From what I can remember, Coach Rahe is 1-7 in all-time championship games. This includes the BSC Championships, Gossner, Alaskan Tournament and now the CIT.. Is there any other championship game we have won or lost? Rahe just can't win the last game of tournaments, except his first one.. Maybe something needs to change to his championship game approach? He is now only 14% on the championship games.. :wall:
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Coach Rahe in Championship Games
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SWWeatherCat
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Don't know, but that was one of my first thoughts last night after the loss-- the Rahe Championship Curse continues. That was certainly a good ECU team that came to town and one that certainly got every bounce to be had, even bad calls in the last 3 minutes. I really hesitate to say it (again) but Rahe-coached teams seem a little mentally weak. Mental toughness accounts for few turnovers and higher FT percentages. Weber didn't do too bad-- especially in the 2nd half-- with turnovers, but we haven't seen team struggle that badly at the line.
Great season, though, and what a post-season ride capped off with a DEC attendance and energy I haven't seen in 20+ years. Gonna miss Bam & Mook in a big way.
Great season, though, and what a post-season ride capped off with a DEC attendance and energy I haven't seen in 20+ years. Gonna miss Bam & Mook in a big way.
You're right, he probably would have missed all 19.. Fact of the matter it, he is only 14% in winning those games.. He had two timeouts left, should have used one to let Trez and the others relax and catch their breath before shooting those FTs.. He is head coach, so it starts with him..WILDCAT said:
hawkssb04
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F**k AJ. You are right WSUfan. I think we are stuck in a unique love-hate thing with Randy Rahe right now. Sure, we could be perennial losers like Idaho State, or Randy could be like that rejectWSUfan said:
at Rutgers, losing his cool all the time. But he isn't. He's a very good coach and a good man, who brings in stellar high-character recruits and wins a ton of games. However, something does have to change. It ABSOLUTELY starts with him and he'll be the first to tell you that. And that includes free throw shooting.
Okay...lets bring back Joe Cravens or BETTER YET Larry Farmer!! I mean, stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Holy Shiz!! Come on guys...Weber is 30-7 (30 WINS), played a game in April for the first time in its legendary history and only lost last night by a last second three. YES, Weber should have won last night. YES, the Cats had complete control with 3 to go. And Yes, WEBER LOST that game. We weren't beaten, we LOST. But there is no shame in this loss. Best crowd I have seen in a decade. Awesome game and this team will be remembered forever. Stop blaming a coach that has only had 5 20+wins season in 7 years and 7 straight winning seasons. HELL MAYBE WE CAN HIRE HUSE FROM MSU!!
I'm not saying anything bad about this team or coach Rahe.. We all understand that this season was special. However, what was accomplished other than finishing 2nd three times? Regular season, post-season twice. I love coach Rahe, but something he is doing needs to change. Anyone else notice after the NAU win in the BSC tourney, the entire team was eating pizza and wings? This affects a teams performance.. Simple things like this. Heck, Cravens at least is even in BSC championship wins. He also won a trophy for the invitation in Hawaii.. I hate when people say this was the best team in history. We won 30 games yes, but no nets, no trophies or banners, heck even lost to USU and he hasn't beat BYU yet..Nothing. It was fun, but that was it. Again, 14% in championship games. All this program needs in a win or two in the Big Dance, and this program will take off. I believe Rahe is the one to take us there. The pieces are there, the community still cares.. Like Rahe said "we are going to knock down this door, it's going to come down!"
WSUfan said:
I think you bring up some good points. I think Coach Rahe has said in the past that he is sometime a little to stubborn to make in game changes when he needs to (I'm paraphasing from my memory; so I apologize if I am completely misinterpreting what he really said). I think that he is becoming a better in game coach though, and yesterday I think he made an in game change that nearly won us the game. He played the starters for almost the entire second half which I really haven't seen him do before. Mook, Richardson, and Tresnek each played about 10 min more that usual. If he didn't do that, I think ECU would have run away with the game.
Coach Rahe is an excellent coach, and he is still learning. This situation kind of reminds me of John Wooden. He coached at UCLA for 15 years before his first National Championship, and then he completely dominated. Obviously we aren't going to win a national championship, but I think is Coach Rahe stays here long enough he is going to dominate the Big Sky. I, for one, hope he retires here.
weberwildman
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Whoever compares Coach Rahe to Cravens ought to be shot!!! So... Pull ur head out buddy!!! 
after the 2003 season his teams weren't the best... Clint Uncle Fester Burris led the cats to sac states first ever win in Ogden
after the 2003 season his teams weren't the best... Clint Uncle Fester Burris led the cats to sac states first ever win in Ogden bengalhater said:Whoever compares Coach Rahe to Cravens ought to be shot!!! So... Pull ur head out buddy!!!
Haha the funny thing about Cravens, is Rahe was able to win his ONLY championship with Craven's leftovers... Now that says something... Cravens did go undefeated, beat BYU, cut the nets downs, beat Utah at Utah while national raked, be Utah at home while Utah was ranked (Eddie and Harold's senior year), brought home a trophy from the islands, got a 12 seed in the tournament and even landed a gig at a 1A girls basketball team.. :rofl:
So remember, Rahe inherited Cravens team, that ended up winning Rahe his only win..
I know Rahe is better and his winning percentage is up there, but still he sits at 14% in championships, and that's what matters.. Like I said earlier, Rahe will be the one to elevate this program..
SWWeatherCat
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wsucatfan said:
A few of you need to lighten up when someone posts a simple observation or tries to have a legitimate conversation about something not 200% positive. I didn't read (or post) anything about calling for a different coach or anything like that. Fact is, Rahe has had some great, exciting, and sucessful seasons, and he's been one h311 of a (or extremely lucky) recruiter, however, he can't seem to close the deal. Nothing wrong with discussing something like that.
As for Rahe retiring here, that seems almost laughable. He's had plenty enough success to draw the attention of more prestigious and higher paying schools, and if memory serves, he fairly recently interviewed at ?CSU. I'm a Rahe fan and hope he's around a long while to keep Weber winning but I still have some frustrations with his in-game abilities and inability to seal some deals-- nothing wrong with some healthy discussion about that either.
SWWeatherGuy said:
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that when we discuss things on this board we have to all be in agreement.
No one on this board believes that Rahe will actually retire here. I'm not even very confident he will be here next year. My point is that we can get caught up looking at the past, where Weber teams gave away big leads or got blown out in championship games, or we can look at this year and realize that Coach Rahe is getting better as a coach every year. This team was in every game that they played and only lost 7 games by a total of 34 points. Sometimes you win close games and some times you lose them, and we had our share of both this year.
People have complained about Rahe's success against higher quality teams. This year they beat Dayton, ORU x 2, UNI, and Air Force. That hasn't happened in the past. If he stays here a few more years, I also feel confident that the Big Sky tournament championships will start roling in. He is progressing improving and will be highly successful wherever he is at.
I have no problem with what WSUFan brought up. Like I said, he brought up some good points. But if you actually want to have a healthy discussion, you have to allow different ideas and points of view from your own.
Pawildcat, thanks for the discussion. I'm just trying to see why you guys think Rahe isn't winning those last games of tournaments. We all know that Rahe is a big believer in "the next game is the most important game" philosophy. However, I think that this needs to change a little bit. Personally, I think that he needs to allow one of his coaches to start preparing for the team most likely to advance, that will play WSU. Case in point this year in the BSC tourney. Start preparing for Montana as earlier as possible. I know games are back to back, but allow an assistant to start setting up a game plan for the championship after the first game. I guarantee Tinkle was spending almost 100% of his time preparing and prepping his team for WSU in the championship. How many times can he lose in a championship game before he tries something different? You can't do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. :twocents:
WSUfan said:bengalhater said:Whoever compares Coach Rahe to Cravens ought to be shot!!! So... Pull ur head out buddy!!!
Haha the funny thing about Cravens, is Rahe was able to win his ONLY championship with Craven's leftovers... Now that says something... Cravens did go undefeated, beat BYU, cut the nets downs, beat Utah at Utah while national raked, be Utah at home while Utah was ranked (Eddie and Harold's senior year), brought home a trophy from the islands, got a 12 seed in the tournament and even landed a gig at a 1A girls basketball team.. :rofl:
So remember, Rahe inherited Cravens team, that ended up winning Rahe his only win..
I know Rahe is better and his winning percentage is up there, but still he sits at 14% in championships, and that's what matters.. Like I said earlier, Rahe will be the one to elevate this program..
If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, Cravens inherited Abegglen's players right? Wasnt Boyette and the others that year recruited by Ron A? The fact that Rahe was able to do something with Cravens' recruits that Cravens himself couldnt says enough.
But anyway for the sake of a good discussion. There is one thing about Rahe that bugs me sometimes. His substitutions, there was a couple times in our game Tuesday were a player was hot, or the team was hot and he would bring someone of the bench and it would throw off our momentum and ECU made runs. Wheels for instance, I dont want to sound like a Wheels hater, but there were times he came in while we had momentum going for us and he came in and took bad shots, turned the ball over and ECU was able to get the momentum back.
I think Rahe needs to put a "leash" on Wheels next year, If he come into a game and makes a really bad decision, back to the bench he goes. Way too much selfish play by him this year.
That's my only gripe
WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:bengalhater said:Whoever compares Coach Rahe to Cravens ought to be shot!!! So... Pull ur head out buddy!!!
Haha the funny thing about Cravens, is Rahe was able to win his ONLY championship with Craven's leftovers... Now that says something... Cravens did go undefeated, beat BYU, cut the nets downs, beat Utah at Utah while national raked, be Utah at home while Utah was ranked (Eddie and Harold's senior year), brought home a trophy from the islands, got a 12 seed in the tournament and even landed a gig at a 1A girls basketball team.. :rofl:
So remember, Rahe inherited Cravens team, that ended up winning Rahe his only win..
I know Rahe is better and his winning percentage is up there, but still he sits at 14% in championships, and that's what matters.. Like I said earlier, Rahe will be the one to elevate this program..
If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, Cravens inherited Abegglen's players right?
That is correct. Cravens inherited a team that beat North Carolina the year before. I heard from a player on the 99-00 team that said, all Cravens said during games was "give the ball to Harold..."
Webergrad02
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Cravens recruited Boyette out of Hammond Indiana. He also got Hamilton out of Indiana. I think Boyette needed some JC ball to become eligible.
The cupboard was pretty bare when Rahe took over. Not sure if guys left on their own or were forced out, but I think it was a little of both. If you look at that 07 team, there was a lot of JC guys and Patten. Cravens had very little to do with the 07 Championship, other than the fact he got his goofy butt away from our program.
The cupboard was pretty bare when Rahe took over. Not sure if guys left on their own or were forced out, but I think it was a little of both. If you look at that 07 team, there was a lot of JC guys and Patten. Cravens had very little to do with the 07 Championship, other than the fact he got his goofy butt away from our program.
