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Coach Rahe in Championship Games

my observation:

there are 11 big sky teams. other than montana our other peers never play in any championship games. so i would rather have the coach that can get you to the championship game. the most valid comparison is to that of our league, not usu, byu, utah, duke...etc.

other than griz and weber, lets try and guess how many championship games during the rahe era:

ewu: 0
isu: 0
und: 0
sac: 0
suu: 0
nau: 1
unc: 1
msu: 1
psu: 2

griz something like 4-5

some of the ones wsufan listed dont really count, the gossner is not a tournament for the past 4-5 yrs. everyone just plays everyone in order. while i would love to win all our championship games and wish we did as much as anyone....i am happy to have a coach that can get us playing in them because almost none of our peers ever even get the opportunity.

:thumb:

also, boyette was a prop 48, thats why he didnt play for cravens as a fresh. i dont like to talk negative of any wsu player or coach but im going to right now lol, one might consider cravens' first season the biggest blunder in big sky history. anyone remember what those stars did their jr yr in 99 for the previous coach?
 
catcat said:
my observation:

there are 11 big sky teams. other than montana our other peers never play in any championship games. so i would rather have the coach that can get you to the championship game. the most valid comparison is to that of our league, not usu, byu, utah, duke...etc.

other than griz and weber, lets try and guess how many championship games during the rahe era:

ewu: 0
isu: 0
und: 0
sac: 0
suu: 0
nau: 1
unc: 1
msu: 1
psu: 2

griz something like 4-5

some of the ones wsufan listed dont really count, the gossner is not a tournament for the past 4-5 yrs. everyone just plays everyone in order. while i would love to win all our championship games and wish we did as much as anyone....i am happy to have a coach that can get us playing in them because almost none of our peers ever even get the opportunity.

:thumb:

also, boyette was a prop 48, thats why he didnt play for cravens as a fresh. i dont like to talk negative of any wsu player or coach but im going to right now lol, one might consider cravens' first season the biggest blunder in big sky history. anyone remember what those stars did their jr yr in 99 for the previous coach?
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This should not be a thread comparing Rahe to the big sky or Rahe vs. Cravens... How can you compare Rahe & Weber to the rest of the conference when they don't pay the salaries that Weber does, they don't have the facilities or the community support.

Rahe is expected to win Championships at Weber he has far more resources than anyone, & it's not even close.

If we joined the MWC, it would be another story, but not in the Big Sky...
 
WeberSki said:
catcat said:
my observation:

there are 11 big sky teams. other than montana our other peers never play in any championship games. so i would rather have the coach that can get you to the championship game. the most valid comparison is to that of our league, not usu, byu, utah, duke...etc.

other than griz and weber, lets try and guess how many championship games during the rahe era:

ewu: 0
isu: 0
und: 0
sac: 0
suu: 0
nau: 1
unc: 1
msu: 1
psu: 2

griz something like 4-5

some of the ones wsufan listed dont really count, the gossner is not a tournament for the past 4-5 yrs. everyone just plays everyone in order. while i would love to win all our championship games and wish we did as much as anyone....i am happy to have a coach that can get us playing in them because almost none of our peers ever even get the opportunity.

:thumb:

also, boyette was a prop 48, thats why he didnt play for cravens as a fresh. i dont like to talk negative of any wsu player or coach but im going to right now lol, one might consider cravens' first season the biggest blunder in big sky history. anyone remember what those stars did their jr yr in 99 for the previous coach?
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This should not be a thread comparing Rahe to the big sky or Rahe vs. Cravens... How can you compare Rahe & Weber to the rest of the conference when they don't pay the salaries that Weber does, they don't have the facilities or the community support.

Rahe is expected to win Championships at Weber he has far more resources than anyone, & it's not even close.

If we joined the MWC, it would be another story, but not in the Big Sky...
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That's kind of my point. Rahe raised the bar his first year and has fallen short each year following. Weber is king and needs to start showing it. We are probably the 2nd best team in this conference for too long now. Rahe is here to win championships.. Plain and simple...
 
But your assertion that he did it with Cravens talent was dead wrong. He mish mashed together a team and took them to the tourney. He can do it again and think next year is the year.
 
webergrad02 said:
But your assertion that he did it with Cravens talent was dead wrong. He mish mashed together a team and took them to the tourney. He can do it again and think next year is the year.
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that is true. he brought in 10 new players and retained 3, but the 3 retained all were good - patten mvp, henry pretty solid player, juan pablo 2nd teamer i think.
 
catcat said:
webergrad02 said:
But your assertion that he did it with Cravens talent was dead wrong. He mish mashed together a team and took them to the tourney. He can do it again and think next year is the year.
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that is true. he brought in 10 new players and retained 3, but the 3 retained all were good - patten mvp, henry pretty solid player, juan pablo 2nd teamer i think.
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This is what I meant, Those three players were huge in winning that championship. Rahe still hasn't gone to the dance with a team that he 100% recruited.. Will Rahe get it done? I believe he will... Hopefully by next year!!
 
That first year was quite incredible, given the general lack of talent. I think he may have entered the league when the overall strength was down and nobody had figured his game out yet. Now, they have all seen his sets and are more prepared for them. Also, the league is stronger now and Montana has improved right along with us.

Randy has made adjustments every year and will continue to do so. He is thinking all the time and is open to new ideas. His approach to big games will be modified, I am sure of it.

The coach who had the best approach to the big game was Ron A. He always had his teams peaking at the right time. :thumb:
 
WSUfan said:
Pawildcat, thanks for the discussion. I'm just trying to see why you guys think Rahe isn't winning those last games of tournaments. We all know that Rahe is a big believer in "the next game is the most important game" philosophy. However, I think that this needs to change a little bit. Personally, I think that he needs to allow one of his coaches to start preparing for the team most likely to advance, that will play WSU. Case in point this year in the BSC tourney. Start preparing for Montana as earlier as possible. I know games are back to back, but allow an assistant to start setting up a game plan for the championship after the first game. I guarantee Tinkle was spending almost 100% of his time preparing and prepping his team for WSU in the championship. How many times can he lose in a championship game before he tries something different? You can't do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. :twocents:
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Do you know that Rahe doesn't already do that? I mean, the way he talks one would assume he doesn't but that seems like something you would almost have to do in this day and age of competitive sport, and especially with the format of the tournament this year. Looking from a different angle, though, the players couldn't really prepare any sooner or they could risk stumbling before they get there. Maybe that's what happened with the UND game ;-) .
 
We are within a fraction of an inch of pushing this thing over the top. One, seemingly insignificant, thing could be huge in taking that next step. I believe that Randy and his staff will find that thing and that we won't be talking about it next year. Every year we have improved in one or more aspects of the game. This coming year will be the same. On the negative side of this is when they make that next step, it will be harder to hang on to them. Larger programs will take note, as well.

Those free throw shooting problems we had in the championship games were not for lack of FT shooting ability. I believe that it relates more to frame of mind and confidence. This is not unlike test anxiety. There are ways to overcome this kind of approach anxiety. I think that we will get it done. :thumb: :coffee:
 
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