Fire everyone

[SLenz44]

7 years with Collins, and this crap has gone on too long. A 6 win season is the best we can do in his tenure, and the only reason that happened is we had a QB that is now in the NFL.

I'm baffled as to why the 2nd half was the saddest/worst/passive playcalling scheme we could run. I also loved having the entire D line stand around and then the QB still runs for 12 yards or bombs it downfield for 30 yards.

I would love for Collins or any of his staff to swing by the forums to tell them what an absolutely terrible job they are doing, and the only reason they still have jobs is no one really gives a damn about the football program to make it a success. I highly doubt any team in this league or the FCS/any level outside of High School would tolerate a coach with a 23-50 record to steal money from a public institution like this.

I was actually excited about season tickets next year since I have moved back to the area, but after that debacle I have 0 interest in doing so. I could eat at Cafe Mexicali 20 times for that investment, which I would at least feel satisfied at the end. I'm frankly mad I wasted my time watching a game where a better UNC team got coached circles around.

But I'll wait for a toothless interview with Collins and make way for another losing season for the team who should have the slogan "A day late and a dollar short". Oh well, at least coach Collins got an extension. I hope he sends a nice gift to Sloter, because without him we could start with a coach whose record is slightly above .333. UNC players- you deserved to win today- but your coaches let you down again.

 

[Brian]

Anyone in the area know how much pressure the Trib and others are putting on the program? Since they are a little fish in a big pond, they always seem to skate a bit.

 

[SLenz44]

Anyone in the area know how much pressure the Trib and others are putting on the program? Since they are a little fish in a big pond, they always seem to skate a bit.

I'm not sure about the trib, but for as much as I love troy/ appreciate his great commentary- he has said he doesn't grill Collins too hard during the Monday show because he doesn't want him walking out which in my mind is an indictment of several things. So I would imagine something similar with the trib.

 

[Beardown]

I don't know what pressure the athletic department may have to clean house, other than sliding attendance numbers. We used to get no less than 6K sometimes 7K for Homecoming games, but as you can see it is around 5K.

The thing that bothers me most about Collins and company is that they're recruiting isn't happening like he said it should. He wanted to lock down the state to where we did not lose one recruit to another FCS Big Sky school. If you look up and down some of the Big Sky teams they have some Colorado talent. Look at the UND Sue. They have Mickey Greibal, one of the best talents in the state last season, AND HIS DAD WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER AT UNC! I know we offered but I don't think we pursued him very much. Same thing with Montana, etc. We can have a budget the size of EWU (which is smaller) and still win. We won D2 national championships with 99% Colorado kids. EWU recruits Washington kids and they're consistent winners.

Collins said he would lock down the state, and it isn't happening. Maybe it is time for a wholesale change.

 

[Brian]

I don't know what pressure the athletic department may have to clean house, other than sliding attendance numbers. We used to get no less than 6K sometimes 7K for Homecoming games, but as you can see it is around 5K.

The thing that bothers me most about Collins and company is that they're recruiting isn't happening like he said it should. He wanted to lock down the state to where we did not lose one recruit to another FCS Big Sky school. If you look up and down some of the Big Sky teams they have some Colorado talent. Look at the UND Sue. They have Mickey Greibal, one of the best talents in the state last season, AND HIS DAD WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER AT UNC! I know we offered but I don't think we pursued him very much. Same thing with Montana, etc. We can have a budget the size of EWU (which is smaller) and still win. We won D2 national championships with 99% Colorado kids. EWU recruits Washington kids and they're consistent winners.

Collins said he would lock down the state, and it isn't happening. Maybe it is time for a wholesale change.

Well said. We recruited better at the DII level than we now do in the FCS and that was cornering the market on the Colorado kids.

 

[uBear]

Anyone in the area know how much pressure the Trib and others are putting on the program? Since they are a little fish in a big pond, they always seem to skate a bit.

Sam Mustari is still the same incompetent "reporter" he's been for 40 years, so there is exactly zero pressure coming from the Trib.

 

[UNCBEERS!]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

 

[Brian]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

Not sure how old you are (I assume old enough since that was a well thought out post) but do you think we gave Scott Downing enough time as head coach (5 years of futility)? I think the Collins era has gone better but the game day management is just mystifying. Our facilities are on a part with many of the Big Sky schools, especially the training facilities. Our D2 facilities were even worse than our peer D2 schools (UND, NDSU, SDSU etc...) but we were able to recruit and win a National Championship at that level with those facilities. Heck, Jackson Field was horrific. I remember going to the Pittsburg State, KS playoff game during our first Championship season and marveling at the Pitt State stadium (their side that is similar to our main stands is their small side) and I wondered how we could compete with facilities like this but we did.

 

[SLenz44]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

This isn't a Montana State of yore, they are down like we are. Have you seen his winning record? He's had 7 years and the best we got was 6-5. Don't act like he hasn't had time to do anything. And look at EWU, they have roughly the same budget and are doing way better things. How many years do you give Collins and co? A decade of .333 football?

 

[bearadactyl]

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This isn't a Montana State of yore, they are down like we are. Have you seen his winning record? He's had 7 years and the best we got was 6-5. Don't act like he hasn't had time to do anything. And look at EWU, they have roughly the same budget and are doing way better things. How many years do you give Collins and co? A decade of .333 football?
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Don't forget the asterisk...

*6-5

 

[Beardown]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

Our budget is about the middle in the conference. Not the worst, but not the most money either. Eastern Washington wins with a much smaller budget and not-so-great facilities either. They recruit in-state, better than we recruit in-state.

 

[Brian]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

Our budget is about the middle in the conference. Not the worst, but not the most money either. Eastern Washington wins with a much smaller budget and not-so-great facilities either. They recruit in-state, better than we recruit in-state.

Easter Washington is a good point of comparison. They are also in a state with 2 large FBS schools (unlike Montana who top out at FCS) so they have to deal with not being the top dog in the state. I think the one difference is that I doubt as many kids at EWU go home for the weekend considering it's a 4.5 hour drive to the Seattle area.

 

[UNCBEERS!]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

Not sure how old you are (I assume old enough since that was a well thought out post) but do you think we gave Scott Downing enough time as head coach (5 years of futility)? I think the Collins era has gone better but the game day management is just mystifying. Our facilities are on a part with many of the Big Sky schools, especially the training facilities. Our D2 facilities were even worse than our peer D2 schools (UND, NDSU, SDSU etc...) but we were able to recruit and win a National Championship at that level with those facilities. Heck, Jackson Field was horrific. I remember going to the Pittsburg State, KS playoff game during our first Championship season and marveling at the Pitt State stadium (their side that is similar to our main stands is their small side) and I wondered how we could compete with facilities like this but we did.

The training facilities???? Have you seen our weight room??? Its awful. I have traveled to every big sky school including EWU. Our facilities are at the bottom. Most D2 schools now have better facilities than us now.

And do you know what we are paying our coaches? Its next to nothing. Check your facts. Look into stuff. Dont just believe what you hear on the internet

I can guarentee you that we wont be able to hire anyone better with the budget currently in place.

 

[Beardown]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

Not sure how old you are (I assume old enough since that was a well thought out post) but do you think we gave Scott Downing enough time as head coach (5 years of futility)? I think the Collins era has gone better but the game day management is just mystifying. Our facilities are on a part with many of the Big Sky schools, especially the training facilities. Our D2 facilities were even worse than our peer D2 schools (UND, NDSU, SDSU etc...) but we were able to recruit and win a National Championship at that level with those facilities. Heck, Jackson Field was horrific. I remember going to the Pittsburg State, KS playoff game during our first Championship season and marveling at the Pitt State stadium (their side that is similar to our main stands is their small side) and I wondered how we could compete with facilities like this but we did.

The training facilities???? Have you seen our weight room??? Its awful. I have traveled to every big sky school including EWU. Our facilities are at the bottom. Most D2 schools now have better facilities than us now.

And do you know what we are paying our coaches? Its next to nothing. Check your facts. Look into stuff. Dont just believe what you hear on the internet

I can guarentee you that we wont be able to hire anyone better with the budget currently in place.

Base salary of $150,000 will carry a long way in Greeley. That's just a base salary. As for the rest of the staff, here is a link from the Tribune a few years ago that is just on this topic.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/sports/greeley-sports/workin-for-a-livin-unc-coaching-salaries-arent-the-highest-in-the-conference-but-they-arent-the-lowest/

Also, a database from USAToday on all NCAA program. We're on the lower end of budgets, but certainly not the lowest. Again, look at EWU, they're winning on the cheap. http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

[Miguel]

"Also lets consider how far we have come..."

How far we have come? From DII national champions 96-97 to two winning FCS seasons since, with one winning record due only to playing an NAIA school like we did this year. The best we have done in the Collins era is tied for 4th in the Big Sky in 2012 and tied for 8th in 2015 and 6th in 2016. I guess if mediocre at best is progress then going from 0-11 to barely .500 is progress. This year we are 2-4 with wins against 3-4 NAIA College of Idaho and 4-4 Idaho State with a very good Southern Utah team ready to crush us on Saturday.

2011 0-11 Earnest Collins Jr. BSC/9th
2012 5-6 Earnest Collins Jr. BSC/T4th
2013 1-10 Earnest Collins Jr. BSC/13th
2014 3-8 Earnest Collins Jr. BSC/10th
2015 6-5 Earnest Collins Jr. BSC/T-8th
2016 6-5 Earnest Collins Jr. BSC/T-6th (One win vs. NAIA school)

Total- 21-45... this year, best case scenario.... 4-6... and that's a stretch and only possible due to the Florida game being cancelled.

How far have we come? We are no longer every team's favorite Homecoming opponent, so I guess that is also progress...

 

[Brian]

I thought the re-design of Butler Hancock was supposed to improve the weight room and locker room. Is it still not up to par after those renovations?

 

[beardevil39]

Come on now...

Lets be somewhat reasonable. We are without Knipp playing a QB that is clearly not as talented.
Also lets consider how far we have come... We are complaining about losing to MONTANA STATE in a year that should be a down year. But the coaches have got a very very young offensive line ready to play at a high level very fast.

I agree it was very disappointing but lets not start calling for heads.

Collins and the staff have won with the funding of a D2 program. Recruiting budget included. Yes more money is beginning to be pumped into the program but the guys that are there now are based off D2 funding and bad bad D2 facilities.

If you want to do something about the problem, donate to the program. You can't expect us to lock down Colorado when we are recruiting to our facilities vs. facilities like Montana and Montana State.

UNC BEERS, obviously you have not been around very long as all of us veteran fans have been here for decades through the good and bad. We have been down this road of excuses after excuses and have stubbornly settled for mediocrity even though we hate it. We donate to the program year after year and all we get are limp excuses from a head coach. In any other world , he would be fired. Yea we are at least looking like we belong on the field but the same ol, same ol is not cutting it. And its not necessarily the money (although it helps), its coaching, its recruiting, its bringing players together , unity , cohesion yadda yadda yadda. We are in the insanity phase of doing the same thing over and over again and not getting anywhere

 

[SLenz44]

Bump for 2-5.

 

[Brian]

I took my bye week this week (my daughter had birthday party so I didn't watch the game). Doesn't look like I missed much (though SUU was always going to win this one so at least we kept the score respectable). I wonder how much SUU spends on coaching and recruiting? Their facilities don't look any better than ours.

 

[bearadactyl]

I took my bye week this week (my daughter had birthday party so I didn't watch the game). Doesn't look like I missed much (though SUU was always going to win this one so at least we kept the score respectable). I wonder how much SUU spends on coaching and recruiting? Their facilities don't look any better than ours.

I'm curious as well. SUU has to recruit against another instate FCS (Weber) and UNC doesn't. For now.

Imagine if what talent we have now was even less due to instate leeching by DU or UCCS. We probably wouldn't be very good at all. We'd probably only have one win instead of two.