can someone please explain

[FormerEag]

Why Coach B is getting backlash about not letting Adams practice with the Eags and use the facilities? I've seen a lot of garbage being spewed on social media, the dumpster fire (egrizz), and heard the around the horn ripped into coach B today.

Who on earth would let the leader of your week one opponent hang out with the team he CHOSE to leave? I'm just not getting this...

 

[EWURanger]

Who on earth would let the leader of your week one opponent hang out with the team he CHOSE to leave? I'm just not getting this...

Nobody would. It's a stupid argument, the premise of which is basically "Oregon is going to beat EWU anyway, so what's the big deal letting Vernon use the football facilities?"...or "he already knows the playbook.." All of which kind of miss the point.

I also think some people may not understand that Vernon's still free to use all the stuff that normal students can use. He just can't use the football weight room, etc. or work out with the team. Not even sure what the issue is, really. Makes total sense to me.

 

[AmericasBird]

Who on earth would let the leader of your week one opponent hang out with the team he CHOSE to leave? I'm just not getting this...

Nobody would. It's a stupid argument, the premise of which is basically "Oregon is going to beat EWU anyway, so what's the big deal letting Vernon use the football facilities?"...or "he already knows the playbook.." All of which kind of miss the point.

I also think some people may not understand that Vernon's still free to use all the stuff that normal students can use. He just can't use the football weight room, etc. or work out with the team. Not even sure what the issue is, really. Makes total sense to me.

Seems obvious to me they post with the same strategy as their team plays. Constantly going on the offensive by throwing as much stupid garbage at us as they can, like these cries about not giving Adams the privileges afforded to only team members. He's NOT on the team. They want us to spend our time and energy responding to these stupid sideshows instead of keeping our eye on the ball. Not going to work, their coaches illegal contact of a player actively on scholarship at another school is the story and the only one that should be discussed until Helfrich goes on record with how that initial contact took place.

 

[Phalanx]

Okay, I'll bite.

Ask yourselves why the players have their own special facilities and why do only they get to use them? is it because they are some kind of royalty, more entitled to everything than normal people? No, it's because they provide a service for the universities, and in exchange, they get tuition and training in the facilities dedicated to that purpose. In this case, Adams more than fulfilled his end of that agreement by playing well during the football season. Now, Coach Baldwin is threatening to rescind the University's end of the agreement based solely on a decision Adams made about what he will be doing NEXT year. It is dishonorable and petty. There are no secret playbooks and strategies being circulated in the spring. If Adams was preparing for the NFL, there wouldn't be a problem using the facilities. Coach Baldwin is acting childish and misusing his authority. I'm actually kind of curious if this is grounds for a lawsuit, although I doubt it would ever come to that. Baldwin is directly inhibiting Adams' ability to progress athletically, despite the fact that Vernon executed his responsibilities in good faith. I would be curious how the relationship between student-athlete and university is defined legally. Obviously, he shouldn't be allowed to train with the team, but use of the facilities during the spring months seems to me to be part of the contract that a university agrees to when a student-athlete signs up.

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[MLEagle]

Okay, I'll bite.

Ask yourselves why the players have their own special facilities and why do only they get to use them? is it because they are some kind of royalty, more entitled to everything than normal people? No, it's because they provide a service for the universities, and in exchange, they get tuition and training in the facilities dedicated to that purpose. In this case, Adams more than fulfilled his end of that agreement by playing well during the football season. Now, Coach Baldwin is threatening to rescind the University's end of the agreement based solely on a decision Adams made about what he will be doing NEXT year. It is dishonorable and petty. There are no secret playbooks and strategies being circulated in the spring. If Adams was preparing for the NFL, there wouldn't be a problem using the facilities. Coach Baldwin is acting childish and misusing his authority. I'm actually kind of curious if this is grounds for a lawsuit, although I doubt it would ever come to that. Baldwin is directly inhibiting Adams' ability to progress athletically, despite the fact that Vernon executed his responsibilities in good faith. I would be curious how the relationship between student-athlete and university is defined legally. Obviously, he shouldn't be allowed to train with the team, but use of the facilities during the spring months seems to me to be part of the contract that a university agrees to when a student-athlete signs up.

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for setting us straight on this issue, your Duckiing wisdom is evident :thumb:

 

[FormerEag]

Okay, I'll bite.

Ask yourselves why the players have their own special facilities and why do only they get to use them? is it because they are some kind of royalty, more entitled to everything than normal people? No, it's because they provide a service for the universities, and in exchange, they get tuition and training in the facilities dedicated to that purpose. In this case, Adams more than fulfilled his end of that agreement by playing well during the football season. Now, Coach Baldwin is threatening to rescind the University's end of the agreement based solely on a decision Adams made about what he will be doing NEXT year. It is dishonorable and petty. There are no secret playbooks and strategies being circulated in the spring. If Adams was preparing for the NFL, there wouldn't be a problem using the facilities. Coach Baldwin is acting childish and misusing his authority. I'm actually kind of curious if this is grounds for a lawsuit, although I doubt it would ever come to that. Baldwin is directly inhibiting Adams' ability to progress athletically, despite the fact that Vernon executed his responsibilities in good faith. I would be curious how the relationship between student-athlete and university is defined legally. Obviously, he shouldn't be allowed to train with the team, but use of the facilities during the spring months seems to me to be part of the contract that a university agrees to when a student-athlete signs up.

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay but take the transfer to Oregon out of the equation. Vernon, for all intents and purposes, quit the team. No other player who has quit the program at Eastern, or probably Oregon for that matter, is granted permission to use football facilities or participate in team activities. He is more than welcome to use the regural intramural facilities as the regular EWU student that he now is.

Take your highlighter yellow tinted glasses of and it makes sense.

 

[kalm]

Okay, I'll bite.

Ask yourselves why the players have their own special facilities and why do only they get to use them? is it because they are some kind of royalty, more entitled to everything than normal people? No, it's because they provide a service for the universities, and in exchange, they get tuition and training in the facilities dedicated to that purpose. In this case, Adams more than fulfilled his end of that agreement by playing well during the football season. Now, Coach Baldwin is threatening to rescind the University's end of the agreement based solely on a decision Adams made about what he will be doing NEXT year. It is dishonorable and petty. There are no secret playbooks and strategies being circulated in the spring. If Adams was preparing for the NFL, there wouldn't be a problem using the facilities. Coach Baldwin is acting childish and misusing his authority. I'm actually kind of curious if this is grounds for a lawsuit, although I doubt it would ever come to that. Baldwin is directly inhibiting Adams' ability to progress athletically, despite the fact that Vernon executed his responsibilities in good faith. I would be curious how the relationship between student-athlete and university is defined legally. Obviously, he shouldn't be allowed to train with the team, but use of the facilities during the spring months seems to me to be part of the contract that a university agrees to when a student-athlete signs up.

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You've got to be kidding me. :rofl:

1) EWU has no legal obligation whatsoever to allow players from another school to use their facilities.

2) Why would EWU want the opposing QB to improve?

Any obligations from EWU football to VA ended last Monday and that was VA's choice.

 

[GROUND&POUND]

Okay, I'll bite.

Ask yourselves why the players have their own special facilities and why do only they get to use them? is it because they are some kind of royalty, more entitled to everything than normal people? No, it's because they provide a service for the universities, and in exchange, they get tuition and training in the facilities dedicated to that purpose. In this case, Adams more than fulfilled his end of that agreement by playing well during the football season. Now, Coach Baldwin is threatening to rescind the University's end of the agreement based solely on a decision Adams made about what he will be doing NEXT year. It is dishonorable and petty. There are no secret playbooks and strategies being circulated in the spring. If Adams was preparing for the NFL, there wouldn't be a problem using the facilities. Coach Baldwin is acting childish and misusing his authority. I'm actually kind of curious if this is grounds for a lawsuit, although I doubt it would ever come to that. Baldwin is directly inhibiting Adams' ability to progress athletically, despite the fact that Vernon executed his responsibilities in good faith. I would be curious how the relationship between student-athlete and university is defined legally. Obviously, he shouldn't be allowed to train with the team, but use of the facilities during the spring months seems to me to be part of the contract that a university agrees to when a student-athlete signs up.

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Your bite was a mere nibble.

When a player quits a team to play for another, it would create a hardship on his former team to have him around. The sooner he goes the better so that the Eagles can focus on getting better and not the VA drama.

This is all part of why this situation is not likely going to work out the way the folks back home told him it would. He is at a disadvantage to compete, and will have to do a bunch of academic work just to get there.

If he can get the academic piece finished, then he'll have 4 weeks to beat out guys that have been there for a year or two. Good Luck.

Keeping fit and working on his game is the responsibility of Vernon Adams. Maybe his new ducks coaches will get him ready? Oh wait, I guess that's not going to happen based on why they are looking for a QB in the first place!

 

[clawman1]

Agreed it is really stupid expectation that a former team member should have full use of facilities.
I would liken it to if you quit your job to work at the competition but wanted to still come in to use the computers. duh!
One question though, Is the Inferno considered facilities? IF "didn't stay VA" could find someone to throw to and wanted to work out on turf rather than grass would use of the Inferno OK?

 

[marceagfan5]

Okay, I'll bite.

Ask yourselves why the players have their own special facilities and why do only they get to use them? is it because they are some kind of royalty, more entitled to everything than normal people? No, it's because they provide a service for the universities, and in exchange, they get tuition and training in the facilities dedicated to that purpose. In this case, Adams more than fulfilled his end of that agreement by playing well during the football season. Now, Coach Baldwin is threatening to rescind the University's end of the agreement based solely on a decision Adams made about what he will be doing NEXT year. It is dishonorable and petty. There are no secret playbooks and strategies being circulated in the spring. If Adams was preparing for the NFL, there wouldn't be a problem using the facilities. Coach Baldwin is acting childish and misusing his authority. I'm actually kind of curious if this is grounds for a lawsuit, although I doubt it would ever come to that. Baldwin is directly inhibiting Adams' ability to progress athletically, despite the fact that Vernon executed his responsibilities in good faith. I would be curious how the relationship between student-athlete and university is defined legally. Obviously, he shouldn't be allowed to train with the team, but use of the facilities during the spring months seems to me to be part of the contract that a university agrees to when a student-athlete signs up.

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adams is no longer a student athlete at Eastern, he is just a student…

 

[EAGinAZ]

I posted this on my Facebook page last night. thought I would share it with The Red Zone.

"Since EWU is still in the national news for not letting Vernon Adams workout with the team or in the Athletics facility, I need to express my feelings. I am getting pissed when these Ass clowns in the national media calling Baldwin a dick or its sour grapes for losing Adams. The Athletics weight room is for athletes only and as of Monday Vernon Adams is no longer an athlete at EWU. He is now a student and can work out at the very nice rec center. VA made a choice to leave the program and that choice has consequences and that is you give up your rights to athletics facilities. I am so sick of ESPN and the rest of the dumbasses obsession with the power five conferences! Their world resolves around maybe five teams in each conference and no other team matters! There are millions of fans who follow the hundreds of other schools and we are treated like second rate fans to second rate schools. Well piss off media! I hope Baldwin keeps talking and expresses his frustrations! This doesn't change the fact I want Vernon Adams to succeed at Oregon, I hope he wins the Heisman! But he shouldn't be around the EWU football team. God Bless and Go EAGS!!"

One of my friends who played at EWU and is now a HS coach brought up the liability issue. Can you imagine the uproar if VA got hurt will working out with the EWU football team? This is just another reason I hate the media and refuse to watch ESPN!

 

[EWU98]

:+1:

 

[marceagfan5]

One of my friends who played at EWU and is now a HS coach brought up the liability issue. Can you imagine the uproar if VA got hurt will working out with the EWU football team? This is just another reason I hate the media and refuse to watch ESPN!

I am surprised The liability issue hasnt gained more attention as it is definitely an issue.

 

[sammamisheag]

He's your competition in week 1. Why would you allow him to see what potential new schemes they'll be running come Sept?

Could care less what the rest of the country thinks. Just Oregon could care less what we think.

Take the $450K from week 1, hopefully no injuries and prepare the most important game in Sept, No Iowa.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Agreed it is really stupid expectation that a former team member should have full use of facilities.
I would liken it to if you quit your job to work at the competition but wanted to still come in to use the computers. duh!
One question though, Is the Inferno considered facilities? IF "didn't stay VA" could find someone to throw to and wanted to work out on turf rather than grass would use of the Inferno OK?

I believe he could use Roos Field during non-scheduled hours as it is a common-use facility. I play football with my kids on the turf in the Summer when we drive through Cheney.

Listening to Oregon bitch is just hilarious. I mean, can you imagine them hosting the Huskies or USC at their practice facilities or weight room? Such a thing would be unheard of, yet they think they have some right to have their players use our facilities.

 

[AmericasBird]

When's the media going to get Helfrich on record outlining exactly how the initial Duck contact with Adams came about. Get him on tape so it's well documented for future reference. Ask about secretly using an intermediary.

Next ask why University of Oregon denies students from using athletic training facilities, lounges, and other buildings set aside exclusively for athletes? All these things are closed to non athletes. That's what I've been told by someone who I believe knows what he's talking about. Sounds like a privately owned pro franchise in the middle of a public universities campus, with a big NO TRESPASSING sign on the outside aimed at alumni, faculty, and Oregon students. If VA was a regular student at Oregon like he is at EWU, they'd lock him out of their football facilities. They sound like a bunch of elitist assholes if you ask me.

Duck must simply be looking for our attention. We ain't buying your diversions ducks, we're going to keep asking for Helfrich's version of how the initial contact with Adams came about and get him on the record.

 

[FormerEag]

Agreed it is really stupid expectation that a former team member should have full use of facilities.
I would liken it to if you quit your job to work at the competition but wanted to still come in to use the computers. duh!
One question though, Is the Inferno considered facilities? IF "didn't stay VA" could find someone to throw to and wanted to work out on turf rather than grass would use of the Inferno OK?

I believe he could use Roos Field during non-scheduled hours as it is a common-use facility. I play football with my kids on the turf in the Summer when we drive through Cheney.

Listening to Oregon bitch is just hilarious. I mean, can you imagine them hosting the Huskies or USC at their practice facilities or weight room? Such a thing would be unheard of, yet they think they have some right to have their players use our facilities.

 

[Ewusavage]

Phalanx,

Did Oregon offer it's facilities to any of their ex-athletes when they have quit the program with eligibility remaining? VA quitting on the EWU program to transfer is no different in the scope of allowing him to use the program's facilities. Why should this situation be any different, even disregarding the fact that we play him in week 1?

 

[Ryan31088]

People love to be outraged, even when there's nothing to be outraged about.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

http://www.csnnw.com/ducks/eastern-washington-should-take-high-road-regards-vernon-adams-jr-transferring-oregon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

hno:

3. Baring Adams from use of team facilities is classless.
Baldwin made a point of saying how much he wished Adams the best, blah, blah, blah, but his actions speak louder than words.

"We're all going to keep moving on with new players and new things, he has one senior year," Baldwin said. "So with a lot of pieces that go into this, in terms of when he can get there and the timing, all that, what's he going to do for the next four months workout wise, and things like that? I mean we're not rolling out the red carpet around here for a guy that's playing against us game one. He's gonna figure out where he is gonna workout and that stuff. Those things are tough hurdles that he has to jump. But ultimately I want him to have success."

It makes absolutely perfect sense that Adams would not be allowed to workout with the EWU team during team functions. Adams throwing or working out with Eagles players during organized offseason drills while taking reps from returning quarterbacks would be pointless.

But baring him from the facilities altogether is a classless move. Baldwin points out how important the time is between now and next fall while stating that Adams can't be in the team's weight room.

Adams is still on scholarship and he played football during this school year. Therefore he should be entitled to still use the facilities as if he were an outgoing senior preparing for Pro Day and the NFL Draft.

Not allowing him to do so is the only way Baldwin can exercise action against Adams that could hurt him and he took his shot.

The stuff about Eastern Washington playing at Oregon to open the season should have no bearing. Adams knows EWU inside and out. He gains no advantage by continuing to workout at the facility.

Plus, the Ducks are going to destroy the Eagles, with or without Adams starting. So worrying about any type of competitive disadvantage created by having Adams use the facilities is nonsense.

Baldwin expressed plenty of gratitude toward Adams for all he did for the program and the coach's career. Adams has been a fantastic player at EWU, as were the quarterbacks who came before him and most likely, those to follow under Baldwin's tutelage.

But there appears to be a lack of overall honesty in the response to Adams' no-brainer decision.

If the coach cares so much about Adams' future and well being, then put pettiness aside and do what's best for the student-athlete. And while doing so, stop trying to convince yourself that what Oregon is doing is wrong.

What would be wrong is if Adams didn't have this opportunity afforded to him at all. If Baldwin could block the transfer, or if Adams were forced to sit out a year as he would be had he not been in line to graduate this spring.

That would have been wrong. It happens every year. But in this a rare instance, the player held the power, not the coach.

Adams weighed his options and chose wisely.

Everyone in Cheney should wish him well. No strings attached.

hno: