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Future of Sac State Football

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UniversityGardens

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The program seems steeped in mediocrity. There is constant turnover in the coaching staff, the stadium is more suited for track and field, and the fan support in the greater Sacramento region is poor.

Fresno State is a regional team that continues to draw well and is well funded. FSU is the regional team for the San Joaqun Valley. CAL and Stanford own the Bay Area, USC and UCLA same in LA and SDSU in San Diego.

Sac State, and UC Davis for that matter, should consider dropping football. There is no regional support given the economic realities for both schools. Sac State is getting squeezed. Better to pour what limited funds Sac State has into the basketball program aka build a 6,500 seat arena and event center.

Sac State should follow the lead of UOP and re-direct resources toward other sports. It is a shame but it is the economic reality of the region.
 
UniversityGardens said:
The program seems steeped in mediocrity. There is constant turnover in the coaching staff, the stadium is more suited for track and field, and the fan support in the greater Sacramento region is poor.

Fresno State is a regional team that continues to draw well and is well funded. FSU is the regional team for the San Joaqun Valley. CAL and Stanford own the Bay Area, USC and UCLA same in LA and SDSU in San Diego.

Sac State, and UC Davis for that matter, should consider dropping football. There is no regional support given the economic realities for both schools. Sac State is getting squeezed. Better to pour what limited funds Sac State has into the basketball program aka build a 6,500 seat arena and event center.

Sac State should follow the lead of UOP and re-direct resources toward other sports. It is a shame but it is the economic reality of the region.
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Constant turnover? Sperbeck was here 7 seasons. Prior to him, Mooshagian was here for four seasons.Bigger universities, including the in-states you mentioned, have more constant coaching turnover. E.g. Mike McIntyre lasted on three seasons at SJSU before leaving for Colorado. Also, Brady Hoke, only two seasons at SDSU before accepting the job at Michigan.

And what exactly has UOP gained by allocating all funds to Oly sports? Nothing. They didn't win a Big West title in basketball after doing so and haven't done so in the WCC neither. And how long ago did they drop football? A decade or so ago. Nothing to show for it. Same at CSUN.

Are you sure you're about what talking about? It really seems like you're not.
 
While this new guy is talking out his rear on Sac's having to consider dropping football, PGP is correct in fixing GEH's response. UOP dropped football in '95, yet experienced some pretty heady things during the mid-2000s, and most serious fans are ecstatic at having earned a move back to the WCC. And bashing UOP for failing to win a WCC title is WAY premature as last season was their first in the league. Expecting a new team to take out the likes of Gonzaga straight off the top is ludicrous. That would be like expecting Colorado or Utah to win the Pac-12 in their first season. Not likely, to say the least....
 
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Pacific got the auto bid to the Big Dance in '06 and '13 as well as Big West conference titles in '06 and '10
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2 title wins 10 years after the fact. That is like making 10 investment that will pay you $25 interest in 10 years. Great investment.
 
Super Hornet said:
While this new guy is talking out his rear on Sac's having to consider dropping football, PGP is correct in fixing GEH's response. UOP dropped football in '95, yet experienced some pretty heady things during the mid-2000s, and most serious fans are ecstatic at having earned a move back to the WCC. And bashing UOP for failing to win a WCC title is WAY premature as last season was their first in the league. Expecting a new team to take out the likes of Gonzaga straight off the top is ludicrous. That would be like expecting Colorado or Utah to win the Pac-12 in their first season. Not likely, to say the least....
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You missed the point, SH. tUOP was the only private school in the BW. They didn't face the state budget issues like 99 % of the BW. Cutting football meant investing and elevating the oly sports. They hardly did. The tigers should have to arrived to the WCC as a competitive force.

Also, your comparison is bad. college football and basketball don't compare equally. Further, Utah went up in competition from the MWC. Colorado had been a BXII bottom dweller before accepting the PAC invite. Nobody in their right mind expected either to be a force in the PAC upon arrival.
 
I mentioned turnover in STAFF yet GoldenEagle and the other poster completely missed the point: There are upwards of 20 coaches on this staff, many of whom come-and-go. This program has very little continuity which directly impacts player development and recruiting.

There is very little Alumni support (I went to the CAL game - the band outnumbered Alumni) as well as a very small fan base (I've been to high school games with larger crowds). Eliminating the football program and pouring/diverting those funds into the basketball program will bring Alumni back and energize the campus. But I suppose this concept is beyond the scope and intelligence of GoldenEagle and Super Hornet.
 
UniversityGardens said:
I mentioned turnover in STAFF yet GoldenEagle and the other poster completely missed the point: There are upwards of 20 coaches on this staff, many of whom come-and-go. This program has very little continuity which directly impacts player development and recruiting.

There is very little Alumni support (I went to the CAL game - the band outnumbered Alumni) as well as a very small fan base (I've been to high school games with larger crowds). Eliminating the football program and pouring/diverting those funds into the basketball program will bring Alumni back and energize the campus. But I suppose this concept is beyond the scope and intelligence of GoldenEagle and Super Hornet.
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Incorrect. We had 2 buses packed to the gills that took fans from campus to the Cal game on top of others who went on their own, and there were plenty.

There is no way an entire coaching staff will sustain continuity in D1. Coaches will leave for better positions, better coaches will be hired on to replace under performing ones, etc. Having a HC for 7 years is not that common in this day and age of D1 football, yet that is what we had here and we saw unprecedented D1 success during those years.

Now the future of this program largely depends on how the leaderships positions (Prez & AD) are filled. So until we have some answers then this program will remain in a holding pattern. At this point the call to pull the plug on football is absurd. If we were only winning 1 or 2 games a year for a successive amount of time, or have yet to win a D1 game this season then maybe UG’s calls would have some traction. Until then it’s safe to dismiss those absurdities.
 
UniversityGardens said:
I mentioned turnover in STAFF yet GoldenEagle and the other poster completely missed the point: There are upwards of 20 coaches on this staff, many of whom come-and-go. This program has very little continuity which directly impacts player development and recruiting.

There is very little Alumni support (I went to the CAL game - the band outnumbered Alumni) as well as a very small fan base (I've been to high school games with larger crowds). Eliminating the football program and pouring/diverting those funds into the basketball program will bring Alumni back and energize the campus. But I suppose this concept is beyond the scope and intelligence of GoldenEagle and Super Hornet.
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You sir, are a troll. An ignorant troll at that. :tothehand:

The endeavor by this school is to use athletics as one of the front doors to the school. There are 7,000-10,000 Hornet fans in the football stadium on fall home Saturdays. There are 800 basketball fans.

Football being the revenue generator for the department, programs like golf, beach VB, Track and CC, etc. wouldn't exist as essentially -0- people attend those events and are a financial draw on the department. If you drop football, you would be forced to drop the overall sports offered at Sac from 21 to around 16. Plus, you'd lose the 7,000-10,000 alumni who regularly attend games in person. I live 2,300 miles away and 'attend' every game through the internet feeds. So, in actuality, there are many, many more fans in 'attendance'. You drop football, you drop me as an alumni, pretty simple.

Of the 12 football coaches, only half are making livable wages. BBall has had seven years and still hasn't cracked .500 and no significant gain in attendance. So these magical diverted funds are all a figment in your head.

If you look-up ope.edu and factually see the BBall team provides marginal revenue to the department. So any argument about financial benefits is ludicrous, or ignorant.

UOP is a power, cough, cough. So is Chico, SF, Sonoma, LB, Northridge, Santa Clara. :dunce:
 
UniversityGardens said:
I mentioned turnover in STAFF yet GoldenEagle and the other poster completely missed the point: There are upwards of 20 coaches on this staff, many of whom come-and-go. This program has very little continuity which directly impacts player development and recruiting.

There is very little Alumni support (I went to the CAL game - the band outnumbered Alumni) as well as a very small fan base (I've been to high school games with larger crowds). Eliminating the football program and pouring/diverting those funds into the basketball program will bring Alumni back and energize the campus. But I suppose this concept is beyond the scope and intelligence of GoldenEagle and Super Hornet.
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Garden gnome, you keep revealing your absent understanding of college football...football period. It only takes a season to adjust to the schematics of a new position coach or coordinator. The only position that has seen much turnover lately at Sac St is O-line. And this season, the o-line has preformed satisfactorily.

With all your intelligence, you should know better than to speak factually. CSUN, like UOP, eliminated football over ten years ago. Guess what, attendance for sports such as basketball hasn't increased significantly at all since. Nor were the alumni and campus re-energized. Did you really miss that with your mighty scope and intelligence???

It was ludicrous of you think to think that a fool like you could come and this board with such a pessimistic, trolling rant and find support! Please run back to your garden, gnome!
 
Everyone relax, football isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Not many people would care about a football-less athletic department and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that...just look at most of the BW membership. :coffee:
 
Thanks SD.

Football is not going to be dropped.

Accept for this year Sac State has been the top attended football program in the Big Sky way after Montana and Montana state of course, but still number 3 in attendance in a 13 team conference. And all that despite mostly losing seasons. If you are talking about dropping football due to attendance than you might as well drop the entire Big Sky. And comparing the Big Sky football teams to the Pac 12 and Mountain West programs...?????....seriously.

And for all you UOP fans, it was indeed a sad day 2 decades ago when UOP dropped football. Loved that stadium and going to the games there. And it was sad when many other schools dropped their programs....Northridge, Cal Poly Pomona, San Francisco State, Cal State Hayward, Sonoma State, Chico State, St Mary's, Santa Clara, Long Beach State, Cal State Fullerton, UC Riverside, etc. Sad to see all those programs go. Enough of that. 24 CSU schools with only 6 remaining (SDSU, SFU, SJSU,Cal Poly , SLO, Sac State and Humboldt State ) left with football. Me thinks the state budget can handle 6 of our 24 CSU schools fielding a football program. Only 3 remaining at Div I A, 2 and Div I AA and one at Div. II

Leave it alone already and be supportive and allow the remaining programs a place to offer athletes to play football at the 4 year state university level in California. We have the top state university system in the US and need these 6 remaining programs to stay in tact and be supported and admired for being able to do what they did to stay alive and fighting on and represent this great university system on the football field and in the classroom and community.

Go Sac State.
 
Years ago Santa Clara and UC Davis proposed allowing colleges to have a DI program overall with one sport at D2 (football). After the NCAA turned that down, Santa Clara dropped football. That might have kept a few programs going like UOP if it was allowed.
 
Montana and Montana State get into the playoffs with just one more win and one less win than Sac State this year. The Hornets continue to be on the verge. 4 teams in the Big Sky had better records than Sac , two teams had the same overall record at 7-5 and six other big Sky programs had worse records (all losing records for those 6)
 
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