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Developing Players

Beardown

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Anyone else notice how the players are NOT developing better skills under B.J Hill? Take for example Tad Boyle and how he developed players like Will Figures, Devon Beitzel, Neal Kingman. All three of those players got better under Boyle. He coached them up.
Now look at players like Tevon Svihovec, Tim Huskisson. I'm not looking up stats, and maybe I'm totally off, but those two men have seemed to take a step back in their game. Especially Svihovec. If he wants to be a legit D1 guard, he's got to make those two free-throws late in the game (against UND).

Just one more reason to get rid of Hill. :twocents: :twocents:
 
I had this exact same conversation with my friends yesterday. The best way to gauge how good a college coach is is dependent on how individual players improve year-to-year. And you're right, a lot of these guys haven't had the same improvement that we were accustomed to seeing under the Boyle years. I will, however, say that there is still time though for a lot of these guys to take that next step,. This off-season will be huge for individual development from these players. If we don't see guys make a jump in their junior and senior seasons, there will be a lot of questions abound of what is really going on here?

I will also say though, while this season (and last) has been frustrating, we can't just go ahead and fire Coach Hill. As much as we all love UNC, we have to be honest with ourselves here. We don't have deep pockets within the athletic department, we are the third biggest public school in the state and miles behind CU and CSU in terms of facilities of funds. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's just what the situation is, it's who we are.

So we can't afford to just fire coaches for a poor season or two. We don't have the means to do so. And if we did, who do we hire? This school isn't exactly a "destination" job for many to be honest. It is my personal view that at this level, coaches should be given a 4-5 year grace period after taking the job. That means that they have at least one of their own recruiting classes go through the program through graduation. I also think that same "grace period" needs to be extended a season in this case because Hill DID lead us to the conference crown in his first year even though many are quick to point out that it was Boyle who set the table for him. Which leads me to my next point....

While Boyle deserves all the credit in the world for the job he did here, literally building a division I program from scratch and leading them to the brink of the Big Dance, we can't forget Hill played a significant role in that process too. While there is a distinct difference in "Head Coach" and "assistant coach", Hill was the right-hand man and behind-the-scenes guy for many of those seasons while this program worked its way up the ranks, recruiting many of the players that led this team to success... Many head coaches will tell you, they are only as good as their entire coaching staff and this was very much the case here.

And my final point (if anyone is still reading)....

If many of you are doubting if Hill is head coaching material (and I completely understand it if you do, it's human nature), just remember that when Boyle took the job at CU, he told the administration here at UNC that if they don't name B.J. the head coach, he was going to take him to Boulder as his lead assistant. If a this-guy-needs-to-be-the-head-coach-here endorsement from "The Godfather of UNC Hoops" isn't good enough, then what is?
 
So what's the problem this season? Expectations were that we finish 3rd, behind Weber and Montana. Both coaches and media voted that way and I believed they were correct.

basketball in general has become a "me first" attitude, and these players are not listening to Hill. They've lost respect for him. Boyle didn't let that happen.
 
I agree. Also with Boyle he took guys who had no business even playing college basketball and turned them into something serviceable and the guy I think of is (and I know I'm not spelling this right) Thanasi Pangalotopolis. That guy was like 5'10" 150 pounds, never saw the floor until his senior year and then ended up being OK that last year. Little things like that make a big difference. We certainly aren't seeing that now.

Also, just personal observation but they look disinterested and lazy... both things I'd put on the coach.
 
Lost again today by one point. Didn't see the game of course but this is about the 5th or 6th very close game they have lost, can't get it done in crunch time is a sign of being mentally weak which has been a pattern all season.
 
Beardown said:
Anyone else notice how the players are NOT developing better skills under B.J Hill? Take for example Tad Boyle and how he developed players like Will Figures, Devon Beitzel, Neal Kingman. All three of those players got better under Boyle. He coached them up.
Now look at players like Tevon Svihovec, Tim Huskisson. I'm not looking up stats, and maybe I'm totally off, but those two men have seemed to take a step back in their game. Especially Svihovec. If he wants to be a legit D1 guard, he's got to make those two free-throws late in the game (against UND).

Just one more reason to get rid of Hill. :twocents: :twocents:

A glance at the stats will show Svihovec isn't having that bad of a year. The only stat that would be nice to see better is his assist to turnover ratio. The glaring stats are the other two starters. If Tate, Tevin or Derrick don't carry the Bears night in and night out we are in trouble.

Also looking at the stats, there is little consistant help off the bench. If Paul or Emanual aren't ready to play it tends to be 3 on 5 as far as offensive production.

In my opinion, there is limited talent once you get outside there big three. The young men are playing hard with what they have, they are just limited at the D-1 level. And that boils down to recruiting!!! If you think the Bears are struggling now wait until after next year when Derrick and Tate are gone. Svihovec is going to have to average 40 a night his senior season which of course isn't realistic.

Full disclosure, Tevin is my nephew and I also wish the kid would make his free-throws when it's crunch time.
 
Blofeld said:
Lost again today by one point. Didn't see the game of course but this is about the 5th or 6th very close game they have lost, can't get it done in crunch time is a sign of being mentally weak which has been a pattern all season.

Or is it a sign of competition in practice. Some of the Bears scholarship players that have been around for 2 years are limited. When you can score on them or make stops in practice thats one thing. During a game when the competition increases its not as easy to make the shot or get the stop.

Lets hope they can win out. If they do we will all feel better. Especially the young men we all love to talk about.
 
When you have talent and you're not winning games, I think it falls on the coaches. I watched the Sac St. game, this team has talent but for some reason they aren't producing. My biggest issue was the play calling or lack there of, it just seem like to me that the kids didn't know what to run or how to run it. Lack of defense was another thing I saw. I don't know what should happen with coaching situation, if they get rid of Hill where do we go? UNC isn't actually a prime candidate for top coaches, most likely they will get someone of the same caliber or less.
 
I'm not sure if its coaching or not but I do see us as missing some aggressive forwards like we had in the past like Kingman, Montgomery, Kaba, & Proctor. Those guys could muscle their way around the basket. Right now I only see us with one and thats Barden. He needs a couple more and then we will see us with a winning record. We seem to be full of guards and some darn good ones but lacking some power forwards like Barden. We are so damn close. We should be standing in 3rd place all alone.
 

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