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Defensive Coordinator

sammamisheag said:
So Graham has forgotten how to coach defense? Seemed liked he did ok in 2010.

Fact is EWU was decimated with injuries in spring, had to play undersized DLs and they have no speed at LB.

To take a page a page from Aaron Rogers "R....E....L.....A.......X"

EWU remains a Top 10 program, yes recruiting needs to improve on defense, but be careful what you ask for.

Look at Montana, they haven't sniffer the semis in a while.
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Tired mantra Orphan Annie... 2010 still had how many starters that came out of a different system and coaching staff? Since that group left, would it be accurate to say that the defense has been less effective? This isn't just about ONE game against a talented opponent. The FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) you use is for OLD men, not making decisions about who should lead this team. I know 30 HS coaches who would outperform Graham's results after one week on the field with our talent. Nothing wrong with our talent. I get it this is your opinion just isn't based on facts IMO. Not calling for Graham's head, but not looking forward to another year and the possible impact on the overall team chemistry as the offense players wake up to the fact that they have to play perfectly every week to achieve winning results. Not sure why Graham fell back to his standard coaching effort in this contest; but believe he doesn't really think changes in his philosophy are necessary. Perhaps, we should all relax and let this play out; don't think that means we should put rational thought in a closet and chirp BS about how it will be alright.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498[/youtube]
 
luckyintheorder said:
sammamisheag said:
So Graham has forgotten how to coach defense? Seemed liked he did ok in 2010.

Fact is EWU was decimated with injuries in spring, had to play undersized DLs and they have no speed at LB.

To take a page a page from Aaron Rogers "R....E....L.....A.......X"

EWU remains a Top 10 program, yes recruiting needs to improve on defense, but be careful what you ask for.

Look at Montana, they haven't sniffer the semis in a while.
Click to expand...

Tired mantra Orphan Annie... 2010 still had how many starters that came out of a different system and coaching staff? Since that group left, would it be accurate to say that the defense has been less effective? This isn't just about ONE game against a talented opponent. The FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) you use is for OLD men, not making decisions about who should lead this team. I know 30 HS coaches who would outperform Graham's results after one week on the field with our talent. Nothing wrong with our talent. I get it this is your opinion just isn't based on facts IMO. Not calling for Graham's head, but not looking forward to another year and the possible impact on the overall team chemistry as the offense players wake up to the fact that they have to play perfectly every week to achieve winning results. Not sure why Graham fell back to his standard coaching effort in this contest; but believe he doesn't really think changes in his philosophy are necessary. Perhaps, we should all relax and let this play out; don't think that means we should put rational thought in a closet and chirp BS about how it will be alright.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498[/youtube]
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The crack pipe...you need to put it down.
 
sammamisheag said:
So Graham has forgotten how to coach defense? Seemed liked he did ok in 2010.

Fact is EWU was decimated with injuries in spring, had to play undersized DLs and they have no speed at LB.

To take a page a page from Aaron Rogers "R....E....L.....A.......X"

EWU remains a Top 10 program, yes recruiting needs to improve on defense, but be careful what you ask for.

Look at Montana, they haven't sniffer the semis in a while.
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:nod:
 
EWU needs more speed at LB plain and simple. Go back and watch the 2010 team, big difference at LB in terms of athleticism. Now that is on the staff on terms of recruiting better athletes in the front 7.

Granted offenses are getting more dynamic with the read option. Coach BB and his staff know this.

Other problem yesterday were the turnovers. Granted the defense was awful but when playing in a game where you knew going in you had to score 40+ to win, you can't give away possessions.
 
sammamisheag said:
EWU needs more speed at LB plain and simple. Go back and watch the 2010 team, big difference at LB in terms of athleticism. Now that is on the staff on terms of recruiting better athletes in the front 7.

Granted offenses are getting more dynamic with the read option. Coach BB and his staff know this.

Other problem yesterday were the turnovers. Granted the defense was awful but when playing in a game where you knew going in you had to score 40+ to win, you can't give away possessions.
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:nod:

It also helps when you don't have to rotate in 19 year old kids who still have baby fat against 340 lb 23 year old o lineman.
 
I think the entire rythm of the game just went their way from the beginning of the game and the one early TO kind of set the tone for the entire game. If we had not been forced to play catchup for most of the game and were able to utilize our running game those late picks probably never happen.

As for our LB's, I agree that we could use a little more speed there, but players like Sherritt and Zach Johnson don't exactly grow on trees and there's a fine line between recruiting players that can cover in space (which you need in the Big Sky to defend the pass) and having guys that can play close to the line of scrimmage to be able to stop the run. It's rare that you get guys at our level that have that kind of speed and athleticism. Not saying we don't have any at all on our team, but you know what I mean.

Our defense was not great this year and it shouldn't be a huge surprise that we had 50+ points scored on us (happened 4 other times). But put things in context a little...we lost our best pass rusher before the season even began. We lost three other players before the beginning of the year or early in the year who probably would have started at CB and ended up with two of the three guys that saw the most playing time there being Freshman. We had anywhere from 6 or 7 Freshman playing on the defensive line. That is a LOT to overcome.

People will point to the offense and guys like VA and Kupp and cite that as a reason for why we should have done better this year than we did, but we probably over-achieved relative to how much rebuilding we had to do on defense. This really could of have been thought of as a rebuilding year, but we won another conference title and made it to the quarters. I'll take that. The defense will be bigger, deeper, and more experienced next year as these young guys got to play in 14 games this year and I'm excited to see what some of these young guys like Kreifels, Gall, etc. can do. I do think we need to be on the lookout for a decent transfer at DT that is a good fit for our program, and maybe a LB, but overall I think the D will be better next year and of course VA and company will do their thing.
 
sammamisheag said:
So Graham has forgotten how to coach defense? Seemed liked he did ok in 2010.

Fact is EWU was decimated with injuries in spring, had to play undersized DLs and they have no speed at LB.

To take a page a page from Aaron Rogers "R....E....L.....A.......X"

EWU remains a Top 10 program, yes recruiting needs to improve on defense, but be careful what you ask for.

Look at Montana, they haven't sniffer the semis in a while.
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I agree with the "be careful what you wish for" mantra, but when you give up 59 points in a playoff game and have zero stops on defense, it's tough to do worse than that. People keep bringing up 2010, but that keeps getting farther and farther in the past and the last 4 years seem more like the norm and 2010 seems like the outlier. And even then, the 2010 defense's best attribute was forcing turnovers. I believe they led the nation in turnovers that year with over 50 on the season and that's something that is extremely difficult to replicate (the last 4 years EWU hasn't come close to getting that many TO's) and cannot be counted on.
 
EWURanger said:
I think the entire rythm of the game just went their way from the beginning of the game and the one early TO kind of set the tone for the entire game. If we had not been forced to play catchup for most of the game and utilize our running game those late picks probably never happen.

As for our LB's, I agree that we could use a little more speed there, but players like Sherritt and Zach Johnson don't exactly grow on trees and there's a fine line between recruiting players that can cover in space (which you need in the Big Sky to defend the pass) and having guys that can play close to the line of scrimmage to be able to stop the run. It's rare that you get guys at our level that have that kind of speed and athleticism. Not saying we don't have any at all on our team, but you know what I mean.

Our defense was not great this year and it shouldn't be a huge surprise that we had 50+ points scored on us (happened 4 other times). But put things in context a little...we lost our best pass rusher before the season even began. We lost three other players before the beginning of the year or early in the year who probably would have started at CB and ended up with two of the three guys that saw the most playing time there being Freshman. We had anywhere from 6 or 7 Freshman playing on the defensive line. That is a LOT to overcome.

People will point to the offense and guys like VA and Kupp and cite that as a reason for why we should have done better this year than we did, but we probably over-achieved relative to how much rebuilding we had to do on defense. This really could of have been thought of as a rebuilding year, but we won another comference title and made it to the quarters. I'll take that. The defense will be bigger, deeper, and more experienced next year as these young guys got to play in 14 games this year and I'm excited to see what some of these young guys like Kreifels, Gall, etc. can do. I do think we need to be on the lookout for a decent transfer at DT that is a good fit for our program, and maybe a LB, but overall I think the D will be better next year and of course VA and company will do their thing.
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:clap:
 
At least we beat them in one aspect of special team play...Miller averaged 45 yards per punt and ISU's punter averaged zero...ha, loser.
 
Obzerver said:
At least we beat them in one aspect of special team play...Miller averaged 45 yards per punt and ISU's punter averaged zero...ha, loser.
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:lol:

It reminded me of the 2013 MSU game where we scored on every posession.
 
EWURanger said:
I think the entire rythm of the game just went their way from the beginning of the game and the one early TO kind of set the tone for the entire game. If we had not been forced to play catchup for most of the game and utilize our running game those late picks probably never happen.

As for our LB's, I agree that we could use a little more speed there, but players like Sherritt and Zach Johnson don't exactly grow on trees and there's a fine line between recruiting players that can cover in space (which you need in the Big Sky to defend the pass) and having guys that can play close to the line of scrimmage to be able to stop the run. It's rare that you get guys at our level that have that kind of speed and athleticism. Not saying we don't have any at all on our team, but you know what I mean.

Our defense was not great this year and it shouldn't be a huge surprise that we had 50+ points scored on us (happened 4 other times). But put things in context a little...we lost our best pass rusher before the season even began. We lost three other players before the beginning of the year or early in the year who probably would have started at CB and ended up with two of the three guys that saw the most playing time there being Freshman. We had anywhere from 6 or 7 Freshman playing on the defensive line. That is a LOT to overcome.

People will point to the offense and guys like VA and Kupp and cite that as a reason for why we should have done better this year than we did, but we probably over-achieved relative to how much rebuilding we had to do on defense. This really could of have been thought of as a rebuilding year, but we won another conference title and made it to the quarters. I'll take that. The defense will be bigger, deeper, and more experienced next year as these young guys got to play in 14 games this year and I'm excited to see what some of these young guys like Kreifels, Gall, etc. can do. I do think we need to be on the lookout for a decent transfer at DT that is a good fit for our program, and maybe a LB, but overall I think the D will be better next year and of course VA and company will do their thing.
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While all those things are true, our D has consistently been mediocre. This year wasn't just an anomaly.
 
JPN17 said:
sammamisheag said:
So Graham has forgotten how to coach defense? Seemed liked he did ok in 2010.

Fact is EWU was decimated with injuries in spring, had to play undersized DLs and they have no speed at LB.

To take a page a page from Aaron Rogers "R....E....L.....A.......X"

EWU remains a Top 10 program, yes recruiting needs to improve on defense, but be careful what you ask for.

Look at Montana, they haven't sniffer the semis in a while.
Click to expand...

I agree with the "be careful what you wish for" mantra, but when you give up 59 points in a playoff game and have zero stops on defense, it's tough to do worse than that. People keep bringing up 2010, but that keeps getting farther and farther in the past and the last 4 years seem more like the norm and 2010 seems like the outlier. And even then, the 2010 defense's best attribute was forcing turnovers. I believe they led the nation in turnovers that year with over 50 on the season and that's something that is extremely difficult to replicate (the last 4 years EWU hasn't come close to getting that many TO's) and cannot be counted on.
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You hit the nail on the head here. 2010 was the exception and not the norm. People need to stop referencing it because it is ancient history at this juncture.
 
I also like the "So Graham forgot to coach since 2010?" excuse. Did Harbaugh forget how to coach since last season? NFL obviously has a shorter leash than FCS, but sometimes people just need to move on.
 
EWUeag said:
I also like the "So Graham forgot to coach since 2010?" excuse. Did Harbaugh forget how to coach since last season? NFL obviously has a shorter leash than FCS, but sometimes people just need to move on.
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Agree! After all those were Jody Sears recruits. :lol:

Hey,maybe we cod hire Breske now that he's available. :lol:

(Let's see if you guys are smart enough to get these hints. I'm rooting for ya! :thumb: )
 
Gave this a lot of thought, and I'm with the replace our DC crowd. How bad does it need to get before we replace him? We are on a clear downword spiral. Since 2010, every year we have allowed more points, yards, etc per game. Next year appears to get worse as we replace a lot of our defensive stars.

:twocents:
 
Just a simple thought. You put 46 points on the tremendous defense of the MVC.
Your defense could have been better, but you lost by 2 scores after 3 turnovers, thus changing time of possession.
I forget the fumble, however the two int's were poor throws. VA seemed off all day yesterday and even Kupp dropped a couple uncharacteristic of his performance level.
Just saying it didn't look all on defense.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/scores/final/boxscore.aspx?GAMEID=46406" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look at stats and they show yards per play were in your advantage against the vaunted MVC.
Also not saying ISU didn't deserve the win, but the difference was turnovers.
 
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