GRIZZ obsession with MAC

[talhadfoursteals]

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2009/07/26/sports/sports02.txt

You all should head on over to EGRIZZ and see what the montana faithful are saying about our coach.
Its not very friendly...
In my opinion:
MAC= CLASS, SPORTSMANSHIP, AND INTEGRITY (something that most UM fans WILL never see)...

 

[weberwildcat]

Ya, Mac says a few good things about UM and they wig out on him???? WTF??

 

[smjcpa1]

It is because they know that Mac is a better and more proven coach than Hauck, and they are scared that Weber will be able to knock them off. :mrgreen:

 

[talhadfoursteals]

The funny thing is that Hauck inherited his teams and success. Mac has literally rebuilt Weber's program since taking over. In my opinion, thats proof enough about who the better coach is.

 

[mtgrizfankb1]

Sorry but you cant blame a coach for being hired to a team that has been the best in the bigsky for 15+ years. Ya mac is a good coach and 90% of griz fans know that. But some of the things he says about the griz is just a joke. You hear BH saying weber is not impressive or any smack??? infact after we but you behind the woodshed in the playoffs BH said "Weber was a great team, they made a few mistakes and we didnt make many. Overall that was a team that is good enough to beat anyone." ya sounds real classless. You weber fans get your panties in a bunch cause you won a SHARE of the the big sky conf. and you made the playoffs. Well truth is the griz have earned bragging rights. win the bigsky for 10+ years and never fail to make the playoffs in 15+ then you can earn the rights all the griz players and fans have.

at the end of the day if you went to a griz game, then went to a weber game. The griz game would be the one you remember 10 years later.




Tradition, pride, Winning, championships, atmosphere - you have to have it all to be the best

 

[weberwildcat]

Sorry but you cant blame a coach for being hired to a team that has been the best in the bigsky for 15+ years. Ya mac is a good coach and 90% of griz fans know that. But some of the things he says about the griz is just a joke. You hear BH saying weber is not impressive or any smack??? infact after we but you behind the woodshed in the playoffs BH said "Weber was a great team, they made a few mistakes and we didnt make many. Overall that was a team that is good enough to beat anyone." ya sounds real classless. You weber fans get your panties in a bunch cause you won a SHARE of the the big sky conf. and you made the playoffs. Well truth is the griz have earned bragging rights. win the bigsky for 10+ years and never fail to make the playoffs in 15+ then you can earn the rights all the griz players and fans have.

at the end of the day if you went to a griz game, then went to a weber game. The griz game would be the one you remember 10 years later.




Tradition, pride, Winning, championships, atmosphere - you have to have it all to be the best

The Mac not being impressed thing was regarding being intimidated by the WA-Griz home crowd. Not the footblal team.

 

[WILDCAT]

Sorry but you cant blame a coach for being hired to a team that has been the best in the bigsky for 15+ years. Ya mac is a good coach and 90% of griz fans know that. But some of the things he says about the griz is just a joke. You hear BH saying weber is not impressive or any smack??? infact after we but you behind the woodshed in the playoffs BH said "Weber was a great team, they made a few mistakes and we didnt make many. Overall that was a team that is good enough to beat anyone." ya sounds real classless. You weber fans get your panties in a bunch cause you won a SHARE of the the big sky conf. and you made the playoffs. Well truth is the griz have earned bragging rights. win the bigsky for 10+ years and never fail to make the playoffs in 15+ then you can earn the rights all the griz players and fans have.

at the end of the day if you went to a griz game, then went to a weber game. The griz game would be the one you remember 10 years later.




Tradition, pride, Winning, championships, atmosphere - you have to have it all to be the best

Sorry, I got to disagree with you on that, I could care less about EVER going to a Grizzlies game unless its against Weber, I dont care how great and wonderful the "Griz experiance" is, at the end of the Day, the Weber Win vs Montana in Ogden in front of only 3,000 will always be more remembered than any Griz game I would go to vs some weak d-2 team.

 

[cats25061]

Sorry but you cant blame a coach for being hired to a team that has been the best in the bigsky for 15+ years. Ya mac is a good coach and 90% of griz fans know that. But some of the things he says about the griz is just a joke. You hear BH saying weber is not impressive or any smack??? infact after we but you behind the woodshed in the playoffs BH said "Weber was a great team, they made a few mistakes and we didnt make many. Overall that was a team that is good enough to beat anyone." ya sounds real classless. You weber fans get your panties in a bunch cause you won a SHARE of the the big sky conf. and you made the playoffs. Well truth is the griz have earned bragging rights. win the bigsky for 10+ years and never fail to make the playoffs in 15+ then you can earn the rights all the griz players and fans have.

at the end of the day if you went to a griz game, then went to a weber game. The griz game would be the one you remember 10 years later.




Tradition, pride, Winning, championships, atmosphere - you have to have it all to be the best

:shock: Using your own system you havent won the Big Sky for 10 years, You have won a SHARE of it many of those years. 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2008

Mac is funny, booby is just a jerk

 

[Weber Fan]

Sorry but you cant blame a coach for being hired to a team that has been the best in the bigsky for 15+ years. Ya mac is a good coach and 90% of griz fans know that. But some of the things he says about the griz is just a joke. You hear BH saying weber is not impressive or any smack??? infact after we but you behind the woodshed in the playoffs BH said "Weber was a great team, they made a few mistakes and we didnt make many. Overall that was a team that is good enough to beat anyone." ya sounds real classless. You weber fans get your panties in a bunch cause you won a SHARE of the the big sky conf. and you made the playoffs. Well truth is the griz have earned bragging rights. win the bigsky for 10+ years and never fail to make the playoffs in 15+ then you can earn the rights all the griz players and fans have.

at the end of the day if you went to a griz game, then went to a weber game. The griz game would be the one you remember 10 years later.

Tradition, pride, Winning, championships, atmosphere - you have to have it all to be the best

Listen, bro- I've made this point before and I'll make it again: The atmosphere at a griz game is cool and all... FOR MONTANA. It's the one up game, you see. The SEC will always be better atmosphere than the MWC and the MWC will almost always be better atmosphere than the Big Sky. Don't get me wrong, I'd live in Montana if I could, but it's like comparing the Pioneer Days rodeo or the Days of '47 rodeo or the Calgary Stampede to that cool little rodeo outside of West Yellowstone.

You want atmosphere? 66,000 at LaVell Edwards Stadium is pretty cool. So is 20,000 for a Jazz playoff game or 20,000 last year for Real Salt Lake's Western Conf. Final game agains NY (don't laugh out there, that game was INSANE on the intensity meter, one of the leading soccer columnists in the nation rated it as one of the best games and best atmospheres in league history), or 40,000 for a US World Cup Qualifier agains Costa Rica three years ago. Weber State guy realizes this, but Montana guy appears to not realize it, so here it is one final (probably not) time: you are not competing against Weber State on the "coolness" meter in this state. We realize exactly who we are in this state (a FCS team against a whole lotta professional and very competitive FBS teams) and we aren't trying to say we are something we are not. Weber State, in its current state, is very different from Montana. UM is the pride most of Montana outside of Bozeman. You don't have to be a Montana grad. to root for the team (much like Utah fans here are). Most WSU fans are either Alumni or local fans. We realize this. The one up game as far as atmosphere goes will never work on us. We know. And we don't care, because we are made fun of in our own state for being fans of our team.

As far as the McBride comments on the game last year- he was spot on in answering a question from an ill-informed reporter who obviously knew nothing about where this man has coached. Utah played (and almost won) at Michigan with Mac. That's the freakin' Big House! Over 100,000 fans! He played in front of 66,000 BYU fans every other year. He coached at Kentucky and against other SEC teams. Of course the fans at Montana are going to be boisterous and loud and rowdy, but the numbers aren't there. There is no compensation for a large crowd. Compared to The Swamp or The Big House, Missoula just isn't the same. It isn't a knock on you, Montana Fan, your place is great- but isn't great like some of the places previously mentioned. Get over it. It's not ment to offend.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Why would Mac be impressed with WA-GRiz? Why would he care? He has coached in the Coliseum, at the Big House, in Cougar stadium (66,000 and that place gets loud when its against the Utes), the Swamp, and countless other stadiums that not even two or three Wa-Grizz would fit in. In my opinion, I think Wa-Grizz has a great atmosphere for FCS football, and is a great ambassador for the potential of FCS football. I wish Weber would get over 10,000 fans a game, but we have to compete with three DI FBS schools that are all within an hour of our school. No matter, MAC has had a hell of a lot more exposure to College football than me. He knows the game, is a great coach, recruiter, and knows how to develop coaches. He virtually rebuilt Utahs program (Whittingham was one of Mac's coaches). Without him, the Utes would never have known the success of the past decade, and wouldn't have the tradition they have now. Now he's doing that at Weber...

 

[503Griz]

Sorry I gotta chime in on this one.

I am a graduate of Oregon - where Autzen Stadium is statistically the loudest stadium in the country and possibly the best atmosphere for college football in the west.

Washington-Grizzly Stadium's atmosphere is right up there and is better than other FBS Stadiums I have been to including Cal, Washington State, Colorado, and Oregon State. The only place I have ever been to that really topped it was Autzen and Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska.

I went to a BYU-Hawaii game a few years back. You guys are full of crap when talking about how great that atmosphere is. The state of Utah and any school affiliated with it will never be known for tailgating, extras, atmosphere etc. Sorry - you guys can keep talking it up and make yourselves feel better, but Wash-Griz is legit. There's a reason it was named in SI's Top 25 College Football Atmospheres (yes that includes FBS) - there's a reason why a columnist from Sam Houston who'd covered Texas A&M and Texas said it is the best atmosphere he has been to.

I could understand if you guys were from Texas or an SEC state or even Washington talking up atmosphere. But you're from Utah. Come on.

 

[Weber Fan]

Sorry I gotta chime in on this one.

I am a graduate of Oregon - where Autzen Stadium is statistically the loudest stadium in the country and possibly the best atmosphere for college football in the west.

Washington-Grizzly Stadium's atmosphere is right up there and is better than other FBS Stadiums I have been to including Cal, Washington State, Colorado, and Oregon State. The only place I have ever been to that really topped it was Autzen and Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska.

I went to a BYU (aggie color theft)-Hawaii game a few years back. You guys are full of crap when talking about how great that atmosphere is. The state of Utah and any school affiliated with it will never be known for tailgating, extras, atmosphere etc. Sorry - you guys can keep talking it up and make yourselves feel better, but Wash-Griz is legit. There's a reason it was named in SI's Top 25 College Football Atmospheres (yes that includes FBS) - there's a reason why a columnist from Sam Houston who'd covered Texas A&M and Texas said it is the best atmosphere he has been to.

I could understand if you guys were from Texas or an SEC state or even Washington talking up atmosphere. But you're from Utah. Come on.

I can buy that... I don't think any of us are saying that Wash-Griz isn't legit... It's just not quite what you all think it is and the point is that playing the "atmosphere" game with Weber fans won't work.

Maybe the difference here is the definition of atmosphere. In Utah, atmosphere generally means in-stadium noise and presence... Not pregame stuff. That's cool, but it just isn't going to happen in Utah. We are too busy in this state with too many other things (i.e. 10 kids, full-time jobs with full-time college, church, etc.) to devote that much time to college football (plus the fact Sunday is not a true day of rest for a large portion of the population). Also, the overriding bulk of our population is located along the Wasatch Front, greatly diminishing the need for RV's to travel to games. Finally, take into account the fact that a large portion of the population doesn't drink... That's really what tailgating is, isn't it? The point is that it just ins't going to be what it is other places- hence our definition of atmosphere is probably different.

Back to my original point- The in-stadium atmosphere at a BYU-Utah game (the Holy War- some at eGriz didn't know what it was) is off the charts. The church vs. state tension at that game is palpable. It doesn't get nearly the play nationally that it should. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of cottonheads at games sitting on their hands, but on a lot of Saturdays it is pretty intense. The noise and tension at a Jazz playoff game is something that is almost indescribable unless you've been there (there's a reason that the noise get's play nationally). I'd talk soccer, but it will just get laughed at- so I won't except to say that I have been to some RSL games that have been pretty incredible. My point is that in Utah there are several other big ticket items to compete with on the atmosphere scale for the general population than there are in Montana (but hey, for quite activities like fishing, hunting, hiking, and overall mountain atmosphere you guys are king) due to our pop. numbers and also concentration of population in one place. In Montana, UM is #1 on that scale and hence is thought by the general population there to be the ultimate. At the same time I realize what Utah in the big picture (hence the line from my earlier post: "The SEC will always be better atmosphere than the MWC and the MWC will almost always be better atmosphere than the Big Sky.") and that some things in bigger places are better than what we have here.

Finally, I have been to Wash. State's stadium and Colorado's stadium, albiet while empty. The simple feel and size of those stadiums is nothing compared to LaVell Edwards Stadium. Seriously, why is Wash State even in the Pac-10. The stadium is small and the town is smaller. If you've never been to Pulman, it's almost eerie. You drive a few hours from the freeway in N. Idaho and get to two small towns less than 5 mins. from each other that straddle the border between Idaho and Washington that both have sizable UNIVERSITIES in them. It's the strangest thing you've ever seen. When I went there for a graduation I was dumbfounded as to why Utah and BYU aren't in the Pac-10, yet Wash. State is. As for Boulder, they probably pull in a lot of people from Denver for games, but their stadium is nothing overly special. Now for college atmosphere and lay-out, Boulder gets an A+. If Weber were integrated into the city as well as CU is, there would never be any complaints about student-life.

</long unnecessary rant>

 

[503Griz]

I was also talking noise level, etc

If you can only get loud on one game a year for your rival, that's to be expected. The game I was at BYU was really not impressive for an FBS stadium - and yes, Washington State is louder. And yes, Montana is louder.

I see your points - but I think you guys are overdoing it a bit by looking down on the FCS stigma.

 

[n.ogdencat]

DuckDuck.. nice post, and I agree with you. WA-Grizz is a great place to watch a college football game. Last December was absolutely mind blowing! When the Grizz took the field it gave me goose bumps.

However, the premise of my argument was based upon Mac's experience, not mine, not on Weber State's ability to tailgate or get a crowd, and definitely not on how well can Utah/BYU/USU tailgate (using BYU and Hawaii isn't a good account...you need to go to a conference game or an instate game, preferrably the U-Y game, commonly known as the Holy War, I don't know why its called that, there are as many mormons cheering against the Y as there are cheering for it, and the U was founded by Brigham Young...weird stuff happens in Utah). I know damn well that a football game at Weber will, in all likelyhood, I'm optomistic, never compare with a GRIZZ game, but to say that MAC is intimidated by WA-GRIZZ is ridiculous.

MAC has been to all the college venues in the SEC, most of the Big 10 (the Horse Shoe at graduation was more impressive than WA-GRIZZ, I was there, it was crazy, and the Big House). He's been to the PAC 10 stadiums and has experienced success as well as failure at each. To say that he doesn't know about big time football is kinda...well, ignorant.

And no matter, Montana is the Big DAWG of the state, whereas, Weber has to compete against three other universities within an hour of its campus. Even with a great team coming back...its still going to be really difficult drawing good crowds (I'm predicting a 10K ave). Remember the BCS bustin Utes and national ranked BYU, on top of USU who has a new coach, and has perhaps the strongest Alumni in Northern Utah (you see A plates everywhere) competing against us.

No matter...I can't wait for Wildcat football to start.

 

[weberwildcat]

Sorry I gotta chime in on this one.

I am a graduate of Oregon - where Autzen Stadium is statistically the loudest stadium in the country and possibly the best atmosphere for college football in the west.

Washington-Grizzly Stadium's atmosphere is right up there and is better than other FBS Stadiums I have been to including Cal, Washington State, Colorado, and Oregon State. The only place I have ever been to that really topped it was Autzen and Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska.

I went to a BYU (aggie color theft)-Hawaii game a few years back. You guys are full of crap when talking about how great that atmosphere is. The state of Utah and any school affiliated with it will never be known for tailgating, extras, atmosphere etc. Sorry - you guys can keep talking it up and make yourselves feel better, but Wash-Griz is legit. There's a reason it was named in SI's Top 25 College Football Atmospheres (yes that includes FBS) - there's a reason why a columnist from Sam Houston who'd covered Texas A&M and Texas said it is the best atmosphere he has been to.

I could understand if you guys were from Texas or an SEC state or even Washington talking up atmosphere. But you're from Utah. Come on.

I agree that no school in Utah compares to Wa-Griz tailgating. BYU and Utah get more fans but they don't tailgate like that. I don't even know if BYU even tailgates...it might not be allowed. If UM was as big as Utah's stadium it would just be twice as loud. But I'm also comparing a playoff game at Wa-Griz as the only game I've seen there.

 

[weberwildcat]

Hey Talhad,

enough with these 100 line paragraphs. Split that shiz up and we might actually read your posts! lol

 

[weberwildcat]

I was also talking noise level, etc

If you can only get loud on one game a year for your rival, that's to be expected. The game I was at BYU (aggie color theft) was really not impressive for an FBS stadium - and yes, Washington State is louder. And yes, Montana is louder.

I see your points - but I think you guys are overdoing it a bit by looking down on the FCS stigma.

For those that haven't been to Wa-Griz they won't believe it til they see it. I didn't. Also, BYU's stadium isn't enclosed all the way like Wa-Griz.

 

[n.ogdencat]

CATCAT...Admiral SOD!!

 

[pattenjr]

loool, cat cat. it's funny cause it's true. i really only read like the first line of each of those 1000 word essays.

 

[Weber Fan]

I was also talking noise level, etc

If you can only get loud on one game a year for your rival, that's to be expected. The game I was at BYU (aggie color theft) was really not impressive for an FBS stadium - and yes, Washington State is louder. And yes, Montana is louder.

I see your points - but I think you guys are overdoing it a bit by looking down on the FCS stigma.

First off, let me just say thanks for being respectful in your rebuttal. So many times on message boards any response is generally uneducated and mean-spirited.

Maybe the bottom line is that I need to try to go to the WSU-UM game this year! Of course, Halloween makes that kind of difficult (remember we have 10 kids a piece here), but we'll see.

We probably are overdoing it, but so probably is Montana fan in their thought that McBride was out of line in his response to a question asked to him about atmosphere.