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G5/FCS Trickledown Realignment…

Looks like the PAC is BACk?? This structure sounds like it is near complete and makes sense.
MWC will appear to lose SDSU, Boise St, and Colorado St so that they can maintain some of the Rocky Mtn TV Audience.
I believe this opens the door for our beloved team and maybe the Montanas to join MWC. The #20TV Mkt and we will thrive if we get home / away games w Fresno St, SJSU, and Reno NV. Yo me this is a perfect scenario for Hornet Athletics. 🙏🏻
https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/11-teams-will-likely-join-pac-12-expansion-dissolution-aac-hopes-paying-no-exit-fees-reports
 
If the Pac survives this by way of poaching key schools and the MWC members, this could get real interesting for some upper tiers of the FCS…
 
Rumor is Stanford is looking to go ACC by itself. Offering to not take a media share for the time being. Cal not involved, but, their AD has mentioned they have options. No idea what they are, but I imagine Big 12, ACC and even Big 10 aren’t closed doors. As for OSU and WSU, I wouldn’t doubt AAC membership is on the table along side MWC. Maybe Cal and the northwest schools take some MWC schools to the AAC? AAC at least has AAU schools, larger markets and a better media deal.

Our entry to FBS would be a major jump and totally dependent on other dominoes. We would be in a direct fight with UCD for any spot. That is unless the other went in with another conference, say the WAC, if they wanted to return to FBS (don’t they still have that ability?). Our stadium situation is what makes me think we’d always be last choice or not looked at seriously. It’ll require massive funding and donations, which we simply don’t have. Sharing with Republic and Kings would definitely be a temporary bandaid and not scream stability.

I’m kinda okay being top level FCS, and waiting to see in lower FBS and upper FCS eventually meet in the middle. How long before the power 2 and friends decide to finally just make it official, and cut everyone else out? Does anyone see them continue to play with the G5 when the contract ends and is reworked in two years?
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
Hornet25 said:
I'm sure if Sac State were invited to the bigs, it would be contingent upon them using Golden 1 for basketball and partnering with Republic FC on that downtown stadium. There are already rumblings of Sac State playing football at the new stadium when built.

Moving to a bigger conference may also give the president the courage to pull the trigger on raising fees to pay for an on campus basketball arena.

Also, Davis would have to expand their football stadium to play FBS. Hornet Stadium is already large enough. So Davis has the basketball facility, but not football. Sac State has football, but not basketball.

There has to be some investment by the school into something permenant. Leasing stadiums is like leasing a car, you have no equity and all it takes is a couple of bad years and attendance wanes to have the school pull the plug and walk away. If the school is serious longterm, they will need some skin in the game, ie. on campus facilities. Meanwhile with leasing elsewhere the current on campus facilities fall into disrepair ala UOP.

People see this investment and take you seriously. Otherwise, it is just another half ass attempt.

The facilities issue is over blown if we are joining a depleted MW. If the MW is gutted in this round of realignment, all we would need is to use Golden1 for hoops which would put urgency on President Wood to get an events center built. Hornet Stadium (with minor upgrades) could suffice in a garbage FBS conference (which is what the MW would be if their top programs are poached).

Our sports sponsorships (us and Weebs are the only BSC programs that sponsor the FBS minimum), recent football success, geographic location, media market, access to a hoops venue (Golden 1) and fertile recruiting grounds will keep us atop the list of candidates to backfill a poached MW. There is some concern about our new leadership being on the ball regarding conference realignment, but given President Wood is coming from SDSU and everything I am hearing is that he is extremely supportive of Hornet athletics alleviates my concern of a missed opportunity to make a move if it is a viable option.
 
SJHornet2 said:
Rumor is Stanford is looking to go ACC by itself. Offering to not take a media share for the time being. Cal not involved, but, their AD has mentioned they have options. No idea what they are, but I imagine Big 12, ACC and even Big 10 aren’t closed doors. As for OSU and WSU, I wouldn’t doubt AAC membership is on the table along side MWC. Maybe Cal and the northwest schools take some MWC schools to the AAC? AAC at least has AAU schools, larger markets and a better media deal.

Our entry to FBS would be a major jump and totally dependent on other dominoes. We would be in a direct fight with UCD for any spot. That is unless the other went in with another conference, say the WAC, if they wanted to return to FBS (don’t they still have that ability?). Our stadium situation is what makes me think we’d always be last choice or not looked at seriously. It’ll require massive funding and donations, which we simply don’t have. Sharing with Republic and Kings would definitely be a temporary bandaid and not scream stability.

I’m kinda okay being top level FCS, and waiting to see in lower FBS and upper FCS eventually meet in the middle. How long before the power 2 and friends decide to finally just make it official, and cut everyone else out? Does anyone see them continue to play with the G5 when the contract ends and is reworked in two years?

There's too much money associated with the Pac for the last members standing to just walk from it, and that's without a TV deal after this season. Any leftover Pac schools that join the AAC or MW would be gutted financially in the move and would have to drastically cut their athletics budget to be in line with the paltry income in either of those conferences.

Also not worried about "fighting" over a spot in the MW with the dungpilers. Depending on how depleted the MW after the Pac poach, they could want us both. And if the MW doesn't want both, I would expect the CSU to throw its weight around in getting us in to be along side fellow CSU's in the MW.

The latest EADA data (FY 21) has us at a $35M athletics budget ($5.68M FB, $2M MBB, $1.5 WBB). With an enrollment exceeding 30k, the administration wouldn't have an issue ramping the athletics budget up to meet FBS numbers.
 
SDHornet said:
SJHornet2 said:
Rumor is Stanford is looking to go ACC by itself. Offering to not take a media share for the time being. Cal not involved, but, their AD has mentioned they have options. No idea what they are, but I imagine Big 12, ACC and even Big 10 aren’t closed doors. As for OSU and WSU, I wouldn’t doubt AAC membership is on the table along side MWC. Maybe Cal and the northwest schools take some MWC schools to the AAC? AAC at least has AAU schools, larger markets and a better media deal.

Our entry to FBS would be a major jump and totally dependent on other dominoes. We would be in a direct fight with UCD for any spot. That is unless the other went in with another conference, say the WAC, if they wanted to return to FBS (don’t they still have that ability?). Our stadium situation is what makes me think we’d always be last choice or not looked at seriously. It’ll require massive funding and donations, which we simply don’t have. Sharing with Republic and Kings would definitely be a temporary bandaid and not scream stability.

I’m kinda okay being top level FCS, and waiting to see in lower FBS and upper FCS eventually meet in the middle. How long before the power 2 and friends decide to finally just make it official, and cut everyone else out? Does anyone see them continue to play with the G5 when the contract ends and is reworked in two years?

There's too much money associated with the Pac for the last members standing to just walk from it, and that's without a TV deal after this season. Any leftover Pac schools that join the AAC or MW would be gutted financially in the move and would have to drastically cut their athletics budget to be in line with the paltry income in either of those conferences.

Also not worried about "fighting" over a spot in the MW with the dungpilers. Depending on how depleted the MW after the Pac poach, they could want us both. And if the MW doesn't want both, I would expect the CSU to throw its weight around in getting us in to be along side fellow CSU's in the MW.

The latest EADA data (FY 21) has us at a $35M athletics budget ($5.68M FB, $2M MBB, $1.5 WBB). With an enrollment exceeding 30k, the administration wouldn't have an issue ramping the athletics budget up to meet FBS numbers.

My question is, what money is lingering with the Pac? Other than possibly a few million in the name, if cal and/or Stanford ditch, there’s nothing left. They have no media deal, and no power brokers without the bay schools. I think ESPN could be interested as they don’t really have a west coast partner currently, but it won’t demand too much more than the current AAC deal.

I guess a conference could take us both, but, the desperation would have to be high. We’re a top 50 market, but, not that huge. I envision a network exec assuming picking one would cover all bases in the market. I’m honestly interested to know if San Jose and/or Fresno would try to lobby for us, or continue to delude themselves into thinking they own this market. I’d also be interested to see which institution (is or UC Shit box) has more alums living in the market. I know the CSUs lobbied hard for Bakersfield in the Big West, but, I’m not sure I see the MWC CSUs doing the same. Not sure why.
 
SJHornet2 said:
SDHornet said:
SJHornet2 said:
Rumor is Stanford is looking to go ACC by itself. Offering to not take a media share for the time being. Cal not involved, but, their AD has mentioned they have options. No idea what they are, but I imagine Big 12, ACC and even Big 10 aren’t closed doors. As for OSU and WSU, I wouldn’t doubt AAC membership is on the table along side MWC. Maybe Cal and the northwest schools take some MWC schools to the AAC? AAC at least has AAU schools, larger markets and a better media deal.

Our entry to FBS would be a major jump and totally dependent on other dominoes. We would be in a direct fight with UCD for any spot. That is unless the other went in with another conference, say the WAC, if they wanted to return to FBS (don’t they still have that ability?). Our stadium situation is what makes me think we’d always be last choice or not looked at seriously. It’ll require massive funding and donations, which we simply don’t have. Sharing with Republic and Kings would definitely be a temporary bandaid and not scream stability.

I’m kinda okay being top level FCS, and waiting to see in lower FBS and upper FCS eventually meet in the middle. How long before the power 2 and friends decide to finally just make it official, and cut everyone else out? Does anyone see them continue to play with the G5 when the contract ends and is reworked in two years?

There's too much money associated with the Pac for the last members standing to just walk from it, and that's without a TV deal after this season. Any leftover Pac schools that join the AAC or MW would be gutted financially in the move and would have to drastically cut their athletics budget to be in line with the paltry income in either of those conferences.

Also not worried about "fighting" over a spot in the MW with the dungpilers. Depending on how depleted the MW after the Pac poach, they could want us both. And if the MW doesn't want both, I would expect the CSU to throw its weight around in getting us in to be along side fellow CSU's in the MW.

The latest EADA data (FY 21) has us at a $35M athletics budget ($5.68M FB, $2M MBB, $1.5 WBB). With an enrollment exceeding 30k, the administration wouldn't have an issue ramping the athletics budget up to meet FBS numbers.

My question is, what money is lingering with the Pac? Other than possibly a few million in the name, if cal and/or Stanford ditch, there’s nothing left. They have no media deal, and no power brokers without the bay schools. I think ESPN could be interested as they don’t really have a west coast partner currently, but it won’t demand too much more than the current AAC deal.

I guess a conference could take us both, but, the desperation would have to be high. We’re a top 50 market, but, not that huge. I envision a network exec assuming picking one would cover all bases in the market. I’m honestly interested to know if San Jose and/or Fresno would try to lobby for us, or continue to delude themselves into thinking they own this market. I’d also be interested to see which institution (is or UC isht box) has more alums living in the market. I know the CSUs lobbied hard for Bakersfield in the Big West, but, I’m not sure I see the MWC CSUs doing the same. Not sure why.

There's millions in NCAA credits due to the Pac annually, those go away if the Pac dissolves. A watered down Pac brand is and always will be greater than the MW and AAC, especially once they poach the top programs from those conferences. Yes there's no media deal, but the Pac will get one, ESPN has limited west coast content (hell, we're making ESPN 2 times slots!) and with the most valuable programs from the AAC and MW, they will get a deal that surpasses what either of those conference will offer. Pundits are throwing around a $12M-$15M per school number based on the remaining Pac and best of the rest programs. I think the Pac will live on unless the leftovers get golden tickets into the B1G/B12.

Regarding our hypothetical inclusion in the MW, there will be a TV executive somewhere that will dictate to the MW who to add. If they deem that both programs are needed to maximize value, then both will get added. In a coin flip situation, I see the CSU lobbying on our behalf. A lot will depend on who and how many MW programs get poached.
 
Sac State is #20 TV Market. That is valuable. Truthfully I think PAC rebuilds even if Stan / CAl bounce. They have resources and more money than a cut to Amer / MWC.

The MWC is still a great upgrade conference G5 even if SDSU / Boise St / CSU leave as rumored.

Our fan base and our natural geography for home / away games w FSU, SJSU, Reno & Davis (yolo Cty TV market) would fill our stadium! Sell Outs!

I like the Big Sky but our visitor stands are mostly empty because of travel distance to our league teams for fans.

Mind you if we are playing the rest of the MWC let’s not act like the conference would be bad? We would have a nice overall upgrade in competition.
 
If the Basketball facility is the issue, I think we can skid by that with a fee increase and a promise to build and using the G1C and the WELL in the interim.

I know the WELL is a student facility, but when we got close to being the BST Host, the school was prepared to have those games on campus in front of 3000+ in the WELL with temporary seating. That could be accommodated for a few years if need be. Portland State played off campus for two years when their remodel happened. Give IM Leagues Yosemite Hall. The open space with the indoor track in the WELL is HUGE and could be a passable facility for a couple years.
 
HornetFootballFan said:
Sac State is #20 TV Market. That is valuable. Truthfully I think PAC rebuilds even if Stan / CAl bounce. They have resources and more money than a cut to Amer / MWC.

The MWC is still a great upgrade conference G5 even if SDSU / Boise St / CSU leave as rumored.

Our fan base and our natural geography for home / away games w FSU, SJSU, Reno & Davis (yolo Cty TV market) would fill our stadium! Sell Outs!

I like the Big Sky but our visitor stands are mostly empty because of travel distances to most of our league universities fans. We only have 2 reasonably close (CP / UCD)

Mind you if we are playing the rest of the MWC let’s not act like the conference would be bad? We would have a nice overall upgrade in competition.
 
Any graphic artists in this chat? I’d love to have a nice graphic for our #20TV Market SAC STATE with the Mountain West Team Map minus SDSU, CSU, Boise St, UNLV leaving for New PAAC.

Feels like UNLV tv mkt and academics are a better fit than FSU? However FSU has a better athletic program than UNLV.. TBD

I’m thinking add SAC ST / Montana & Montana ST.

You guys think they would want Univ San Diego or UCD or SLO?

I think Rebuilt PAAC will happen if Stanford goes ACC or Independent.

Would be great if somebody could make a sweet graphic.
Showing MWC that our fan base is supportive if we can be in Conf w Reno, SJSU and hopefully FSU? Great Schedule for us to fill visiting stands.

Thanks! Go Hornets
 
Some cool graphic like this with the next move.

The MWC Rebuild after SDSU, Boise St, Colorado St, UNLV leave in 25 season.

https://x.com/os_beaver/status/1693996464563954139?s=46&t=T6sj3Iu8MuWeVo3M5MGiRw
 

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