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[flyingnail]

I took a peek this weekend and was immediately reminded of the reason I don't post on there anymore. Total shit show. Apparently the only reason we've had success is because of "drop downs" and academic non-qualifiers. Who knew?

I know it's easier to make up excuses than have to accept mediocrity and irrelevance, but you'd think they'd internalize a little and try to figure out what they're doing wrong.

PSU...ouch.

Someone actually posted that our success is due to drop-down transfers and academic non-quals?

Do we have a single drop down or academic non-qual on our team? I can't think of a single one.

The especially comical element is that Hauck runs his team as Transfer U. And if we want to see academic non-quals, that's Idaho. We run a tight program. We take very few transfers and I can't even remember the last academic non-qual we signed. There was a DT a couple years back that washed out almost immediately and we had a California running back who did the same. But those were several seasons ago.

Yes, I have seen this for several years now that that's the perception many fans of both Montana schools have. I don't understand it, either, but it's out there. The funny thing is that of all of the All-Americans we've had at EWU (there have been many), I can only think of one that was a Prop 48 (Taiwan Jones). Similarly, of the 4 or 5 guys we currently have active on NFL rosters, only 1 of them fits into that category (Jones). Plenty of guys on CFL rosters that this is true of as well.

As you mentioned, we don't recruit many of those guys. And of those that we do, very few of them actually get their academic affairs in order enough to actually make the team. The assertion that we have a roster full of them is absolutely ridiculous. There may be one or two.

As for the drop-down transfer piece, that's laughable. I can think of two currently on the roster. Not that those are a bad thing, either, but Baldwin just didn't accept many of them and in fact turned many away. Like you said, Hauck made a living on transfers during his first stint...even accepting guys that were released under very dubious circumstances. Kavario Middleton comes to mind.

You are correct, we have a total of four transfers on the team. One came from D2 Western Oregon, one from FCS Grambling State - neither of whom are seeing much action- and two from FBS Navy and WSU... both of whom only went to their other school for one season. Neither of whom is a starter. We have no academic non-quals.

I could be wrong, but I believe Taiwan Jones came to Eastern on schollie from year one. If that's the case, he definitely wasn't a non-qual. Non-qual kids can't accept a schollie until they meet the Prop 48 criteria for D1 scholarship athletes.

I remember a few years ago reading from Montana fans that Vernon Adams was an LA gang member. That's about as ridiculous as it gets.

I thought TJ was a Prop 48, but you could be correct. I honestly cannot recall. TJ Lee was one, I do remember that. Great player.

I'm trying to think of all these Pac-12 transfers we've supposedly had. We had BLM and Kyle Padron who were both SMU transfers, and we had Andru Pulu transfer from Washington around 2012-2014 time frame. We also had Tevin McDonald transfer from UCLA to play safety for us around the same time. Note that both Pulu and McDonald were "second chance" guys Baldwin assumed risk on, so I am not knocking other schools for doing the same. I just think you can't base your entire recruiting strategy on it...and we clearly have not. Anybody else remember any other drop-down transfers we've had in recent years? I can't remember any others.

Demitrius Bronson

 

[ewueagle2010]

http://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?p=641108#p641108

Agree to disagree.

"Today I guess I’m just thankful that I don’t live in Cheney, or have to list EWU on my resume. Football be damned."

Difference is, most of us leave Cheney after 4 years (okay, maybe 5 for me), and they will probably stay in Bozeman the rest of their lives (or go some place worse).

I mean...I stayed in Cheney and love it :lol:

But, I’m also not from here and once lived in Montana, where I’d absolutely NEVER live again!

 

[FormerEag]

You should check it out now. They are taking victory laps over there because the grizz have the most social media followers in the FCS. I'm not shitting you, the thread is called "WINNING the social reach."

Unreal...

:rofl: :rofl: :clap: :clap:

 

[360Eag]

I took a peek this weekend and was immediately reminded of the reason I don't post on there anymore. Total shit show. Apparently the only reason we've had success is because of "drop downs" and academic non-qualifiers. Who knew?

I know it's easier to make up excuses than have to accept mediocrity and irrelevance, but you'd think they'd internalize a little and try to figure out what they're doing wrong.

PSU...ouch.

Someone actually posted that our success is due to drop-down transfers and academic non-quals?

Do we have a single drop down or academic non-qual on our team? I can't think of a single one.

The especially comical element is that Hauck runs his team as Transfer U. And if we want to see academic non-quals, that's Idaho. We run a tight program. We take very few transfers and I can't even remember the last academic non-qual we signed. There was a DT a couple years back that washed out almost immediately and we had a California running back who did the same. But those were several seasons ago.

Yes, I have seen this for several years now that that's the perception many fans of both Montana schools have. I don't understand it, either, but it's out there. The funny thing is that of all of the All-Americans we've had at EWU (there have been many), I can only think of one that was a Prop 48 (Taiwan Jones). Similarly, of the 4 or 5 guys we currently have active on NFL rosters, only 1 of them fits into that category (Jones). Plenty of guys on CFL rosters that this is true of as well.

As you mentioned, we don't recruit many of those guys. And of those that we do, very few of them actually get their academic affairs in order enough to actually make the team. The assertion that we have a roster full of them is absolutely ridiculous. There may be one or two.

As for the drop-down transfer piece, that's laughable. I can think of two currently on the roster. Not that those are a bad thing, either, but Baldwin just didn't accept many of them and in fact turned many away. Like you said, Hauck made a living on transfers during his first stint...even accepting guys that were released under very dubious circumstances. Kavario Middleton comes to mind.

You are correct, we have a total of four transfers on the team. One came from D2 Western Oregon, one from FCS Grambling State - neither of whom are seeing much action- and two from FBS Navy and WSU... both of whom only went to their other school for one season. Neither of whom is a starter. We have no academic non-quals.

I could be wrong, but I believe Taiwan Jones came to Eastern on schollie from year one. If that's the case, he definitely wasn't a non-qual. Non-qual kids can't accept a schollie until they meet the Prop 48 criteria for D1 scholarship athletes.

I remember a few years ago reading from Montana fans that Vernon Adams was an LA gang member. That's about as ridiculous as it gets.

I thought TJ was a Prop 48, but you could be correct. I honestly cannot recall. TJ Lee was one, I do remember that. Great player.

I'm trying to think of all these Pac-12 transfers we've supposedly had. We had BLM and Kyle Padron who were both SMU transfers, and we had Andru Pulu transfer from Washington around 2012-2014 time frame. We also had Tevin McDonald transfer from UCLA to play safety for us around the same time. Note that both Pulu and McDonald were "second chance" guys Baldwin assumed risk on, so I am not knocking other schools for doing the same. I just think you can't base your entire recruiting strategy on it...and we clearly have not. Anybody else remember any other drop-down transfers we've had in recent years? I can't remember any others.

We got Rashad Wadood from Arizona State.

 

[EWURanger]

You should check it out now. They are taking victory laps over there because the grizz have the most social media followers in the FCS. I'm not shitting you, the thread is called "WINNING the social reach."

Unreal...

:rofl: :rofl: :clap: :clap:

Hey, Eastern was #15! :lol: :thumb:

 

[EWURanger]

I took a peek this weekend and was immediately reminded of the reason I don't post on there anymore. Total shit show. Apparently the only reason we've had success is because of "drop downs" and academic non-qualifiers. Who knew?

I know it's easier to make up excuses than have to accept mediocrity and irrelevance, but you'd think they'd internalize a little and try to figure out what they're doing wrong.

PSU...ouch.

Someone actually posted that our success is due to drop-down transfers and academic non-quals?

Do we have a single drop down or academic non-qual on our team? I can't think of a single one.

The especially comical element is that Hauck runs his team as Transfer U. And if we want to see academic non-quals, that's Idaho. We run a tight program. We take very few transfers and I can't even remember the last academic non-qual we signed. There was a DT a couple years back that washed out almost immediately and we had a California running back who did the same. But those were several seasons ago.

Yes, I have seen this for several years now that that's the perception many fans of both Montana schools have. I don't understand it, either, but it's out there. The funny thing is that of all of the All-Americans we've had at EWU (there have been many), I can only think of one that was a Prop 48 (Taiwan Jones). Similarly, of the 4 or 5 guys we currently have active on NFL rosters, only 1 of them fits into that category (Jones). Plenty of guys on CFL rosters that this is true of as well.

As you mentioned, we don't recruit many of those guys. And of those that we do, very few of them actually get their academic affairs in order enough to actually make the team. The assertion that we have a roster full of them is absolutely ridiculous. There may be one or two.

As for the drop-down transfer piece, that's laughable. I can think of two currently on the roster. Not that those are a bad thing, either, but Baldwin just didn't accept many of them and in fact turned many away. Like you said, Hauck made a living on transfers during his first stint...even accepting guys that were released under very dubious circumstances. Kavario Middleton comes to mind.

You are correct, we have a total of four transfers on the team. One came from D2 Western Oregon, one from FCS Grambling State - neither of whom are seeing much action- and two from FBS Navy and WSU... both of whom only went to their other school for one season. Neither of whom is a starter. We have no academic non-quals.

I could be wrong, but I believe Taiwan Jones came to Eastern on schollie from year one. If that's the case, he definitely wasn't a non-qual. Non-qual kids can't accept a schollie until they meet the Prop 48 criteria for D1 scholarship athletes.

I remember a few years ago reading from Montana fans that Vernon Adams was an LA gang member. That's about as ridiculous as it gets.

I thought TJ was a Prop 48, but you could be correct. I honestly cannot recall. TJ Lee was one, I do remember that. Great player.

I'm trying to think of all these Pac-12 transfers we've supposedly had. We had BLM and Kyle Padron who were both SMU transfers, and we had Andru Pulu transfer from Washington around 2012-2014 time frame. We also had Tevin McDonald transfer from UCLA to play safety for us around the same time. Note that both Pulu and McDonald were "second chance" guys Baldwin assumed risk on, so I am not knocking other schools for doing the same. I just think you can't base your entire recruiting strategy on it...and we clearly have not. Anybody else remember any other drop-down transfers we've had in recent years? I can't remember any others.

We got Rashad Wadood from Arizona State.

Yup. So a total of 4 from about 2011 to 2014 or so. Hardly a roster full of Pac-12 transfers.

 

[EWU98]

I honestly think that investigation and potential death penalty has really made it hard to recruit for their coaches. That is a nasty cloud that won't go away anytime soon.

Woh... I need to read krakauer's book. I didn't know a potential death sentence is on the line. The wild part to me is that it all went down while Hauck was there and now he is back.

If you haven't seen the REAL SPORTS Special from HBO that is a must watch as well.

 

[EWURanger]

I honestly think that investigation and potential death penalty has really made it hard to recruit for their coaches. That is a nasty cloud that won't go away anytime soon.

Woh... I need to read krakauer's book. I didn't know a potential death sentence is on the line. The wild part to me is that it all went down while Hauck was there and now he is back.

If you haven't seen the REAL SPORTS Special from HBO that is a must watch as well.

That’s seriously a thing?

 

[EWU98]

It wasn't per say a special but it was a segment on their show. Not very glowing picture of UM.

 

[scottywashere11]

It wasn't per say a special but it was a segment on their show. Not very glowing picture of UM.

You don’t happen to know the episode number, do you? I just found that there are a few hundred episodes and it’s not coming up in google searches lol

 

[93bird]

Head over to Egriz if you're a fan of dumpster fires. The clubbing by North Dakota has them apoplectic.

 

[Obzerver]

I almost feel sorry for them...almost.

 

[Savages]

What sport are they playing because it isn't football.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Head over to Egriz if you're a fan of dumpster fires. The clubbing by North Dakota has them apoplectic.

It's.... it's beautiful. :rofl:

 

[GoldenEagle]

I usually go over there and give them a few jabs, but times are so dark in egriz land right now, I don't think it would be appropriate.

What the hell am I thinking? Now is the best time to pile on. :lol:

 

[luckyintheorder]

maybe after Eastern takes care of business...

 

[Rivercat]

I read the same comment about the drop downs and non-qualifiers. I had honesty never heard that before, so I wouldn’t say that both Montana schools fans feel that way. Apparently that’s a thing in the um world, but I don’t think so with MSU fans.

http://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?p=641108#p641108

Agree to disagree.

Touché. Honestly never saw that thread or comment.

That would be the second time I’ve heard it now. Still don’t think it’s a common perception of how fans in Montana view the roster of EWU.

 

[EWU98]

It wasn't per say a special but it was a segment on their show. Not very glowing picture of UM.

You don’t happen to know the episode number, do you? I just found that there are a few hundred episodes and it’s not coming up in google searches lol

Oh man so sorry it was Showtime not HBO....
https://www.sho.com/60-minutes-sports/season/2014/episode/11/60-minutes-sports