Fire Rahe Part IV

[WSUfan1]

Everyone knew this post was coming after that embarrassment of a a** whoppin'. How throughly embarrassing. I have never left the Dee more embarrassed and disappointed than I did today. And trust me, losing to A.J. was very disappointing. The way that we just lost, and how it happened, there are no words. Why is Rahe still the coach at WSU?? This is a real question, and there needs to be explanations and answers. I am so sick and tired of Rahe not taking these games seriously. Lots of firsts for Rahe this year. First time beating BYU, and now the first coach in WSU history to lose to UVU at home. I want to throw up I am so sick to my stomach. Gosh, Rahe needs to go. It is getting harder and harder to force myself to attend games. The games are zero fun, the team is disengaged, there was no heart or passion there. Rahe continues to get out coached. When does this madness end? At what point is Rahe fired or at least publicly put on the hot seat? That $500k a year could sure be put to better use, including putting it towards our football coach. I no longer expect to win games, and that is a problem. I mean, seriously, how many fans went to the game thinking we were going to win? I didnt, but I sure hated every minute of being there. That team is not fun to watch, so selfish, no rhythm, and just plain boring. Rahe sucks as a coach, and his "new" style is not good. Our best player is held to 4 first-half points. How gross.

I am going to email Jerry Bovee in the morning, and I encourage everyone to do the same. His e-mail is; [email protected].

He needs to know that there is much displeasure with the team, and especially this coach. With all these terrible losses, non D-I games, and lack of coaching, a 20 win season is nothing to be happy with anymore. I will not be going to the game next week, I have much better things to do. I still cant figure out why Bovee gave him a contract extension till 2022 or 2023. Please Bovee, fire Rahe or make him forfeit his salary, and give back money with each in-state loss. And dont get me started with the turnover rate/players transferring that are RM's. Rahe has lost control of this program, and there needs to be change.

When there are negotiations regarding renewing the Beehive Classic, UVU has some serious beef to not be included. They really should take our place at the games.

Rahe vs. the state of Utah.

BYU: 1-12 (I am not counting the forfeit win)
U of U: 2-4
USU: 4-11
UVU: 4-4

Overall: 11- 31, for a 0.354 winning percentage. That just straight pathetic. A 13 year HC has no business losing games like today, at home no less. I guess Bovee and the University are okay with average to below average. hno: Rahe doesnt even have a winning record vs any of those schools, and that is not okay with me. Change needs to happen, as the program is slipping, and it is slipping fast. We can only live off of Lillard's coattail for so long. For those Rahe lovers, rest assured, the real season doesnt actually start till "league" play. Man, I hate the attitude that Rahe has with regards to OOC games, and especially towards the in-state games.

(I never count SUU, as they are in the Big Sky)

 

[DeeScott]

Brekkot was the only one to really show up. Cody scored ok, but not much else.
UVU had 13 assists, we had 6.
UVU outrebounded the 'Cats 45-37.
UVU held Jerrick to 10 points.
But hey, we'll be fine in the Big Sky!

 

[Chex]

I just get tired of Rahe’s treating non-conference games like a preseason or exhibition game and his general apathy of instate games. UVU was fired up. Weber State looked like they showed up to a time share presentation.

Toolson was talking trash and Weber State just let him do it...previous teams would have put him into the wall for that...but they just watched it. They also got worked inside by some players who were smaller. It was frustrating to say the least.

The refs not giving Pope a technical and letting him yell at them the whole game was pathetic, too, but he clearly wanted that win more than Rahe.

I hope Rahe takes some blame and says it is unacceptable instead of the usual “there was a lid on the rim, it just wasn’t our night, it’s going to take some time, we’ll be ready for conference, etc.”

 

[SWWeatherCat]

These threads mean nothing but I do mostly agree with all the frustration expressed. I wish I would have stayed home tonight, not because of the loss (which really does suck) but because that was simply as ugly a display of basketball I remember seeing from Weber at the DEC-- just un-entertaining, bad basketball. Rahe totally out-coached again but it's not necessarily a game thing, theses players really don't display indicators that they are being taught, developed, and prepared to play, at least not to me. Weber was absolutely abused in the paint and given a lesson how to play as a team and go get a win against an in-state rival that means something to you.

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

Just the lack of people commenting on this topic says it all about the state of WSU basketball. I looked up the first fire rahe thread that was such a hot button issue from 2015. The thread was 7 pages long with 139 replies and got moved to another tab. Now just the overall involvement on the forum is way down and it seems involvement in the WSU programs is down overall.
I never have commented much on the forum but I used to read it 3 or more times a week to keep updated and catch opinions about 1.5 - 2 years ago. Now i get on maybe once a month. Shame on me but what is drawing people in?
Look at the crowd at the Dee? MAYBE 4k fans at the UVU game. We all know the reported numbers are garbage. This is an in-state home game against a team that hung with Arizona. Should be a big game.. No body showed up to support because no one gives a sh!t, JUST LIKE THE COACH.

I called for firing Rahe in 2015 and now I could care less. Those who wanted to keep him, you got him til 2045 or whatever he is signed til.
Ill still attend games with my family but seeing where the program was with Lillard to where it is now... pathetic.

 

[WSUfan1]

Just the lack of people commenting on this topic says it all about the state of WSU basketball. I looked up the first fire rahe thread that was such a hot button issue from 2015. The thread was 7 pages long with 139 replies and got moved to another tab. Now just the overall involvement on the forum is way down and it seems involvement in the WSU programs is down overall.
I never have commented much on the forum but I used to read it 3 or more times a week to keep updated and catch opinions about 1.5 - 2 years ago. Now i get on maybe once a month. Shame on me but what is drawing people in?
Look at the crowd at the Dee? MAYBE 4k fans at the UVU game. We all know the reported numbers are garbage. This is an in-state home game against a team that hung with Arizona. Should be a big game.. No body showed up to support because no one gives a sh!t, JUST LIKE THE COACH.

I called for firing Rahe in 2015 and now I could care less. Those who wanted to keep him, you got him til 2045 or whatever he is signed til.
Ill still attend games with my family but seeing where the program was with Lillard to where it is now... pathetic.

i will continue to call for Rahe to be fire, as he is underperforming yet again. I find it interesting that many fans, even those like Tal, find other things to do than follow basketball these days. WSU bball is boring and dated. Rahe has created a terrible atmosphere for fans and players alike. What is the drive to get fans to the games? The games are no longer important with the Big Suck going away from hosting schools. Fresh blood and a new direction is desperately needed here. Something has to change. We could be having a below mediocre season with a new coach with Rahe leftovers, and have lots to look forward to next year. Only the reality is we get this crap for another 10 years. What ever happened to the talks of building a program into a Sweet 16 one? Man, has that shipped ever sailed.

 

[DeeScott]

I don't want to pretend I'm in the "know" on everything about Weber State hoops, but I'm reasonably well-connected to those who know. I think Randy is where Stew Morrill was about two years before he retired. The problem is, Stew saw the writing on the wall, and Randy doesn't have a clue that he is becoming irrelevant. Randy's always talking about toughness, but that doesn't seem to translate to a winning culture. What "toughness" means to me is a team that plays together, plays to their strengths, and wins most of their close games. This team may have some good players on it, but the culture of "toughness" Randy has built looks more like selfishness. Just look at the programs in the state that are winning with they guys they have, including many in-state guys that Randy seems to run off: UVU and USU. Both have outstanding coaches who recognize that a team will achieve far greater with a positive, upbeat culture rather than one that focuses on rewarding selfishness all in the name of toughness. UVU is a strong NIT contender if they don't get an automatic bid by winning the WAC. USU is being looked at as a possible 11 or 12 seed for the tourney, even if they don't win the Mt. West. Athletic Director and coach don't have to look far for examples of how to build a successful program.

 

[sasquatch]

Just don't see buying out 5 years, or whatever is left, on the contract.

 

[Chex]

Just don't see buying out 5 years, or whatever is left, on the contract.

Rahe can work concessions, parking lot, etc. for his salary. Bring in a new coach, even if on an interim basis. High school coaches do a better job teaching rebounding than Rahe does.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Just don't see buying out 5 years, or whatever is left, on the contract.

Sad but true. His contact runs through the 2023-24 season. That's 5 more seasons after this one. He's making $342,594 annually. So unless there's a buyout clause, he's still owned $1,712,970 . Bovee is the one who should be shown the door for giving a HC an 8-year contract. How incredibly ridiculous.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/randy-rahe-signs--year-contract-to-remain-weber-state/article_113e6183-7e6d-58b6-adcf-47d3022262c4.html

 

[WSUWildcat]

Just don't see buying out 5 years, or whatever is left, on the contract.

Sad but true. His contact runs through the 2023-24 season. That's 5 more seasons after this one. He's making $342,594 annually. So unless there's a buyout clause, he's still owned $1,712,970 . Bovee is the one who should be shown the door for giving a HC an 8-year contract. How incredibly ridiculous.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/randy-rahe-signs--year-contract-to-remain-weber-state/article_113e6183-7e6d-58b6-adcf-47d3022262c4.html

Funny how times change. Used to be Basketball's success made Weber fans content with getting our butts handed to us in Football. I have never been happy with Bovee. He got lucky with Jay Hill after floundering about with John L Smith and Jody Sears.

Rahe either needs to start coaching or let his assistants run the program. Hell of a recruiter. Horrible at building a team concept and developing talent. Cannot manage a game unless he is up 20 points late.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Just don't see buying out 5 years, or whatever is left, on the contract.

Sad but true. His contact runs through the 2023-24 season. That's 5 more seasons after this one. He's making $342,594 annually. So unless there's a buyout clause, he's still owned $1,712,970 . Bovee is the one who should be shown the door for giving a HC an 8-year contract. How incredibly ridiculous.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/randy-rahe-signs--year-contract-to-remain-weber-state/article_113e6183-7e6d-58b6-adcf-47d3022262c4.html

Funny how times change. Used to be Basketball's success made Weber fans content with getting our butts handed to us in Football. I have never been happy with Bovee. He got lucky with Jay Hill after floundering about with John L Smith and Jody Sears.

Rahe either needs to start coaching or let his assistants run the program. Hell of a recruiter. Horrible at building a team concept and developing talent. Cannot manage a game unless he is up 20 points late.

I'd argue that his assistants are the ones hurting this program. However, he is the one who hired them. Look what has happened the year after a good assistant leaves the program. Linder left, there was a drop off. Beckner leaves, drop off. Bernard left, drop off. And, finally, Smiley left and since he went to UNCO, our program has been limping, while UNCO has been getting better and better. Now, I also think that Linder is a hell of a coach, but Smiley is also a really good coach, and you can tell that the Cubbies are very well coached. I've been friends with a number of players throughout the years and they all say the same thing, that Randy is a good coach (we all know he struggles with change and X and Os, but he is a good coach), the other guys aren't ever given such a great billing; especially the guy who has been here the entire time with Randy. His assistants aren't doing him any favors. I think they actually really hurt him.

 

[Chex]

Just don't see buying out 5 years, or whatever is left, on the contract.

Sad but true. His contact runs through the 2023-24 season. That's 5 more seasons after this one. He's making $342,594 annually. So unless there's a buyout clause, he's still owned $1,712,970 . Bovee is the one who should be shown the door for giving a HC an 8-year contract. How incredibly ridiculous.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/randy-rahe-signs--year-contract-to-remain-weber-state/article_113e6183-7e6d-58b6-adcf-47d3022262c4.html

Funny how times change. Used to be Basketball's success made Weber fans content with getting our butts handed to us in Football. I have never been happy with Bovee. He got lucky with Jay Hill after floundering about with John L Smith and Jody Sears.

Rahe either needs to start coaching or let his assistants run the program. Hell of a recruiter. Horrible at building a team concept and developing talent. Cannot manage a game unless he is up 20 points late.

I'd argue that his assistants are the ones hurting this program. However, he is the one who hired them. Look what has happened the year after a good assistant leaves the program. Linder left, there was a drop off. Beckner leaves, drop off. Bernard left, drop off. And, finally, Smiley left and since he went to UNCO, our program has been limping, while UNCO has been getting better and better. Now, I also think that Linder is a hell of a coach, but Smiley is also a really good coach, and you can tell that the Cubbies are very well coached. I've been friends with a number of players throughout the years and they all say the same thing, that Randy is a good coach (we all know he struggles with change and X and Os, but he is a good coach), the other guys aren't ever given such a great billing; especially the guy who has been here the entire time with Randy. His assistants aren't doing him any favors. I think they actually really hurt him.

I think Beckner was awesome. I was hoping he was going to take the reigns. He fired up everyone to play defense and got on the refs. It was great to see.

Does anyone stand out on defensive effort? I haven’t noticed.

Teams reflect coaches and honestly, this team is one of the softest I have seen. Randy never calls timeout and yells them down when needed. Randy disappears down the stretch: no play calls, no adjustments (have they ever thrown a surprise full court press?), not much about arguing with refs, etc. no surprise his team crumbles like a muffin down the stretch.

I keep hearing this team is talented...is it? Talent goes nowhere without sweat. I honestly think the 5-year slide is underway.

Ogden is a blue collar type city. Loafing and lolly gagging are not acceptable. Get fired up and start working hard or make way for someone who will.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

I'd argue that his assistants are the ones hurting this program. However, he is the one who hired them. Look what has happened the year after a good assistant leaves the program. Linder left, there was a drop off. Beckner leaves, drop off. Bernard left, drop off. And, finally, Smiley left and since he went to UNCO, our program has been limping, while UNCO has been getting better and better. Now, I also think that Linder is a hell of a coach, but Smiley is also a really good coach, and you can tell that the Cubbies are very well coached. I've been friends with a number of players throughout the years and they all say the same thing, that Randy is a good coach (we all know he struggles with change and X and Os, but he is a good coach), the other guys aren't ever given such a great billing; especially the guy who has been here the entire time with Randy. His assistants aren't doing him any favors. I think they actually really hurt him.

We might be saying a similar thing but I'd argue past assistants have made Rahe look better than he actually was, and that's saying a lot in my opinion. Look no further than Beckner! Rahe seems to get a lot of credit for Lillard and although he was a great get look what Rahe wasn't able to do with one of the best talents to play in Ogden. More and more, I'm thinking Rahe's recruiting might not be quite as good as he's given credit for. Was Lillard the same type of recruit Rahe has always gone for but just happened to have an incredible drive and work ethic, and be worked and developed by one of the better assistants they've had in Beckner?

No matter what the reality is, Rahe, with some assistance from the Athletic Department and the BSC, has pulled an equivalent of John L (i.e. satan) on the program; it's just not fun, interesting, or entertaining anymore. The thought of at least 5 more years of this crap makes me want to to jump on the Aggie train-- good grief!

 

[Webergrad02]

The hardest part for me to swallow is the fact that for 5 more years private donors will be paying for part of his salary. What progress have we seen since the extension was signed? How was there no clause for recourse for under performance? This year was one that many people were looking forward to with the two senior big men.

If Randy Rahe had the same level of integrity that he 13 years ago we would not be in this situation. How can he get paid his salary and not seem to care about unity and toughness? I just don't see how there is any hope for things to change. We can't even get rid of the loud, obnoxious "hype" guy that has been inhaling the microphone for the past 7 seasons.

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

The microphone guy, Jake, is a product of Ron Goch. As long as Ron is around, Jake stays.
Enjoy your piping hot pizza!

 

[WSUWildcat]

The microphone guy, Jake, is a product of Ron Goch. As long as Ron is around, Jake stays.
Enjoy your piping hot pizza!

Ron Goch is responsible for Marketing or the lack of Marketing. Maybe he should go as well.

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

The microphone guy, Jake, is a product of Ron Goch. As long as Ron is around, Jake stays.
Enjoy your piping hot pizza!

Ron Goch is responsible for Marketing or the lack of Marketing. Maybe he should go as well.

You will find a small army who agrees! I think the athletic department as a whole is just coasting. Living off the coattails of Lillard and now Jay Hill.

 

[WSUfan1]

I rest my case. Need I say more?

 

[Chex]

Five more years of this...wow. EWU coach acted like a d-bag, and the Wildcats players and coaches did nothing. Hero ball struck again at the end when a two-point shot would have worked.

They were out coached again. Soft play most of the game again. Outrebounded again...particularly loved the one that was a front end miss on a one-on-one and went by three Wildcat players and EWU made the second chance shot.

EWU coaches embarrassed Rahe on his home court and we will probably get more, “I love this team and I believe in this team. We will compete real hard in Boise,”. Blah, blah, blah.

Good on the student section for showing some fight. They got on the EWU coach. How embarrassing are the refs to take it from that guy all game long.

Looks like one more game to go. Thank heavens baseball is about ready to start up. Wildcat Football is the marquee program now and for the foreseeable future. Take the watered down home games away and Weber State was 7-5 at home.