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Cool site. Let's hope it passes.
Cool site. Let's hope it passes.
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I agree....I know students so I will pass the word to vote for this thing.
superhornet
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Forget the Green Army. I'd MUCH rather see the Green Navy!
LOL.
LOL.
Super Hornet said:
There was a USS Hornet!
This will be interesting. I was a student when the RWEC was on the ballot and it was by far the most talked about thing on campus. I specifically recall most of my professors against the measure as they saw it as money being taken from students and pumped into athletics rather than into their respective “educational” departments. I remember it clearly. I had a differential equations class and the bitter professor (I think he was from New Zealand or something, he had a British accent and was very mean) wouldn’t stop bitching about how the math department was broke and how education needs more money. I guess the socialist country he came from gave more towards education than the 55% that is currently allocated by the CA state budget.
I also think it was one of the largest turnouts for a campus election ever. It was done prior to the electronic voting they have now so voting areas ran out of ballots and were short staffed, it was a complete disaster. The votes were close as students flocked to get their voice heard. The anti rec center folks stuck to their “we students can’t afford a fee raise” where as the pro rec center folks touted the lack of current facilities and fee structure as their main sticking point.
Here is an exert from an article that ran in the State Hornet after the election:
“Need more proof that your vote matters? In last year's election, President Gonzalez was given the green light to build the RWEC and spend almost $200 million in student fees over the next 30 years by a vote that went roughly like this: 2,750 in favor, 2,200 opposed and 22,000 abstaining. And that was record turnout. If just two percent more of the campus had turned out to vote against the RWEC, the future of Sac State would be quite different.”
http://media.www.statehornet.com/media/storage/paper1146/news/2005/04/06/Opinion/Campus.Elections.Apathetic.As.Ever-2424136.shtml
Looking back, I am glad I voted in favor of the RWEC as it will be a key component of the campus. However I am disappointed in the final product as the original had a bowling alley and other amenities that would have actually gave students a cool place to hang out in. Hopefully the current students have foresight and see what a great addition this measure can bring to the campus. I wish the athletic department good luck in combating the negativity that has undoubtedly been raised during this measure’s campaign.
I also think it was one of the largest turnouts for a campus election ever. It was done prior to the electronic voting they have now so voting areas ran out of ballots and were short staffed, it was a complete disaster. The votes were close as students flocked to get their voice heard. The anti rec center folks stuck to their “we students can’t afford a fee raise” where as the pro rec center folks touted the lack of current facilities and fee structure as their main sticking point.
Here is an exert from an article that ran in the State Hornet after the election:
“Need more proof that your vote matters? In last year's election, President Gonzalez was given the green light to build the RWEC and spend almost $200 million in student fees over the next 30 years by a vote that went roughly like this: 2,750 in favor, 2,200 opposed and 22,000 abstaining. And that was record turnout. If just two percent more of the campus had turned out to vote against the RWEC, the future of Sac State would be quite different.”
http://media.www.statehornet.com/media/storage/paper1146/news/2005/04/06/Opinion/Campus.Elections.Apathetic.As.Ever-2424136.shtml
Looking back, I am glad I voted in favor of the RWEC as it will be a key component of the campus. However I am disappointed in the final product as the original had a bowling alley and other amenities that would have actually gave students a cool place to hang out in. Hopefully the current students have foresight and see what a great addition this measure can bring to the campus. I wish the athletic department good luck in combating the negativity that has undoubtedly been raised during this measure’s campaign.
superhornet
Active member
Green Cookie Monster said:
Check your history, GCM. There wasn't A USS HORNET. There were TWO USS HORNETs. One (CV-8)delivered the Doolittle Raid and then sank. The next one (CV-12) picked up returning astronauts out of the drink and is now a museum in the Bay Area. I spent a night aboard there last year. VERY nice.
superhornet
Active member
SDHornet said:
Nice check, SD. Why I only limited myself to WWII, I have no clue!
Yes, being electronic there should be a quick turnaround.
Go Measure 1! Go Hornets!
Go Measure 1! Go Hornets!
Measure 1 failed by 14 percentage points...basically it wasn't even close. 
I'm not surprised given the current economy. So with that said and done, where will the cuts be made? I say men's and women's golf can get the axe for starters.
http://media.www.statehornet.com/media/storage/paper1146/news/2009/04/29/News/Torres.Elected.Asi.President.Athletics.Fee.Increase.Fails-3732169.shtml
I'm not surprised given the current economy. So with that said and done, where will the cuts be made? I say men's and women's golf can get the axe for starters.http://media.www.statehornet.com/media/storage/paper1146/news/2009/04/29/News/Torres.Elected.Asi.President.Athletics.Fee.Increase.Fails-3732169.shtml
The seniors had to pay zero, juniors not much and this would not have taken effect until three years from now. Hopefully the economy is back up by then. Very short sightedness by the students.
Can't cut women's golf as it is a core Big Sky sport. Men's golf and soccer are probably on the chopping block as each is in a separate conference and not required for Big Sky membership. Same for gymnastics, but I don't see that program going anywhere as it has been highly successful.
Gonzo said he had authority to raise the increase without a student vote, but decided to put it to vote at the last moment (last three weeks). Not sure why he did that. The president of SDSU passed a fee increase after the students rejected raised athletic fees during a referendum.
From an outsider, not on campus, I didn't understand the message of this increase. If you read the green army website it said the increase would help build practice fields, a new arena, tuition expenses, etc. I think it should have addressed tuition increases only as the students have already been burned on the RWEC vote when an arena was promised then and now it is being promised again.
History dictates that the athletic program will now start a slow downslide into Suck State again for the next decade until a vote is held again with a fresh crop of students.
Damn, just when we were starting to hit our stride a whack to the knees will kill momentum.
Can't cut women's golf as it is a core Big Sky sport. Men's golf and soccer are probably on the chopping block as each is in a separate conference and not required for Big Sky membership. Same for gymnastics, but I don't see that program going anywhere as it has been highly successful.
Gonzo said he had authority to raise the increase without a student vote, but decided to put it to vote at the last moment (last three weeks). Not sure why he did that. The president of SDSU passed a fee increase after the students rejected raised athletic fees during a referendum.
From an outsider, not on campus, I didn't understand the message of this increase. If you read the green army website it said the increase would help build practice fields, a new arena, tuition expenses, etc. I think it should have addressed tuition increases only as the students have already been burned on the RWEC vote when an arena was promised then and now it is being promised again.
History dictates that the athletic program will now start a slow downslide into Suck State again for the next decade until a vote is held again with a fresh crop of students.
Damn, just when we were starting to hit our stride a whack to the knees will kill momentum.
I didn’t know women’s golf was a core Big Sky sport. I didn’t know this was not even on the ballot until 3 weeks prior to election day. That was an awful decision that will cost them dearly. Something of such a large impact on student fees needs at least 2 months of hardcore marketing and spin doctor magic from supporters to even have a chance at success. And I agree with GCM about the message of the increase (I only had the green army website to go off of). Assuming Gonzales doesn’t forcibly raise fees for athletics (he should in my opinion) Sac State athletics will be in a serious bind. I hate to say it but it’s time to seriously consider moving out of the Big Sky. Given the current economic climate, I would think that it is just too expensive to send the teams traveling to Montana, Utah, Idaho and Washington for every Big Sky event. The fact is if it wasn’t for football, Sac State wouldn’t even be in the Big Sky.
With that said, given the fact that FCS playoffs are expanding to 20 teams (next year or the year after) the Great West Conference may be granted an automatic qualifier. If that happens, it might be wise for Sac State to move into the Big West for all its athletics and have the football team compete in the pathetic GWC. Sac State would still have to travel quite a bit if it was in the Big West but I would assume most of it would be by bus and the travel would be in state so I would think this would be a lot cheaper than the current travel expenses.
I don’t necessarily see a slide in the athletics due to this not passing; I just see the athletics staying at its current level with maybe a slight drop in performance. I think the biggest down side is the facilities are going to stay in the current crappy condition, which will affect recruiting and overall image of the athletic department.
With that said, given the fact that FCS playoffs are expanding to 20 teams (next year or the year after) the Great West Conference may be granted an automatic qualifier. If that happens, it might be wise for Sac State to move into the Big West for all its athletics and have the football team compete in the pathetic GWC. Sac State would still have to travel quite a bit if it was in the Big West but I would assume most of it would be by bus and the travel would be in state so I would think this would be a lot cheaper than the current travel expenses.
I don’t necessarily see a slide in the athletics due to this not passing; I just see the athletics staying at its current level with maybe a slight drop in performance. I think the biggest down side is the facilities are going to stay in the current crappy condition, which will affect recruiting and overall image of the athletic department.
StungAlum
Active member
As an alum, I feel betrayed by the students. As if they are the only ones that have anything to do with the campus or athletics, alums that donate should've have been allowed to vote as well.
I really despise the mentallity that some Sac State students display with regard to athletics, it's absolutely sickening.
I really despise the mentallity that some Sac State students display with regard to athletics, it's absolutely sickening.
SDHornet said:
I agree, this measure was just dropped in the election the last three weeks, you need a long time to spell out what the money is for and have successful focus groups and support by many large student organizations. The admin should have learned their lesson with the REC vote, that took alot of lobbying.
I think Gonzo needs to executive order pass this measure.
And I hope the trustees raise tuition by 20% this year, that will teach the little bastards that nothing is free. I am very disappointed in the students.
