Dave Rose stepping down

[SWeberCat02]

Even after signing a contract extension prior to the season. Randy Rahe, do the right thing and follow Rose's lead. The program deserves more than it's getting from you.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900062369/byu-mens-basketball-coach-dave-rose-to-hold-press-conference-tuesday-afternoon.html

 

[oldrunner]

Sounds like the boosters and fans drove him out. I predict that BYU will suck for a decade or more now. Rose is the best coach they have ever had.

 

[WSUfan1]

Sounds like the boosters and fans drove him out. I predict that BYU will suck for a decade or more now. Rose is the best coach they have ever had.

This is the problem when you're closed minded. True, best coach they have ever had up to this point in time. A new coach has the potential to be better than Rose. And with time, someone will come in and out do him. Just because he has had success in the past, doesn't mean he is entitled to coaching till he's dead. Should BYU just accept being 3rd place every year? Just because he is stepping down, does not mean they will suck next year, I predict we will still lose down there next year. New coach, same results when play down there. Look olds, have you paid any attention to Logan this year? Sometimes a new coach, new blood, and new direction is good and healthy. I hope you enjoy your 20 season tickets worth when we play Jokes University and terrible teams. Enjoy a coach who cant coach, and continues to blame others and players for his shortcomings. Rahe needs to step down or be fired.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Here is the problem with BYU. Their fan base thinks they are national contenders and are on the same level as Notre Dame or another P5. When Jimmer was at the Y, so many of their fans were predicting a national championship. When they got bounced in the round of 16, there was a lot of grumbling and gnashing of teeth in Provo. This same attitude pushed out Bronco. Now he is at Virginia and doing really well. But, the fact of the matter is that BYU fans and boosters have an unrealistic attitude and hope for their athletics; especially football and mens basketball. This dream fantasy has led to another good coach leaving. This season, Rose really shouldn't have let Emery come back. His selfishness hurt the program, department and school, which I don't care about one bit and was happy to see the sanctimonious hypocrites humbled Nephite style. Yet, it was a move that hurt his team. Regardless, even with it being one of his (Rose) worst seasons, the Cougars still won 19 games. A definition of insanity is expecting something more when you are already getting the best.

I don't see Dave moving on to another school, this is it. And, frankly, I think he has earned the right to retire. He is the winningest and most successful coach in BYU history, with a .722% winning percentage. The bar is pretty damn high for his replacement.

Who replaces Rose? My money is on Pope...he needs to get out of UVU before the NCAA comes knocking on his door. There are reasons why the UVU AD quit (fired) unexpectedly. But, it is the job he wants and, even though he is a total drip of a person, will get. BYU doesn't care about ethics and virtues. Only someone who will do whatever it takes to get Ws.

 

[oldrunner]

Sounds like the boosters and fans drove him out. I predict that BYU will suck for a decade or more now. Rose is the best coach they have ever had.

This is the problem when you're closed minded. True, best coach they have ever had up to this point in time. A new coach has the potential to be better than Rose. And with time, someone will come in and out do him. Just because he has had success in the past, doesn't mean he is entitled to coaching till he's dead. Should BYU just accept being 3rd place every year? Just because he is stepping down, does not mean they will suck next year, I predict we will still lose down there next year. New coach, same results when play down there. Look olds, have you paid any attention to Logan this year? Sometimes a new coach, new blood, and new direction is good and healthy. I hope you enjoy your 20 season tickets worth when we play Jokes University and terrible teams. Enjoy a coach who cant coach, and continues to blame others and players for his shortcomings. Rahe needs to step down or be fired.

Call me crazy, but I thought this thread was about Dave Rose. You really have a one track sort of mind. :wall:

 

[WSUfan1]

Sounds like the boosters and fans drove him out. I predict that BYU will suck for a decade or more now. Rose is the best coach they have ever had.

This is the problem when you're closed minded. True, best coach they have ever had up to this point in time. A new coach has the potential to be better than Rose. And with time, someone will come in and out do him. Just because he has had success in the past, doesn't mean he is entitled to coaching till he's dead. Should BYU just accept being 3rd place every year? Just because he is stepping down, does not mean they will suck next year, I predict we will still lose down there next year. New coach, same results when play down there. Look olds, have you paid any attention to Logan this year? Sometimes a new coach, new blood, and new direction is good and healthy. I hope you enjoy your 20 season tickets worth when we play Jokes University and terrible teams. Enjoy a coach who cant coach, and continues to blame others and players for his shortcomings. Rahe needs to step down or be fired.

Call me crazy, but I thought this thread was about Dave Rose. You really have a one track sort of mind. :wall:

Technically, this thread should be in the "other" forum. Im trying to keep it WSU related.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Actually if you read my post that started this thread you'd see that to me it absolutely should be about Rahe as well. Everyone else is seeing that these long time coaches (Rose, Krisco) are no longer effective, make way too much money for the results they are producing, and need to call it quits. But for some reason no one at Weber sees that the same thing is happening here. And the two programs in the state (USU and UVU) that realized this sooner are now enjoying success with younger, more charismatic and more motivated coaches.

 

[WSUfan1]

Actually if you read my post that started this thread you'd see that to me it absolutely should be about Rahe as well. Everyone else is seeing that these long time coaches (Rose, Krisco) are no longer effective, make way too much money for the results they are producing, and need to call it quits. But for some reason no one at Weber sees that the same thing is happening here. And the two programs in the state (USU and UVU) that realized this sooner are now enjoying success with younger, more charismatic and more motivated coaches.

This^^^

I have said this countless times. We are screwed. We are lagging behind in nearly all aspects of mens sports. Thank heaven for Hill, as FB might be our saving grace one day. For the zillionth time. In the past 15 years:

*their conference end of season rpi ranking included*

UofU: WAC>MWC>PAC-12 (conference of champions :lol: *7
BYU: WAC>MWC>INDY/WCC *8
USU :Big West>WAC>MWC *16
SUU: Great West>Big Sky *23
UVU: D2>D1>INDY>Great West>WAC *15
DSU: JUCO>D2>D1>INDY *N/A

WSU: idle and dying in the Big Sky. Look at how all the other schools have been proactive to increase their marketability and attractiveness. We have been in the same dumb conference since 1963. So we haven't tried to increase our brand or do anything in 56 years!!!!! This is absolute crazy. All those other in-state schools have done all that within a 15 year window, and all we have to show for it is nothing. This is disturbing. There is a reason that we are falling behind in all aspects of football and basketball. Please, get us out of this dying dumpy conference. 56 years is plenty long to be loyal to. #justweber

 

[oldrunner]

:lol: Wow. You guys have gone off the deep end. Maybe you two should get together for a little fondling. :roll:

 

[UtahPirate]

Oldrunner, are you coming out of avoiding this board retirement? Can't say I mind as you instantly stir up some debate and posts. Even the one note drum-beat ones.

Here's what is so odd. Rose just gets signed to a pretty good extension and then looks like he makes a personal decision to call it quits (obviously from fan pressure, and Tal you are right about Y fans). But what is the deal with these ridiculous extensions? And why are schools so anxious to offer them? No school should be putting together 5 to 8 year deals with any of their coaches. I think it takes away an I've-got-to-prove-myself competitive edge. And, except in rare occasions, I don't think you assume good coaching this year should be so richly rewarded with a contract that means you're going to get good coaching so far into the future. There are too many variables to make that assumption.

Those Lone Peak kids cost Rose. And Emery was not only a disaster as a player, but a huge black-eye at a school that does try on some level to raise the bar. No way you take that kid back after the NCAA investigation. But, out of high school, all three thought they were much better than they have ended up. And their supposed "star-power" was more arrogance than substance.

Rose gone, Coach Ktastropy at the U with millions still to pocket. The Aggies got about as good of seeding as you could want and kind of crapped their pants. And I won't throw Rahe a bone either as for the first time in years I found myself home on game nights at the end of the season not caring to be at the Dee. Don't look now, but only SUU is feeling good about themselves (part of that thanks to beating us twice). Yuck! What a disaster year for a state with such a proud basketball history. Just got my MLBtv subscription to help make this all go away ...

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Olds,

I guess you don't have anything to dispute SW02 or WSUFan's claims, just a childish remark? They both seem to make valid points from my perspective. I wish #JustWeber was reaching for more, trying to become much more entertaining, competitive and demanding the interest and support instead of hemorrhaging fans and interest as they have been for several years. Good grief! In addition to Weber being about the 5th or 6th most cared about or competitive program in the state, they are typically in a 3-way fight for 2nd best in the BSC. That's a sad state to be in with Weber's history, resources, and location. With Stew gone it's been easy to warm up to and even root for the Aggies; it's a more attractive program and better basketball. I can imagine thinking the same about a Pope-led BYU program. Weber State basketball is in an ugly place right now and it's real easy to equate Rahe=Morrill=Rose as a common factor. There's more than just coaching for me but it does seem to be a big part of a decaying program.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I have a friend who went to Idaho State and loves ISU athletics. The biggest thing for him this year was beating Weber the last week of the season up there. That was his super bowl. Anyway, on occasion he visits our board. He rarely posts, but asked me why we are so down on Rahe. I prefaced my statement with my normal, "Randy is a good coach and has done some great things here at Weber State" comment. Before I could say anything else, he said "but" and then I went into my normal reasons why Randy is under-performing or has reached his ceiling: Salary, financial resources, facilities, talent and access to talent, fan base, booster club, alumni, legacy and history, etc etc etc. He stopped me at the end and looked squarely at me and said, "dude, it could be worse. You could be ISU or NAU, or PSU and never win anything. At least you get to go dancing and experience success." To me that put it in prospective. I know we are all tired of Randy Rahe Basketball (I'm not tired of who he is as a person and a man. We should be proud of his character) and have just experienced back to back seasons of frustration (end of season melt-downs), but at the end of the day, we are still competing. He did agree with me that we had a right to demand more from Rahe; especially since he was granted an 8 year deal and is making 200K more than any other Big Sky coach. But, we are spoiled and have it pretty good. With Randy we always know we will be at the top of the league and competitive. Also, there is no way in HELL, Weber is going to fire Randy and he isn't getting hired by anyone else. Lets hope for the best while preparing for the worst.

 

[oldrunner]

Olds,

I guess you don't have anything to dispute SW02 or WSUFan's claims, just a childish remark? They both seem to make valid points from my perspective. I wish #JustWeber was reaching for more, trying to become much more entertaining, competitive and demanding the interest and support instead of hemorrhaging fans and interest as they have been for several years. Good grief! In addition to Weber being about the 5th or 6th most cared about or competitive program in the state, they are typically in a 3-way fight for 2nd best in the BSC. That's a sad state to be in with Weber's history, resources, and location. With Stew gone it's been easy to warm up to and even root for the Aggies; it's a more attractive program and better basketball. I can imagine thinking the same about a Pope-led BYU program. Weber State basketball is in an ugly place right now and it's real easy to equate Rahe=Morrill=Rose as a common factor. There's more than just coaching for me but it does seem to be a big part of a decaying program.

My frustration is with anybody calling for anybody's head when they are only seeing the finish and none of the substance beneath it. They see the successes and the failures and are drawing conclusions about the substance that led up to it. I understand the frustration, I'm frustrated as well, the coaches and players are frustrated. That's how athletic competition is. However, it is not right to call for someone's head having only about one tenth of the knowledge needed.

Maybe BYU will hire the next John Wooden and all the Zoobies will be happy. Chances are better that they will go through a few mediocre coaching staffs before they find the next Dave Rose. Same thing is most likely to happen at ISU and MSU. USU got really lucky. It will be interesting to hear all of the monkey chatter when he has a few poor years. :wall: :wall:

 

[SWeberCat02]

But what is the deal with these ridiculous extensions? And why are schools so anxious to offer them? No school should be putting together 5 to 8 year deals with any of their coaches. I think it takes away an I've-got-to-prove-myself competitive edge. And, except in rare occasions, I don't think you assume good coaching this year should be so richly rewarded with a contract that means you're going to get good coaching so far into the future. There are too many variables to make that assumption.

Couldn't agree more

 

[WSUfan1]

I have a friend who went to Idaho State and loves ISU athletics. The biggest thing for him this year was beating Weber the last week of the season up there. That was his super bowl. Anyway, on occasion he visits our board. He rarely posts, but asked me why we are so down on Rahe. I prefaced my statement with my normal, "Randy is a good coach and has done some great things here at Weber State" comment. Before I could say anything else, he said "but" and then I went into my normal reasons why Randy is under-performing or has reached his ceiling: Salary, financial resources, facilities, talent and access to talent, fan base, booster club, alumni, legacy and history, etc etc etc. He stopped me at the end and looked squarely at me and said, "dude, it could be worse. You could be ISU or NAU, or PSU and never win anything. At least you get to go dancing and experience success." To me that put it in prospective. I know we are all tired of Randy Rahe Basketball (I'm not tired of who he is as a person and a man. We should be proud of his character) and have just experienced back to back seasons of frustration (end of season melt-downs), but at the end of the day, we are still competing. He did agree with me that we had a right to demand more from Rahe; especially since he was granted an 8 year deal and is making 200K more than any other Big Sky coach. But, we are spoiled and have it pretty good. With Randy we always know we will be at the top of the league and competitive. Also, there is no way in HELL, Weber is going to fire Randy and he isn't getting hired by anyone else. Lets hope for the best while preparing for the worst.

Tal, I respect the heck out of you, but why you just said is pure madness. Basically, you’re justifying our coach and program based on comparing us to teams like ISU, PSU, Suc St. ect. This is the problem with our coach’s, fans, and administrators. We need to be compared to better teams, even times to the south and north of us. We might be enjoying some success against sub 300+ teams, but overall, we suck.

 

[weberwildcat]

rose:
i liked rose and he was a good coach. he got them their only ncaa tourney win since 1993 when he had jimmer. he did great against the instate schools. its been many yrs and you sort of know what a coach is capable after that long. byu cant compete with the top 2 in the wcc and the rest are big sky teams. an average coach in provo can take care of majority of the wcc. i think it was time to make a change for them. i dont see why they should start bakering with rose leaving. their fans have reason to be optimistic, as others said look to usu.

rahe:
i like rahe and he was a good coach. he should have got us our only ncaa tourney win since 1999 when he had dame. he didn't do great against the instate schools. its been many yrs and you sort of know what a coach is capable after that long. weber cant compete with the griz and the rest are wcc teams. an average coach in ogden can take care of majority of the sky. what is to be expected until 2024? i dont see why we should start bakering when rahe leaves. the fans would have reason to be optimistic, as others said look to usu.

travis:
like usu, look at the griz. did they take a dive when tinkle took off? no, they have upgraded. travis was unknown, 0 yrs previous as a d1 head coach. he now has 3 big sky titles in his 5 seasons including back-to-back ncaa tourneys. is it true he has already turned down washington st and boise st? that makes me assume he will stay. he is a griz alum. i would be feeling great right now as griz fan. on a side note, travis spent 8 seasons as an assistant to mike montgomery at cal. stew did the same under montgomery in missoula also for 8 yrs, but this was 30 yrs apart. stew (utah pirate's idol) recruited travis to play for the griz back in the day.

are the coaching changes at the other sky schools worth discussing? :-D

 

[UtahPirate]

I have said this countless times. We are screwed. We are lagging behind in nearly all aspects of mens sports. Thank heaven for Hill, as FB might be our saving grace one day. For the zillionth time. In the past 15 years:

*their conference end of season rpi ranking included*

UofU: WAC>MWC>PAC-12 (conference of champions :lol: *7
BYU: WAC>MWC>INDY/WCC *8
USU :Big West>WAC>MWC *16
SUU: Great West>Big Sky *23
UVU: D2>D1>INDY>Great West>WAC *15
DSU: JUCO>D2>D1>INDY *N/A

WSU: idle and dying in the Big Sky. Look at how all the other schools have been proactive to increase their marketability and attractiveness. We have been in the same dumb conference since 1963. So we haven't tried to increase our brand or do anything in 56 years!!!!! This is absolute crazy. All those other in-state schools have done all that within a 15 year window, and all we have to show for it is nothing. This is disturbing. There is a reason that we are falling behind in all aspects of football and basketball. Please, get us out of this dying dumpy conference. 56 years is plenty long to be loyal to. #justweber

I've thought a lot about this post the past two days. One aspect you didn't hit was the Sky itself is dying. We are going down with a sinking ship. I laughed at that guy from North Dakota's post a couple of years ago when he starting talking about a new league. But I'm not laughing anymore. There was a follow-up post this year that made a ton of sense (I couldn't find it or I would have reprinted it).

Looking at what schools have done (USU in particular), their programs have upgraded as they moved up to better leagues (the Y is the obvious exception). It is past time that we do something significant when it comes to conference affiliation. I am sure the better schools in the Sky feel the same way.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

Dick Harmon is reporting that UVU's Mark Pope will be the next coach in Provo. Like this is surprising. Does open a job at UVU. Could Eric Duft potentially be a replacement for Pope? My money is on Quincy Lewis getting the UVU job, but it would be nice spot for Duft.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Dick Harmon is reporting that UVU's Mark Pope will be the next coach in Provo. Like this is surprising. Does open a job at UVU. Could Eric Duft potentially be a replacement for Pope? My money is on Quincy Lewis getting the UVU job, but it would be nice spot for Duft.

Eric Duft has never been reported as being a top candidate for an open position anywhere. I doubt that trend changes with UVU. Right now Cody Fueger has been named interim HC in Orem. There are a number of Wolverines who are hoping the Burgess is named the next HC, but I have my doubts that he stays at UVU. He will probably follow Pope to BYU (or already has, since he isn't the interim HC). Frankly, I don't know how Pope is going to survive at BYU, since his pipeline has become his home. Most of his talent originally came from BYU and followed him to UVU. Now what does he do?

 

[sasquatch]

This year UVU "only" had 5 D1 transfers (including BYU guys). Last year he had 8 on the roster. I don' t see that kind of style working for BYU. They need to keep Lewis on staff for his in-state HS recruiting. If he goes to UVU or elsewhere, I don't see BYU making any immediate strides under Pope.