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EWU fans behavior towards SHSU

Closing the gate at the end of the game and holding several thousand fans back for 10+ minutes just feet away from players and coaches is setting up a horrible scenario for this type of interaction, especially when you top it off with alcohol.

I have often thought that holding the players back for 5 minutes would make more sense.

I personally have witnessed this type of behavior and ripped into a college kid big time.
 
LDopaPDX said:
This is where my hard-right libertarian side tells me that self-policing the situation is in order. A little booing or gesturing is part of the homefield advantage. There is no grey area between that and trying to pick a fight. If someone sees a "fan" acting like that, do us all a favor and shift his nose about 1/2" to the right. Once he feels that burning and choking sensation of having your nose relocated, he'll realize the err of his ways.
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Thought leader or bully....hmmm

“The core of libertarianism is respect for the life, liberty and property rights of each individual. This means that no one may initiate force against another, as that violates those natural rights. " Dopey, you are about as libertarian as Al Sharpton is white if your comments above are any indication. It obviously made you "feel" better though to express those thoughts, thankfully, no one died and made you dictator. :roll:

Eag fans are about as benign as any I have ever met. It's part of the area. Any condemnation is weak sauce on your part IMO. You should examine your need to chastise relentlessly on this topic.
 
luckyintheorder said:
LDopaPDX said:
This is where my hard-right libertarian side tells me that self-policing the situation is in order. A little booing or gesturing is part of the homefield advantage. There is no grey area between that and trying to pick a fight. If someone sees a "fan" acting like that, do us all a favor and shift his nose about 1/2" to the right. Once he feels that burning and choking sensation of having your nose relocated, he'll realize the err of his ways.
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Thought leader or bully....hmmm

“The core of libertarianism is respect for the life, liberty and property rights of each individual. This means that no one may initiate force against another, as that violates those natural rights. " Dopey, you are about as libertarian as Al Sharpton is white if your comments above are any indication. It obviously made you "feel" better though to express those thoughts, thankfully, no one died and made you dictator. :roll:

Eag fans are about as benign as any I have ever met. It's part of the area. Any condemnation is weak sauce on your part IMO. You should examine your need to chastise relentlessly on this topic.
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Lucky, you’re quite the battle-hardened fan.
 
Dammit, Lucky, I can't believe I'm going to have this argument with a Southerner.

But you sound like some left-wing academic trying to squeeze libertarianism into your narrow-minded worldview. Libertarianism, above all, is a philosophy that individualism trumps collectivism. Therefore, it is a natural conclusion to the libertarian that managing your own affairs is better than trying to achieve a similar (and often more drastic) means through laws, rules, and regulations.

Why the hell should a team need a tunnel to get through fans? Why can't fans behave themselves? 'Natural rights' don't include the right to be free from consequences if you assault an opposing fan or player. Just because you wear the Eagle Red doesn't mean you have a 'natural right' to be free from physical recourse if you choose to violate someone else's 'natural rights' by assaulting them. That's simple Old Testament stuff right there- an eye for an eye, and I would expect a Southerner to know better.

Lastly, where do you find me chastising relentlessly on this topic? I made two posts. And I 100% stand by my comment, if Eagle fans see some drunk fool trying to start a fight with an opposing player, hit him with a left hook. Drunks never see the hook coming.
 
LDopaPDX said:
Dammit, Lucky, I can't believe I'm going to have this argument with a Southerner.

But you sound like some left-wing academic trying to squeeze libertarianism into your narrow-minded worldview. Libertarianism, above all, is a philosophy that individualism trumps collectivism. Therefore, it is a natural conclusion to the libertarian that managing your own affairs is better than trying to achieve a similar (and often more drastic) means through laws, rules, and regulations.

Why the hell should a team need a tunnel to get through fans? Why can't fans behave themselves? 'Natural rights' don't include the right to be free from consequences if you assault an opposing fan or player. Just because you wear the Eagle Red doesn't mean you have a 'natural right' to be free from physical recourse if you choose to violate someone else's 'natural rights' by assaulting them. That's simple Old Testament stuff right there- an eye for an eye, and I would expect a Southerner to know better.

Lastly, where do you find me chastising relentlessly on this topic? I made two posts. And I 100% stand by my comment, if Eagle fans see some drunk fool trying to start a fight with an opposing player, hit him with a left hook. Drunks never see the hook coming.
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Don't care to debate the mysteries of libertarianism, but all for the individual. Just don't think libertarianism has anything to do with your take on fans behaving badly and didn't care for you hiding behind a mantra it appears you understand (giving you the benefit of the doubt). Maybe it's a matter of preference. Might try standing behind common sense next time and try to remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Better yet, if you happen to be in attendance and come upon this situation, share how you dealt with it instead of transferring yourself into a situation safely from a distance and telling others how to behave. Might be interesting to see how people react to your solution. Like a liberal, you will stand by your comment, because, who could possibly disagree..... At least you didn't propose any legislation. Southerners know how to turn the other cheek. In that spirit, I offer an apology to the rest of the board for going down the rabbit hole with you. Go Eags!
 
luckyintheorder said:
LDopaPDX said:
Dammit, Lucky, I can't believe I'm going to have this argument with a Southerner.

Woo Ha, lets move this to the e-griz site.
But you sound like some left-wing academic trying to squeeze libertarianism into your narrow-minded worldview. Libertarianism, above all, is a philosophy that individualism trumps collectivism. Therefore, it is a natural conclusion to the libertarian that managing your own affairs is better than trying to achieve a similar (and often more drastic) means through laws, rules, and regulations.

Why the hell should a team need a tunnel to get through fans? Why can't fans behave themselves? 'Natural rights' don't include the right to be free from consequences if you assault an opposing fan or player. Just because you wear the Eagle Red doesn't mean you have a 'natural right' to be free from physical recourse if you choose to violate someone else's 'natural rights' by assaulting them. That's simple Old Testament stuff right there- an eye for an eye, and I would expect a Southerner to know better.

Lastly, where do you find me chastising relentlessly on this topic? I made two posts. And I 100% stand by my comment, if Eagle fans see some drunk fool trying to start a fight with an opposing player, hit him with a left hook. Drunks never see the hook coming.
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Don't care to debate the mysteries of libertarianism, but all for the individual. Just don't think libertarianism has anything to do with your take on fans behaving badly and didn't care for you hiding behind a mantra it appears you understand (giving you the benefit of the doubt). Maybe it's a matter of preference. Might try standing behind common sense next time and try to remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Better yet, if you happen to be in attendance and come upon this situation, share how you dealt with it instead of transferring yourself into a situation safely from a distance and telling others how to behave. Might be interesting to see how people react to your solution. Like a liberal, you will stand by your comment, because, who could possibly disagree..... At least you didn't propose any legislation. Southerners know how to turn the other cheek. In that spirit, I offer an apology to the rest of the board for going down the rabbit hole with you. Go Eags!
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luckyintheorder said:
LDopaPDX said:
Dammit, Lucky, I can't believe I'm going to have this argument with a Southerner.
Woo, Ha. lets move this to the E-Griz pages where it belongs!

But you sound like some left-wing academic trying to squeeze libertarianism into your narrow-minded worldview. Libertarianism, above all, is a philosophy that individualism trumps collectivism. Therefore, it is a natural conclusion to the libertarian that managing your own affairs is better than trying to achieve a similar (and often more drastic) means through laws, rules, and regulations.

Why the hell should a team need a tunnel to get through fans? Why can't fans behave themselves? 'Natural rights' don't include the right to be free from consequences if you assault an opposing fan or player. Just because you wear the Eagle Red doesn't mean you have a 'natural right' to be free from physical recourse if you choose to violate someone else's 'natural rights' by assaulting them. That's simple Old Testament stuff right there- an eye for an eye, and I would expect a Southerner to know better.

Lastly, where do you find me chastising relentlessly on this topic? I made two posts. And I 100% stand by my comment, if Eagle fans see some drunk fool trying to start a fight with an opposing player, hit him with a left hook. Drunks never see the hook coming.
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Don't care to debate the mysteries of libertarianism, but all for the individual. Just don't think libertarianism has anything to do with your take on fans behaving badly and didn't care for you hiding behind a mantra it appears you understand (giving you the benefit of the doubt). Maybe it's a matter of preference. Might try standing behind common sense next time and try to remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Better yet, if you happen to be in attendance and come upon this situation, share how you dealt with it instead of transferring yourself into a situation safely from a distance and telling others how to behave. Might be interesting to see how people react to your solution. Like a liberal, you will stand by your comment, because, who could possibly disagree..... At least you didn't propose any legislation. Southerners know how to turn the other cheek. In that spirit, I offer an apology to the rest of the board for going down the rabbit hole with you. Go Eags!
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There is no room for this behavior. I'm glad that folks step in and that this drunkard will be held accountable.

There is also no room for players that cheap shot others after the whistle and poor losers that focus on cheap shots when they know they've lost. That's not the frustration of a competitor, it's just being a jerk.

Most of all there is no room for rouge hack reporters to compensate for there lack of literary skills by exaggerating an isolated incident for the purpose of sensational "journalism". This simply creates unnecessary I'll will.

All should be held accountable.
 
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