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G5/FCS Trickledown Realignment…

Agree with the thread. If UC Berkeley could press UCLA via Univ of CA network to fund them $1M year. We SAC STATE should push CSU system to press Fresno & San Jose State into lobbying MTN WEST to bring in SAC STATE! New Pres build 5K seating arena and the Revenue Share of Mtn West fund Stadium Upgrades!
Let’s copy the UC Berkeley model to leverage our CSU family to help,
 
Pounder said:
https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-conferences-and-players-plot

• Who should the Mountain West Conference be exploring as potential expansion targets? My mind immediately went to a handful of California-based Big Sky Conference members such as UC Davis, Cal Poly and Sacramento State. But I’m told by an industry insider that those options won’t easily fly.

• There could be firm opposition from San Jose State, Nevada and Fresno State, who all regularly recruit California, per the source. Also, there’s a sizeable investment required to make the jump up.

• The same insider waved off current Big Sky member Montana as a possible Mountain West Conference target. He said: “Montana and Montana State will stay together.”

Strike now!

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/6/28/media-center-di-council-proposes-changes-to-membership-requirements-for-fbs-schools.aspx
 
My question to those who want to attempt to go FBS: when the Pac is finally dead, and the SEC and B1G start attacking The Big 12 and ACC, do you really think there will be the FBS we know today? Or that we’ve known as the Division 1AA before that? Or, will the lesser programs find themselves in a new world and have to start separating their pride from reality?

I have been lucky to know a few people who gave me some insider knowledge of how SJSU maneuvered its way into the MWC, and it wasn’t easy. And, it arguably occurred during a time when they desired a spot in a much more powerful MWC. The MWC schools have a vision of themselves as potential and deserving power 5 (c’mon… really 2) schools. They operate under a cloud of delusion and fantasy. They see themselves as significantly closer the Alabamas and Michigans of the world than Montanas and NDSUs

Long story short - SJSU wrote a huge check. They also promised a multi-multi-million dollar facility investment. My second love Spartans had to rely on old alumni who cared for the program. There has been very little personal interest or investment by the younger, far richer, alumni. There was a story told to me when I was younger that they had been a legitimate target for the Pac 8 in the 60s or 70s. I grew up in the time where we always wondered whether we could get more than one win, and survive as a program. We escaped the Big West and WAC before they crumbled, and that was our win. However, the Spartans were always the whipping boy on and off the field. If the old WAC/MWC didn’t get a massive bowl, it was the Spartans fault. It was SJSU’s fault the tv numbers sucked as well as P5 schools avoiding scheduling. It truly sucked. When we did have success, it was a fluke, or we were never going to sustain it. We were millimeters away from being the West Coast version of Idaho or NMSU. I fear for my beloved second love Spartans that there are dark days ahead.

Okay. I got off of the original point. The MWC is always going to be the group of schools who think they’re the other Pac 10. They’ll continue to squabble and fight for the scraps, and brag they are dining on golden plates. The MWC and its schools are going to be shut out. The Power 2 are going to take the best 50ish schools and play in their own garden. The rest will have to create something new. I’ve said it here for a decade (before I forgot my SJHornet login info) that the bottom FBS and top FCS will eventually have to become partners.

I think the BSC is a conference, maybe merged with another like the WAC or Southland or something, who can be a top FCS school to join the group of 5. I see it becoming a group of 7 or 8 in the end. I’d rather be in a BSC who knows what it is. Schools familiar and trusting each other. Kinda like the Sun Belt. Their slow growth has become truly amazing.

We have to be brutally honest with ourselves. Hornet Stadium needs a rebuild or overhaul, and we need an arena. Yeah, we can use Golden 1, but let’s be honest with ourselves. The campus arena may be built, but I’ll be 150 years old and done with college athletics at that point. Our peers have similar standard (probably better if I’m honest) facilities. We don’t have the historical pedigree. It’s building, but doesn’t really awe others. We don’t have mega donors. We would be a sore on the behinds of SJSU, Nevada and Crap State - err… I mean Fresno State’s - recruiting efforts.

I have no knowledge of this happening, but I see it. Many see it. College athletics of my youth, my fathers youth and before, are over. I have hope in our new prez that hopefully we can navigate this new world successfully. A leap would be nice, but let’s leap on stable ground.
 
Dream Big! Be Bold and Lead!
What we’ve seen the past 4 years is that Sac State and its fans are engaged now that we’ve put a good team on the field.
Being a Mid Major FBS is a DREAM scenario for our Hornets. Having Home / Away games with SJSU / Fresno / Reno will be huge ticket sales for Hornets and both media and students will love it 100%!
Our team will never be P5 and nobody is even whispering that concept. MWC is perfect! Look how much we save in travel expenses! Road trip to Reno vs flying team to Idaho for example.
Many people don’t dream big, don’t explore every opportunity at growth. If SAC STATE isn’t making an exploratory effort then our leadership from Pres Nelson / Woods, down to our AD Orr should be on the phone looking at options that present themselves very rarely!!!
 
Dream Big! Be Bold and Lead!
What we’ve seen the past 4 years is that Sac State and its fans are engaged now that we’ve put a good team on the field.
Being a Mid Major FBS is a DREAM scenario for our Hornets. Having Home / Away games with SJSU / Fresno / Reno will be huge ticket sales for Hornets and both media and students will love it 100%!
Our team will never be P5 and nobody is even whispering that concept. MWC is perfect! Look how much we save in travel expenses! Road trip to Reno vs flying team to Idaho for example.
Many people don’t dream big, don’t explore every opportunity at growth. If SAC STATE isn’t making an exploratory effort then our leadership from Pres Nelson / Woods, down to our AD Orr should be on the phone looking at options that present themselves very rarely!!!
 
HornetFootballFan said:
Dream Big! Be Bold and Lead!
What we’ve seen the past 4 years is that Sac State and its fans are engaged now that we’ve put a good team on the field.
Being a Mid Major FBS is a DREAM scenario for our Hornets. Having Home / Away games with SJSU / Fresno / Reno will be huge ticket sales for Hornets and both media and students will love it 100%!
Our team will never be P5 and nobody is even whispering that concept. MWC is perfect! Look how much we save in travel expenses! Road trip to Reno vs flying team to Idaho for example.
Many people don’t dream big, don’t explore every opportunity at growth. If SAC STATE isn’t making an exploratory effort then our leadership from Pres Nelson / Woods, down to our AD Orr should be on the phone looking at options that present themselves very rarely!!!

I am all for dreaming! It’s that darn reality that keeps getting in the way
 
I stopped paying much attention to the shifting landscape of FBS. NIL changed the game and finally allows some true separation from the have and have nots in the college athletics world. Overall our profile fits in the MWC, however the MWC may not be overly attractive given what might be left after the flailing Pac 8/10/12 raid it to stay alive.

The bigger issue with a "move up" to FBS is the economic climate. ESPN is imploding so I have no idea where they are going to get the money to pay out their TV deals with the big boy conferences.

While it would be nice playing regional foes in all sports (Fresno, San Jose, Nevada), I don't know how a mortally wounded MWC (post Pac raid) pays the bills associated with the added scholarship, coaching salaries, and facility needs associated with a move to FBS.
 
The PAC12 will probably end up losing Colorado, Oregon, Washington. They will still have a good enough TV contract that will pay better than current MWC deal,
PAC will take SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, Maybe a Texas school?
MWC will find a TX School, Hopefully SAC ST & UCD, maybe a Midwest School. MWC TV Contract will allow finance facility upgrades. Trickle down revenues will keep MWC & PAC going. But Top Tier conferences will distance themselves further ahead. My Prediction…
 
HornetFootballFan said:
The PAC12 will probably end up losing Colorado, Oregon, Washington. They will still have a good enough TV contract that will pay better than current MWC deal,
PAC will take SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, Maybe a Texas school?
MWC will find a TX School, Hopefully SAC ST & UCD, maybe a Midwest School. MWC TV Contract will allow finance facility upgrades. Trickle down revenues will keep MWC & PAC going. But Top Tier conferences will distance themselves further ahead. My Prediction… it will be P4 and PAC 10 will be well above the mid majors $ but not elite like Big10 & SEC.
 
HornetFootballFan said:
The PAC12 will probably end up losing Colorado, Oregon, Washington. They will still have a good enough TV contract that will pay better than current MWC deal,
PAC will take SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, Maybe a Texas school?
MWC will find a TX School, Hopefully SAC ST & UCD, maybe a Midwest School. MWC TV Contract will allow finance facility upgrades. Trickle down revenues will keep MWC & PAC going. But Top Tier conferences will distance themselves further ahead. My Prediction…

Agree. The Pac is in serious trouble. Yes they will still get some TV money, but it will be significantly less per school then the other P4 programs (which is why the LA schools bailed).

Our issue isn't that we would get more money at FBS, of course we would. The issue is would that FBS money cover the increased annual operating costs with the move (more scholarships, more admin, higher coaching salaries, etc). The other side of the monetary issue is would our new President pony up the monies (increased student athletic fee, more general fund monies to athletics) to address the annual budget increase as well as find a way to get better facilities built. A move could be done, but could the admin/students/alums/donors stomach the costs to be successful at the FBS level?
 
SJSU certainly didn't use their MWC $$$ windfall to increase/improve facilities. They actually tore down half of their stadium.
And they are in the heart of multi billion dollar corporations.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
SJSU certainly didn't use their MWC $$$ windfall to increase/improve facilities. They actually tore down half of their stadium.
And they are in the heart of multi billion dollar corporations.

A lot of that was private donations. A lot of those billion dollar corps have alums that don’t want the Spartans to disappear. I’m glad they are upgrading, but, growing up in that stadium, it pissed me off seeing them tear it apart. Was a completely irrational emotion.
 
SDHornet said:
HornetFootballFan said:
The PAC12 will probably end up losing Colorado, Oregon, Washington. They will still have a good enough TV contract that will pay better than current MWC deal,
PAC will take SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, Maybe a Texas school?
MWC will find a TX School, Hopefully SAC ST & UCD, maybe a Midwest School. MWC TV Contract will allow finance facility upgrades. Trickle down revenues will keep MWC & PAC going. But Top Tier conferences will distance themselves further ahead. My Prediction…

Agree. The Pac is in serious trouble. Yes they will still get some TV money, but it will be significantly less per school then the other P4 programs (which is why the LA schools bailed).

Our issue isn't that we would get more money at FBS, of course we would. The issue is would that FBS money cover the increased annual operating costs with the move (more scholarships, more admin, higher coaching salaries, etc). The other side of the monetary issue is would our new President pony up the monies (increased student athletic fee, more general fund monies to athletics) to address the annual budget increase as well as find a way to get better facilities built. A move could be done, but could the admin/students/alums/donors stomach the costs to be successful at the FBS level?

I agree SD. And, the MW would require a significant commitment to a facility overhaul. Not sure that’s something we’ll be able to commit to in the foreseeable future.
 
Pac 12 in Trouble. Weak Media deal has rumor Colorado going to Bi12!
Exodus of Oregon / UW / Arizona may follow.

PAC12 probably pick up SDSU, UNLV. Never imagined this scenario but looks like it’s playing out.

Again. Sac State & (UCD or Cow Pauly) MWC

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/pac-12-emergency-arrives-as-colorado-considers-move-to-big-12/
 
Most likely scenario in my mind is the Pac simply dying. I can see the B12 taking on Arizona State, Utah and maybe another one or two, B1G taking Oregon and UW and the rest either going Indy or going to MWC. Probably Indy route.
 
Once a contract is picked the conference has revenue and they will need to deliver games. I don’t think pac will collapse but it will re load w MWC teams and same re load of MWC like dominoes. Prediction
 
The Pac won't die. The conference owns all the NCAAT shares and whatever media deal it gets will be better than the MWC even with whoever else leaves along with CU. They'll reload with MWC and AAC programs and be a watered down conference, but still stronger than whatever the MWC is left with after they poach them. Also consider all those Pac admin folks that are raking in a cushy salary "managing" the conference. Those folks aren't going to give up their executive positions without a fight.
 
They very well may survive, but how much more will they command, and how long can they stay afloat? From the looks of it UW and Oregon are about to accept offers from the B1G or Big 12, and Big 12 wants at least one more. Arizona has been linked as that one more. Leaves Cal, Stanford, Oregon St, Arizona St., Washington St and Utah. (Side note, I kinda find it funny Utah may be asking BYU to help them get an invite to the 12 lol!)

Yeah, as I write it, I admit they still have some juice, but not much. I think a lot depends on whether the current number they’re looking at will stand if the aforementioned schools jet off. I see Arizona State and Utah asking around for a fast out. The rest don’t have too much hope. Stanford and Cal have the AAU benefits, but, terrible programs. None have signed on yet, but maybe they do add as the Pac has more recognition and name value than the MWC. Maybe a merger?
 
SJHornet - I read a report that B12 might kick BYU and replace them with U Utes! B12 now feeling elite and giving the lower B12 teams another look to see if they want to retain them?
UTAH would be better than BYU but it would be a shady move that would reduce morale.
Business is Business and these moves are most likely going to be long term commitments. I read the B12 wants even numbers so they want 1 more team!!! They seem to want U of Arizona as well.
 

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