year, the games against Montana meant so much more than usual and the fans knew it. Both teams fans and students showed up. Epic rivalries and games, but those are being lost in this new era. We will never see a championship game with a full stadium and students chanting and yelling. As a student nothing can replace the 2003 game. For the past six years this has been lost and it is hurting, not helping the Sky.
Colter_Nuanez56
Active member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vojw8MznPUg&feature=youtu.be
Another year...same result.
Such a selfish ending.
I am sick at my stomach watching Rahe coach so many games that the team was talented enough to win but they don't because he doesn't properly prepare them and doesn't do adequate in-game adjustments.
The team was not prepped to play inspired defense tonight. Montana was...
The coach did not make any adjustments to his defensive plan even though Montana repeatedly drove into the paint and dished to a wide-open man who easily scored because the defense was collapsing to the ball and Montana just passed to the guy left open. Guys who were 5-10 point per night scorers got 15-20 tonight as a result. DeCure knew that he could do this to Weber and prepared his players to execute it well.
Finally Rahe made some significant adjustments with 6 minutes left in the game. Big adjustments, good adjustments, effective adjustments. They created some energy from the players. They turned the ball over and low and behold all of this increased energy led to some 3 pointers being made. BUT... to late. How can one expect to overcome a 16 point deficit in 6 minutes. It doesn't often happen.
As I have repeatedly said Rahe is not a good in-game coach. DeCure is excellent at preparing his team for the competition and making in-game adjustments. As a result Rahe cannot beat him even with better talent.
Lastly, do you realize that DeCure just beat Rahe with the type of team that Rahe says you cannot win in the Big Sky with. The type of team that RR fired at the end of last year. That is, a young and inexperienced team. Montana started and predominantly played 3 freshmen and a sophomore. I guess you cannot win with that ingredient if you are RR but if you can coach you can!
The team was not prepped to play inspired defense tonight. Montana was...
The coach did not make any adjustments to his defensive plan even though Montana repeatedly drove into the paint and dished to a wide-open man who easily scored because the defense was collapsing to the ball and Montana just passed to the guy left open. Guys who were 5-10 point per night scorers got 15-20 tonight as a result. DeCure knew that he could do this to Weber and prepared his players to execute it well.
Finally Rahe made some significant adjustments with 6 minutes left in the game. Big adjustments, good adjustments, effective adjustments. They created some energy from the players. They turned the ball over and low and behold all of this increased energy led to some 3 pointers being made. BUT... to late. How can one expect to overcome a 16 point deficit in 6 minutes. It doesn't often happen.
As I have repeatedly said Rahe is not a good in-game coach. DeCure is excellent at preparing his team for the competition and making in-game adjustments. As a result Rahe cannot beat him even with better talent.
Lastly, do you realize that DeCure just beat Rahe with the type of team that Rahe says you cannot win in the Big Sky with. The type of team that RR fired at the end of last year. That is, a young and inexperienced team. Montana started and predominantly played 3 freshmen and a sophomore. I guess you cannot win with that ingredient if you are RR but if you can coach you can!
weberwildcat
Active member
Weird year. We were lucky most games took place. We had a whole new roster and almost pulled a 2007. I dont feel mad about how it ended.
Just anyone but the griz
Just anyone but the griz
I'm going to offer a different perspective of how Travis DeCuire out coached Randy Rahe to give Montana the "W"
True Randy Rahe got out-coached by Travis DeCluire in this game again and did not make adequate adjustments in the second half. That being said, that is NOT where the game was lost tonight.
Tonight's loss was a full season in the making. The area where DeCuire out-coached Randy was throughout the season even in the games which were not against Montana. ??? you say??? How???
The first game against Montana in Mizzoula we were not ready for their defensive intensity and we got manhandled because of it. But Randy did make the necessary adjustments for the second game and we broke open a tight game going down the stretch. That was early in the conference season. Our guys' legs were still fresh. Randy from a strategic sense actually out-coached his Montana counterpart in that game.
But how many guys did Randy effectively use against Montana and all other opponents all season long. The same rotation of 7-8 guys despite having the deepest most talented bench he's ever had at Weber & far deeper than any other team in the Big Sky. But DeCuire used 10 or 11 guys in those games and had had a different starting lineup for at least six straight games before the second game against the Cats.
Why is that important??? Well, WSU has far more talent and experience than any other BSC team, yet Randy continues to rotate like he has only 6 or 7 players who are reliable. DeCuire has used a ten or eleven man rotation throughout the season and hence their players legs were fresh plus he developed players who could contribute giving his regulars more rest, developing talent and making more combinations possible as to fully utilize the talent they have. Randy had the most talent and deepest talent of any team in the BSC, but he continued to overuse and overwork the core - just as he has his entire career - despite having so much more talent this year than anybody else in the Sky.
Tonight's result actually began to reveal itself in Sacramento. Weber was first in the BSC in three point percentage and I believe third in the nation. Against Sac State we barely hit a three in either game. In the first game, the players still had fresh enough legs to drive (especially the guards) on them and shoot an incredible percentage from inside the arc and come away with a solid win. Along comes Northern Colorado in the Dee Center and the press was billing it as the best three point percentage shooting in the conference vs the best three point defense in the conference. Well, I was at that game and watched it. UNC's three point defense was pathetic at best that night yet Weber went 1-10 from downtown. By now, the players' legs were so worn out that they couldn't even hit easy layups and shots from inside the arc. The only thing that saved Weber is UNC could not capitalize on their layups or open jumpers including an open look from about 10-15 feet to win it. It didn't hurt that UNC committed an incredibly stupid foul after that shot [with the score tied] that gave Kozak the winning free throw.
Well, it's the same pattern we have suffered for so many years under Randy Rahe. Late season breakdowns because of not utilizing his bench the regulars get fatigued and tired legs and even though they are in excellent shape and great players, they tend to lose that tiny extra spark that gives them such a great edge over their competition. The decline in three point shooting came not because of great defense against it. It came because of tired and fatigued legs.
Many people will fault Isaiah Brown due to his incredibly bad game tonight. Yes, he struggled, but I fault not Isiah, but rather Randy Rahe for his demise at the end of the season. Brown is an incredible talent but Randy just rode him too much playing him for so many minutes each game throughout the season and especially down the stretch. Many games Isiah played a full 40 minutes and most times nearly the entire game. It wears your legs down and it affects performance at the end. Randy needed to use KJ Cunningham more and needed to give Hunter a chance to earn minutes early in the season. Had he used Hunter five minutes a game and given KJ another five or seven minutes over what he was already getting, then Brown & Segu could have gotten more rest saving their legs for the season end drive.
In tonight's game our guys had no answer for Montana's guards penetrating. Well, in the second game in Mizzoula, we successfully stopped their guards from penetrating. How did the Grizz's guards get so much faster in the month since we played them??? I say unto you, they didn't. Our guys were a step slower due to tired and fatigued legs. Whose fault is the tired and fatigued legs?? The players??? No!!! It's not the fault of the players. It's because there has been inadequate use of the bench by our coach during the entirety of the season. That is where DeCuire out-coached Randy Rahe and the results of tonight's game have been in the works for the past 12 weeks.
That being said, I was really proud of how our players dug down deep within their character and really outplayed Montana the last four minutes coming from 16 points down to get within one point. That took enormous energy and courage for our players to do that. It showed just how much better our talent is than Montana's or any other Big Sky team. Trouble is, when your legs are tired and body & mind is fatigued from not getting enough rest in games, you can do that for a short stretch but it is almost impossible to maintain that level of intensity the entire game or even an entire half.
Had Randy utilized the deepest and most talented bench of any team in the Big Sky, then his core & starters would have had fresh legs at the end of the season including tonight and we'd be previewing tomorrow night's game against Eastern Washington.
hno:
True Randy Rahe got out-coached by Travis DeCluire in this game again and did not make adequate adjustments in the second half. That being said, that is NOT where the game was lost tonight.
Tonight's loss was a full season in the making. The area where DeCuire out-coached Randy was throughout the season even in the games which were not against Montana. ??? you say??? How???
The first game against Montana in Mizzoula we were not ready for their defensive intensity and we got manhandled because of it. But Randy did make the necessary adjustments for the second game and we broke open a tight game going down the stretch. That was early in the conference season. Our guys' legs were still fresh. Randy from a strategic sense actually out-coached his Montana counterpart in that game.
But how many guys did Randy effectively use against Montana and all other opponents all season long. The same rotation of 7-8 guys despite having the deepest most talented bench he's ever had at Weber & far deeper than any other team in the Big Sky. But DeCuire used 10 or 11 guys in those games and had had a different starting lineup for at least six straight games before the second game against the Cats.
Why is that important??? Well, WSU has far more talent and experience than any other BSC team, yet Randy continues to rotate like he has only 6 or 7 players who are reliable. DeCuire has used a ten or eleven man rotation throughout the season and hence their players legs were fresh plus he developed players who could contribute giving his regulars more rest, developing talent and making more combinations possible as to fully utilize the talent they have. Randy had the most talent and deepest talent of any team in the BSC, but he continued to overuse and overwork the core - just as he has his entire career - despite having so much more talent this year than anybody else in the Sky.
Tonight's result actually began to reveal itself in Sacramento. Weber was first in the BSC in three point percentage and I believe third in the nation. Against Sac State we barely hit a three in either game. In the first game, the players still had fresh enough legs to drive (especially the guards) on them and shoot an incredible percentage from inside the arc and come away with a solid win. Along comes Northern Colorado in the Dee Center and the press was billing it as the best three point percentage shooting in the conference vs the best three point defense in the conference. Well, I was at that game and watched it. UNC's three point defense was pathetic at best that night yet Weber went 1-10 from downtown. By now, the players' legs were so worn out that they couldn't even hit easy layups and shots from inside the arc. The only thing that saved Weber is UNC could not capitalize on their layups or open jumpers including an open look from about 10-15 feet to win it. It didn't hurt that UNC committed an incredibly stupid foul after that shot [with the score tied] that gave Kozak the winning free throw.
Well, it's the same pattern we have suffered for so many years under Randy Rahe. Late season breakdowns because of not utilizing his bench the regulars get fatigued and tired legs and even though they are in excellent shape and great players, they tend to lose that tiny extra spark that gives them such a great edge over their competition. The decline in three point shooting came not because of great defense against it. It came because of tired and fatigued legs.
Many people will fault Isaiah Brown due to his incredibly bad game tonight. Yes, he struggled, but I fault not Isiah, but rather Randy Rahe for his demise at the end of the season. Brown is an incredible talent but Randy just rode him too much playing him for so many minutes each game throughout the season and especially down the stretch. Many games Isiah played a full 40 minutes and most times nearly the entire game. It wears your legs down and it affects performance at the end. Randy needed to use KJ Cunningham more and needed to give Hunter a chance to earn minutes early in the season. Had he used Hunter five minutes a game and given KJ another five or seven minutes over what he was already getting, then Brown & Segu could have gotten more rest saving their legs for the season end drive.
In tonight's game our guys had no answer for Montana's guards penetrating. Well, in the second game in Mizzoula, we successfully stopped their guards from penetrating. How did the Grizz's guards get so much faster in the month since we played them??? I say unto you, they didn't. Our guys were a step slower due to tired and fatigued legs. Whose fault is the tired and fatigued legs?? The players??? No!!! It's not the fault of the players. It's because there has been inadequate use of the bench by our coach during the entirety of the season. That is where DeCuire out-coached Randy Rahe and the results of tonight's game have been in the works for the past 12 weeks.
That being said, I was really proud of how our players dug down deep within their character and really outplayed Montana the last four minutes coming from 16 points down to get within one point. That took enormous energy and courage for our players to do that. It showed just how much better our talent is than Montana's or any other Big Sky team. Trouble is, when your legs are tired and body & mind is fatigued from not getting enough rest in games, you can do that for a short stretch but it is almost impossible to maintain that level of intensity the entire game or even an entire half.
Had Randy utilized the deepest and most talented bench of any team in the Big Sky, then his core & starters would have had fresh legs at the end of the season including tonight and we'd be previewing tomorrow night's game against Eastern Washington.
hno:peauxrouge
New member
kcoolhand said:I'm going to offer a different perspective of how Travis DeCuire out coached Randy Rahe to give Montana the "W"
True Randy Rahe got out-coached by Travis DeCluire in this game again and did not make adequate adjustments in the second half. That being said, that is NOT where the game was lost tonight.
Tonight's loss was a full season in the making. The area where DeCuire out-coached Randy was throughout the season even in the games which were not against Montana. ??? you say??? How???
The first game against Montana in Mizzoula we were not ready for their defensive intensity and we got manhandled because of it. But Randy did make the necessary adjustments for the second game and we broke open a tight game going down the stretch. That was early in the conference season. Our guys' legs were still fresh. Randy from a strategic sense actually out-coached his Montana counterpart in that game.
But how many guys did Randy effectively use against Montana and all other opponents all season long. The same rotation of 7-8 guys despite having the deepest most talented bench he's ever had at Weber & far deeper than any other team in the Big Sky. But DeCuire used 10 or 11 guys in those games and had had a different starting lineup for at least six straight games before the second game against the Cats.
Why is that important??? Well, WSU has far more talent and experience than any other BSC team, yet Randy continues to rotate like he has only 6 or 7 players who are reliable. DeCuire has used a ten or eleven man rotation throughout the season and hence their players legs were fresh plus he developed players who could contribute giving his regulars more rest, developing talent and making more combinations possible as to fully utilize the talent they have. Randy had the most talent and deepest talent of any team in the BSC, but he continued to overuse and overwork the core - just as he has his entire career - despite having so much more talent this year than anybody else in the Sky.
Tonight's result actually began to reveal itself in Sacramento. Weber was first in the BSC in three point percentage and I believe third in the nation. Against Sac State we barely hit a three in either game. In the first game, the players still had fresh enough legs to drive (especially the guards) on them and shoot an incredible percentage from inside the arc and come away with a solid win. Along comes Northern Colorado in the Dee Center and the press was billing it as the best three point percentage shooting in the conference vs the best three point defense in the conference. Well, I was at that game and watched it. UNC's three point defense was pathetic at best that night yet Weber went 1-10 from downtown. By now, the players' legs were so worn out that they couldn't even hit easy layups and shots from inside the arc. The only thing that saved Weber is UNC could not capitalize on their layups or open jumpers including an open look from about 10-15 feet to win it. It didn't hurt that UNC committed an incredibly stupid foul after that shot [with the score tied] that gave Kozak the winning free throw.
Well, it's the same pattern we have suffered for so many years under Randy Rahe. Late season breakdowns because of not utilizing his bench the regulars get fatigued and tired legs and even though they are in excellent shape and great players, they tend to lose that tiny extra spark that gives them such a great edge over their competition. The decline in three point shooting came not because of great defense against it. It came because of tired and fatigued legs.
Many people will fault Isaiah Brown due to his incredibly bad game tonight. Yes, he struggled, but I fault not Isiah, but rather Randy Rahe for his demise at the end of the season. Brown is an incredible talent but Randy just rode him too much playing him for so many minutes each game throughout the season and especially down the stretch. Many games Isiah played a full 40 minutes and most times nearly the entire game. It wears your legs down and it affects performance at the end. Randy needed to use KJ Cunningham more and needed to give Hunter a chance to earn minutes early in the season. Had he used Hunter five minutes a game and given KJ another five or seven minutes over what he was already getting, then Brown & Segu could have gotten more rest saving their legs for the season end drive.
In tonight's game our guys had no answer for Montana's guards penetrating. Well, in the second game in Mizzoula, we successfully stopped their guards from penetrating. How did the Grizz's guards get so much faster in the month since we played them??? I say unto you, they didn't. Our guys were a step slower due to tired and fatigued legs. Whose fault is the tired and fatigued legs?? The players??? No!!! It's not the fault of the players. It's because there has been inadequate use of the bench by our coach during the entirety of the season. That is where DeCuire out-coached Randy Rahe and the results of tonight's game have been in the works for the past 12 weeks.
That being said, I was really proud of how our players dug down deep within their character and really outplayed Montana the last four minutes coming from 16 points down to get within one point. That took enormous energy and courage for our players to do that. It showed just how much better our talent is than Montana's or any other Big Sky team. Trouble is, when your legs are tired and body & mind is fatigued from not getting enough rest in games, you can do that for a short stretch but it is almost impossible to maintain that level of intensity the entire game or even an entire half.
Had Randy utilized the deepest and most talented bench of any team in the Big Sky, then his core & starters would have had fresh legs at the end of the season including tonight and we'd be previewing tomorrow night's game against Eastern Washington.
Hey all, Griz fan here. Appreciate your insight but I think you're grasping at straws. We aren't a deep team, especially after losing multiple players throughout the season for one reason or another. Our main rotation is 7-8 players, as it is every year. That's always been how DeCuire rolls. You guys just got caught when the Griz had a solid night last night. We've been waiting for a game like that all year and our guys still almost blew it, just like they've done all year. I really thought you guys were about to have a "Anthony Johnson Game" to pay us back for a while at the end of this game.
I don't know what it is about Weber's inability to get passed the Griz lately, but I don't think it's Rahe's rotation and I certainly don't think the grind of the season wore your guys down. Especially when the Griz played four more total games than Weber did this year. Weber has fantastic athletes and they better be able to play a full 40-minute game come tournament time. I just don't buy that they were worn down.
Wish I had more insight into the why of Weber's inability to solve the Griz but I don't. Our guys just seem to get up for the games.
Best of luck to y'all next season. Weber's my second favorite team in the Big Sky by far and if the Griz aren't winning I would rather you guys win. I hope y'all get an invite to some other tourney this post-season assuming there will be others. Maybe there won't be. But it would be nice.
