Harvey To Enter Draft

[LarrytheFarmer]

According to most of the "Supposed draft experts" Harvey won't be drafted AT ALL. So basically this sounds like a terrible decision for him. Hopefully he does get drafted and everything works out though.

 

[n.ogdencat]

According to most of the "Supposed draft experts" Harvey won't be drafted AT ALL. So basically this sounds like a terrible decision for him. Hopefully he does get drafted and everything works out though.

That's what I've read too. If he does get the nod, it'll be in the second round.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Will work out for the Jazz tomorrow. Heard he didn't perform very well at the combine.

 

[oldrunner]

According to most of the "Supposed draft experts" Harvey won't be drafted AT ALL. So basically this sounds like a terrible decision for him. Hopefully he does get drafted and everything works out though.

That's what I've read too. If he does get the nod, it'll be in the second round.

He is on about the same level as Huff. Where did Huff get drafted?

 

[sacstateman]

According to most of the "Supposed draft experts" Harvey won't be drafted AT ALL. So basically this sounds like a terrible decision for him. Hopefully he does get drafted and everything works out though.

That's what I've read too. If he does get the nod, it'll be in the second round.

He is on about the same level as Huff. Where did Huff get drafted?

Huff was a 6'4" forward who didn't shoot especially well from outside.....Harvey led the nation in scoring and shot a high 3 pt percentage......come on oldrunner, there is NO comparison.....Harvey is closer to Davion Berry than Huff, but I shouldn't expect you to compare him to a Wildcat.....

 

[oldrunner]

I didn't say that they were the same player or that one may be a bit better than the other. I said 'about the same level'. You can go ahead and compare him to anyone you want. Your guy would be on that same level if he were a bit bigger. :kisswink:

 

[n.ogdencat]

Harvey is a shooting guard with a nice touch. Because there is a dearth of shooters in the NBA right now, I could see Harvey getting picked up in the mid to late 2nd round if he gets drafted. He is a very unique player though with potential. He isn't the fastest player or most creative, but he does get his points. His defense is average, yet, his ability to move without the ball is fairly solid. He strengths are things that can't be taught, whereas his limitations are things that can be developed and improved upon. I see him late 2nd round. Still a draft from the Sky.

 

[Webergrad02]

Draft Express has him as the last player drafted at pick #60. Very few thought he was even close to a first rounder. I don't think Huff was even close to be considered a 2nd rounder. Did Huff even go to the combine last year?

 

[sacstateman]

Both Huff and Berry are playing in Italy (or already played i.e. finished season)...."our guy" (Mihk McKinney) told me he has try-outs with 76ers, Warriors, and Kings....I don't expect him to get much more than a possible spot on a summer league team to show his abilities to more eyes.....nothing wrong with playing overseas....I know a kid (Philip Ricci, Oregon St.) who has made a decent career playing overseas for the last 13 years...our other guy (Dylan Garrity) also told me he was going to pursue the Euro-League angle...

 

[oldrunner]

Harvey got a tryout with the Jazz yesterday. They said that they liked his shooting, but that he still had work to do. Nothing new there. They think he is a late 2nd round pick. If he is available at 54 they may consider him. :thumb: :thumb:

There is nothing wrong with playing over seas or in the D league. Sounds to me like Tyler, Mihk, and Dylan will be playing somewhere for money. It's all good. We've had many players, over the years, who have been successful on that track.

 

[sacstateman]

I think the D league is a waste of a time for most players.....D league only pays around 30,000 per year unless you are a drafted player placed in D league by the NBA team who holds your rights.....the number of guys who have made it to a NBA roster is very low, I know, I know, there have been a few but while you are playing a couple of years in the D league for peanuts you could be overseas making 100,000+ and establishing yourself to make more in the future....

 

[oldrunner]

There are other difficulties in playing over seas. You may or may not get your money at all, Their contract law may be quite different, culture shock, food, housing, friends, communications, style of play, and I'm sure to be missing some things, all are considerations. I have heard some, first hand, horror stories. Sometimes, taking a little less money in the D league makes a lot of sense to a young player. Some players land in the right spot and flourish.

 

[Dubs1]

I'm not sure where not getting drafted at all came from. When he came out he was listed late first round pick early second round. I looked at many mock drafts that go two rounds (CBS Sports, USA Today, Draft Express, etc.) All of them had him going in the second round. Yes, his stock took a hit, but no more than it would have if he came back for another year, had the same type of year, but is a year older. He made the right call this would have been his last chance to go this high in the draft.

It's sort of like Lillard, if Lillard would have came back to Weber State, odds are he would have still been drafted, but probably would have fallen into the middle to late first round pick range.

 

[Webergrad02]

I'm not sure where not getting drafted at all came from. When he came out he was listed late first round pick early second round. I looked at many mock drafts that go two rounds (CBS Sports, USA Today, Draft Express, etc.) All of them had him going in the second round. Yes, his stock took a hit, but no more than it would have if he came back for another year, had the same type of year, but is a year older. He made the right call this would have been his last chance to go this high in the draft.

It's sort of like Lillard, if Lillard would have came back to Weber State, odds are he would have still been drafted, but probably would have fallen into the middle to late first round pick range.

Have you looked at the mocks in the last week or so since the combine? His stock has taken a big hit. I personally think it would be better to not get drafted so you can pick the best situation. I think he would be a good fit for the Jazz. We all know that he can shoot.

 

[sacstateman]

Harvey got a tryout with the Jazz yesterday. They said that they liked his shooting, but that he still had work to do. Nothing new there. They think he is a late 2nd round pick. If he is available at 54 they may consider him. :thumb: :thumb:

There is nothing wrong with playing over seas or in the D league. Sounds to me like Tyler, Mihk, and Dylan will be playing somewhere for money. It's all good. We've had many players, over the years, who have been successful on that track.

Make up your mind olds.....Is it ok to go overseas?????? The D league is a loser, I totally disagree.....

 

[Dubs1]

I'm not sure where not getting drafted at all came from. When he came out he was listed late first round pick early second round. I looked at many mock drafts that go two rounds (CBS Sports, USA Today, Draft Express, etc.) All of them had him going in the second round. Yes, his stock took a hit, but no more than it would have if he came back for another year, had the same type of year, but is a year older. He made the right call this would have been his last chance to go this high in the draft.

It's sort of like Lillard, if Lillard would have came back to Weber State, odds are he would have still been drafted, but probably would have fallen into the middle to late first round pick range.

Have you looked at the mocks in the last week or so since the combine? His stock has taken a big hit. I personally think it would be better to not get drafted so you can pick the best situation. I think he would be a good fit for the Jazz. We all know that he can shoot.

Yes, I have and yes he has taken about a 15 spot drop in the draft, doesn't mean that's where he will be drafted could be higher could be lower. Also, disagree on not being drafted as the better option. Undrafted means you are going to be playing in the D-League. Very few players if any make it out of that. Utah Jazz are one of the teams in the league that have used that to there benefit (Wes Matthews and Elijah Milsap), majority of teams don't. Staying in school wasn't going to help his draft spot either, best case would have been him going where he is projected now after his horrible workout. Worse case he isn't on any teams boards to be drafted at all.

 

[Skippy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Harvey graduate this year? So he got his degree, and as Dubs pointed out, another year playing in the Big Sky wasn't going to help his draft stock any, so he really has nothing to lose by coming out now. If he doesn't get drafted, there are still plenty of options -- Jim Potter of Idaho State played 13 years in Belgium, made a nice living and put away enough money to buy a business when he retired. The D League has worked well for a lot of clubs -- the Jazz have four former D Leaguers on their roster, and the Spurs, among others, use the D league a lot. And according to Jazz VP Walt Perrin, Harvey was the best shooter the Jazz have brought in for a workout so far. Sure he's got work to do in other areas of his game, but if you can shoot, there's always a team that can use you. Good luck to Mr. Harvey in however his career progresses. It was fun watching him play.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Like I said previously, I don't see Harvey going in the first round, but since a lot of teams are looking for shooters in this draft, Harvey could get an earlier look. He is one of the top shooters in the draft. His other areas can be developed. He has a lot of potential. Agreed with Dubs and Visitor...for the NBA, there is far better chance of sticking in the league if a player is drafted than becoming a free-agent. Draft doesn't mean you are a shoe-in, but it does get you in the league. Case in point...12 years ago, two players went into the Rocky Mountain Review Jazz Summer League and then played the entire pre-season together. They were virtually equal in everything they did. One shot better than the other, but the other was better with the ball (passing, driving, seeing the floor, etc). The one that made the team was the one drafted, the other went another route (successful...YES...but not the NBA). Those two players were our very own Jermaine Boyette and Mo Williams. If Boyette is drafted and Williams is the free-agent, I feel the cards could have been turned.

 

[SWeberCat02]

for the NBA, there is far better chance of sticking in the league if a player is drafted than becoming a free-agent. Draft doesn't mean you are a shoe-in, but it does get you in the league.

Statistically, 2nd rounders have a better chance of making a team than those not drafted, but only 1st rounders get guaranteed contracts. The only real guarantee for 2nd rounders is a tryout without any promises of making the team. Anyone coming out early without a guarantee of being drafted 1st round isn't making a very wise decision. With that said, Harvey's situation is a little different because he's already graduated. Not much reason for him to play another year of college basketball.

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The glaring thing about this data for me: There are only 25 players in the NBA that were drafted in the second round who are impact players (by these standards, of course). Over the span of these drafts there were 442 second round draft selections made and now only 25 of them average at least 25 minutes per game for their team — that comes in at a paltry 5.7 percent. It’s tough to find long-term talent in the second round of the NBA Draft.

 

[Webergrad02]

Here are the last 10 picks of the second round going back to 2010. Not very many guys are making it in the league from this list.

2014 2.20 Suns Alec Brown 7'1 231 Wisc. Green Bay 1992-07-23
2014 2.21 Knicks Thanasis Antetokounmpo 6'6 205 Delaware 1992-07-17
2014 2.22 76ers Vasilije Micic 6'6 202 Mega Vizura 1994-01-13
2014 2.23 Timberwolves Alessandro Gentile 6'6 200 Milano 1992-11-12
2014 2.24 76ers Nemanja Dangubic 6'8 193 Mega Vizura 1993-04-13
2014 2.25 Heat Semaj Christon 6'3 186 Xavier 1992-11-01 55
2014 2.26 Magic Devyn Marble 6'6 192 Iowa 1992-09-21
2014 2.27 Pacers Louis Labeyrie 6'10 200 Paris-Levallois 1992-02-11
2014 2.28 Spurs Jordan McRae 6'5 179 Tennessee 1991-03-28 39
2014 2.29 Raptors Xavier Thames 6'3 187 San Diego State 1991-01-19 131
2014 2.30 Spurs Corey Jefferson 6'9 218 Baylor 1990-12-26 78
2013 2.20 Heat James Ennis 6'7 201 Long Beach State 1990-07-01
2013 2.21 Magic Romero Osby 6'7 230 Oklahoma 1990-05-07 47
2013 2.22 Timberwolves Lorenzo Brown 6'5 189 N.C. State 1990-08-26 46
2013 2.23 Celtics Colton Iverson 7'0 263 Colorado State 1989-06-29 151
2013 2.24 76ers Arsalan Kazemi 6'8 225 Oregon 1990-04-22 154
2013 2.25 Nuggets Joffrey Lauvergne 6'11 240 Partizan 1991-09-30
2013 2.26 Pistons Peyton Siva 6'1 181 Louisville 1990-10-24 31
2013 2.27 Suns Alex Oriakhi 6'9 238 Missouri 1990-06-21 15
2013 2.28 Spurs Deshaun Thomas 6'7 220 Ohio State 1991-08-29 17
2013 2.29 Timberwolves Bojan Dubljevic 6'10 242 Valencia 1991-10-24
2013 2.30 Grizzlies Janis Timma 6'7 226 Ventspils 1992-07-02
20 Nuggets Izzet Turkyilmaz 7'1'' 211 Banvit 1990-05-20
2012 2.21 Celtics Kris Joseph 6'7'' 215 Syracuse 1988-12-17 59
2012 2.22 Warriors Ognjen Kuzmic 7'1'' 231 Malaga 1990-05-16
2012 2.23 Clippers Furkan Aldemir 6'9'' 220 Galatasaray 1991-08-09
2012 2.24 Nets Tornike Shengelia 6'9'' 228 Charleroi 1991-10-05
2012 2.25 Lakers Darius Johnson-Odom 6'3'' 212 Marquette 1989-09-28
2012 2.26 Raptors Tomislav Zubcic 6'11'' 229 Cibona Zagreb 1990-01-07
2012 2.27 Nets Ilkan Karaman 6'9'' 236 Karsiyaka 1990-05-13
2012 2.28 Timberwolves Robbie Hummel 6'8'' 218 Purdue 1989-03-08 62
2012 2.29 Spurs Marcus Denmon 6'3'' 188 Missouri 1990-03-20
2012 2.30 Lakers Robert Sacre 7'0'' 263 Gonzaga 1989-06-06 164
76ers Lavoy Allen 6' 9" 225 Temple 1989-02-04
2011 2.21 Trailblazers Jon Diebler 6' 6" 200 Ohio State 1988-06-22 58
2011 2.22 Nuggets Pistons Vernon Macklin 6' 9" 245 Florida 1986-09-26 17
2011 2.23 Magic DeAndre Liggins 6' 6" 205 Kentucky 1988-03-31 35
2011 2.24 Thunder Cavaliers Milan Macvan 6' 9" 265 KK Hemofarm 1989-11-16
2011 2.25 Celtics E'Twaun Moore 6'4" 191 Purdue 1989-02-28 24
2011 2.26 Lakers Nuggets Chu Chu Maduabum
2011 2.27 Mavericks Timberwolves Tanguy Ngombo 6' 6" 230 AL-RAYYAN (QATAR) 1989-07-10
2011 2.28 Heat Lakers Ater Majok 6' 10" 225 FMV ISIKSPOR ISTANBUL 1987-07-04 76
2011 2.29 Spurs Adam Hanga 6' 7" 200 ALBACOMP (HUNGARY) 1989-04-12
2011 2.30 Bulls Kings Isaiah Thomas 5'10" 190 Washington 1989-02-07 112
2010 2.20 Mavericks Raptors Solomon Alabi 7'1 251 Florida State 1988-03-21 Mavericks trade #50 to Raptors for future 2nd and cash 25
2010 2.21 Thunder Pacers Magnum Rolle 6'10 200 Louisiana Tech 1986-02-23 #51 to Pacers for #57 + cash 33
2010 2.22 Celtics Luke Harangody 6'8 251 Notre Dame 1988-01-02 83
2010 2.23 Hawks Pape Sy 0'0 0000-00-00
2010 2.24 Clippers Willie Warren 6'4 200 Oklahoma 1989-10-22 14
2010 2.25 Jazz Jeremy Evans 6'9 190 Western Kentucky 1987-10-24
2010 2.26 Timberwolves Wizards Hamady N'Diaye 6'11 225 Rutgers 1987-01-12 #23 + #56 to Wizards for #30 and #35 97
2010 2.27 Pacers Thunder Ryan Reid 0'0 0000-00-00 #57 + Cach to Thunder for #51 132
2010 2.28 Lakers Derrick Caracter 6'9 265 UTEP 1988-05-04 18
2010 2.29 Magic Stanley Robinson 6'9 225 Connecticut 1988-07-14 19
2010 2.30 Suns Dwayne Collins 6'8 232 Miami, FL 1988-04-13 116