StungAlum2
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DrMike said:
The BSC would never allow that to happen, they've got Sac by the nads.
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Guess its time to discuss the Big Sky/WAC merger talk
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The BSC would never allow that to happen, they've got Sac by the nads.
Boise State back to the MWC for all sports. :lol:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...-broncos-staying-mountain-west-conference-all
SDSU likely to follow. What a clusterfvck the BE has become. :lol:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...-broncos-staying-mountain-west-conference-all
SDSU likely to follow. What a clusterfvck the BE has become. :lol:
superhornet
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SJHornet said:
Also the Big West. They've lost UOP, thinking they'd hit the jackpot by adding Boise and SDSU for Olympic sports. Despite the addition of HI, they're going to be seriously screwed. They blew up the commissioner's Cali Bus League wet dream, and have NOTHING to show for it except increased travel costs to HI, with no true increase in regional coverage.
So there's no real danger of the Big West imploding, but they HAVE lost some serious face in this.
SJHornet
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Super Hornet said:
The Big West made a big mistake allowing themselves to be the parking lot for SDSU and BSU's Olympic programs. They thought the golden goose had landed in their lap, but in the end they were just being used. The Big West convinced itself it had finally arrived, but they had never laid the proper ground work to be a major conference. They were simply gaining attention for one and a half programs. Despite its gift, it still remained a gym league with programs still dialed into the bus league frame of mind. The Big West's hopes all laid with the BE being able to sell more MWC schools into its master vision, and keeping it all together. But, when Fresno, AF and UNLV repeatedly told the BE to f**k off, the long term viability of their new identity was greatly compromised.
What really makes me giggle are many of the Big West fans. They have convinced themselves they are a top tier conference, looking down on all the little people. They think the Pac and WCC are their main competition, even without SDSU and the like. They laugh at Sac State, and the Big Sky, and don't believe they occupy the same plane of existence. The level of arrogance is rather ripe, and really funny. It's going to be entertaining watching their reaction when their new ESPN deal is either drastically re-tooled or simply recinded. The deal was really for national power SDSU, not the perennial mediocre bus league of Southern California gyms. They need to realize the Big West and Big Sky are closer than they think.
The BW was in a different spot. BSU, SDSU, and Hawai'i fell into their laps. BSU is gone and SDSU should do the smart thing and crawl back to the MWC. I think Hawai'i is paying travel subsidies to the BW so they won't lose money on travel. I don't feel that the BW lost anything in this as they simply benefited from having the right geography to fill a need of BSU and SDSU. What they loose is all that effort spent on revising future conference schedules and time wasted dealing with BSU.Super Hornet said:
UOP did the smart thing and left to the WCC. They are now with similar small private institutions in a much stronger hoops league. No brainer on their move imo and I doubt there is anything the BW could have done to keep them from leaving.
Looks like the BSU deal with the MWC gives SDSU first shot at MWC membership. Good for SDSU, they should jump all over this invite and good on BSU for looking out for SDSU.
http://voices.idahostatesman.com/20...tain_west_pay_3_million_boise_state_exit_fees
SJHornet
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SDHornet said:
After Boise used the Aztecs to get into the Big East and Big West, only to ditch them, they most certainly have done the right thing. That being said, I don't know the Aztecs return is quite a slam dunk yet. Multiple different sources are reporting completely different information. Some say SDSU doesn't have the votes, and Boise's deal only gave SDSU the right to talk to the conference first, not gain entry first. Others say SDSU is all but in and just finishing up the fine details. Still others claim the Aztecs will still turn-up the MWC offer out of nothing but pride. Personally, I think they are back in the MWC before the end of next week, as they should.
Here is the actual language regarding SDSU in the BSU agreement with the MWC:
SDSU and the MWC have 4 weeks to hash out a deal. Hard to say who has more leverage here as SDSU staying in their BE/BW setup will destroy both their hoops and football program and the MWC needs quality programs in important media markets badly. Given the MWC’s concessions on the national TV payouts and bowl payouts, there is plenty of incentive for SDSU to sign-up now. I expect a deal to be cut with both sides claiming victory and burying the hatchet.
So I interpret this as SDSU has an outstanding invitation as of the signing of the agreement so long as SDSU and MWC can agree to terms. The MWC can make no other official invites until February 1st. Granted, MWC can ask the world of SDSU or vica versa, but what other potential member out there can bring the same thing SDSU does to the table? No one at this given time has the quality of hoops and respectable football as well as resides in a good media market. (I’m comparing them to SMU, Houston, and UTEP. BYU ain’t giving up their ESPN TV deal and Cincy wants into a big boy conference.)
SDSU and the MWC have 4 weeks to hash out a deal. Hard to say who has more leverage here as SDSU staying in their BE/BW setup will destroy both their hoops and football program and the MWC needs quality programs in important media markets badly. Given the MWC’s concessions on the national TV payouts and bowl payouts, there is plenty of incentive for SDSU to sign-up now. I expect a deal to be cut with both sides claiming victory and burying the hatchet.
SJHornet
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SDHornet said:
Thanks for the clarification. I certainly agree. The MWC would be beyond foolish not to be the Aztecs aboard. Their basketball reputation, market and tradition with the MWC members cannot be lost. Likewise, SDSU has to put their harsh words and bruised ego behind them and do what it takes to re-enter the MWC. The BE is not the more viable option, and in the long run will destroy their program. The CUSA and BE Texas schools are already looking to move to the MWC. SDSU would be the most rediculous outlier in DI college sports, and is on crack if they think they could get another school of value to be their travel partner.
superhornet
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SJHornet said:
:+1:
SDSU heading back to the MWC is all but official. Thank God some kind of logic prevailed in these realignment talks. Once the BE TV money didn’t materialize, it was a no brainer to head back to the MWC. The BE is marginally better than the MWC for football. Good to see Aztec hoops not get destroyed by going to the BW. :clap:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jan/16/San-diego-state-football-big-east/
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jan/16/San-diego-state-football-big-east/
SJHornet
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Good move Aztecs. And I'm with you SD, it has been refreshing to see two programs use some logic and return to where they belong, and quit chasing dragons. In the end, I have to believe that this move was made for its basketball program, but all their sports will benifit from the decision. The Big West was never going to be able to satisfy the Aztecs' basketball needs and aspirations. It actually kind of made sense when the C7 were still in the mix, and the Aztecs and Broncos had a Notre Dame-ACC style deal. But when they were looking at schools like Tulane, Houston and UCF instead of Georgetown, Villanova and St. John's, the MWC became the promised land, and the BWC/BE scheduling deal lost all its luster. And from all accounts, Rocky Long was angry with the BE move from the start, and had been left out of the mix. He apparently thought the Aztecs should have never left. I'm glad Sterk and th SDSU president sidelined their egos and made the right move.
If any one wants a laugh, check out Aztec Mesa. Those fans are delusional to a degree that's almost scary. The BW board is kind of a fun read too. They have some rather interesting opinions.
If any one wants a laugh, check out Aztec Mesa. Those fans are delusional to a degree that's almost scary. The BW board is kind of a fun read too. They have some rather interesting opinions.
