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Chisholm's departure
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VikThunder
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Makes me nervous too. I think we should start an email campaign to Wiewel to reinforce the importance of the football program to the university.
GreenGiant
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He has already abandoned the program. There will be no way to change his mind. He spoke at a service organization that I belong to earlier this year. He spoke about how as a college president the greatest schools are the ones that don't have a medical school, a law school or a football team. He said he didn't have two out of three and showed no inclination that he was opposed to getting rid of the third. If the football program is to survive, they will have to do it on their own. There must be a larger reason Chisholm is leaving, "to pursue other opportunities".
BobWoodshed
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Like Harvard, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc? The med school comment throws me for a loop too due to their increased partnering with OHSU. None of that makes any sense.
VikThunder
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BobWoodshed said:
Wiewel is a buffoon. We should be trying to model ourselves after University of Washington. Great med school, law school, great university and coincidentally a great football program.
ManOfVision
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When Wiewel arrived, he specifically said that you can't be a major university in this country without having strong athletics programs. I didn't think he believed that then, and it sounds like he's showing his true colors now.
BroadwayVik
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Intuitively, the greatest universities have professional schools (medical, law, engineering, architecture, business, education) and great football programs. Think of iconic American universities and this is very much the case.
The Harvard-Yale game is a power-fest for the elite, though, athletically, not nearly on the same level as, say, 'Bama playing Florida State. The game is held in a different context, but such Ivy League football programs are considered great nonetheless.
Consider now Stanford, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, Washington, Texas, Florida. All true. The iconically-great universities have all professional schools. WW knows this. I believe he is not speaking ignorantly, but facetiously.
I believe WW simply desires the football program be self-sufficient, so as not to be a political liability or a drag on the university's financial expansion. This carries two meanings in the form of understood directives: (1) play two money-games a year to fund the program's expenses, and (2) have the program's quality raised equal to the task of doing so. This punctuates program development into higher quality play (to attract followers) and self-sufficiency (to insulate from detractor criticism).
The Harvard-Yale game is a power-fest for the elite, though, athletically, not nearly on the same level as, say, 'Bama playing Florida State. The game is held in a different context, but such Ivy League football programs are considered great nonetheless.
Consider now Stanford, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, Washington, Texas, Florida. All true. The iconically-great universities have all professional schools. WW knows this. I believe he is not speaking ignorantly, but facetiously.
I believe WW simply desires the football program be self-sufficient, so as not to be a political liability or a drag on the university's financial expansion. This carries two meanings in the form of understood directives: (1) play two money-games a year to fund the program's expenses, and (2) have the program's quality raised equal to the task of doing so. This punctuates program development into higher quality play (to attract followers) and self-sufficiency (to insulate from detractor criticism).
Two moneybag games... will they still exist if the "Power 5" limit their exposure to non-Power 5 schools? Do those schools even make money off of what they're paying FCS schools now? Have you seen the crowds at some of these games?
Increasing the amount of scholarships at that level (both in the payouts AND, if the new level votes that way, in raw numbers)... that means the Power 5 need to play bigger games against each other, they'll grab the personnel to do it, and there will be a drop in the talent available noticeable enough to FCS schools that the big schools will really have to think twice about taking a "strength of schedule" hit.
You, everyone here, and your friends need to be buying 10 tickets for their friends and THEIR friends if you want to see Portland State escape this none-too-subtle trap.
Increasing the amount of scholarships at that level (both in the payouts AND, if the new level votes that way, in raw numbers)... that means the Power 5 need to play bigger games against each other, they'll grab the personnel to do it, and there will be a drop in the talent available noticeable enough to FCS schools that the big schools will really have to think twice about taking a "strength of schedule" hit.
You, everyone here, and your friends need to be buying 10 tickets for their friends and THEIR friends if you want to see Portland State escape this none-too-subtle trap.
goviks2 said:
The new structure can vote themselves a higher scholarship limit. Will they? It's possible there could be Power 5 schools against that, but with the conference TV money pouring in, chances are better than even they'll do that. There's certainly talk of doing so.
