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Hawaii receives MWC football invite
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I kinda thought this might happen. Good for the 'Bows.
Now, more and more, potentially going to the WAC is now dead. Sad too. It could have been a really great conference to get into had Fresno and Nevada stayed, and maybe coax back San Diego State.
Now, more and more, potentially going to the WAC is now dead. Sad too. It could have been a really great conference to get into had Fresno and Nevada stayed, and maybe coax back San Diego State.
SJHornet
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Wow, didn’t see Hawaii going to the MWC. Though for sure they would go indie in a few years. Now, does this mean Sac/Poly/Montana/Montana State/PSU/Davis are going to be heavily pursued by the WAC, or does the WAC completely implode sending SJSU to the BWC and the rest to the Sky and Southland?
It seems like Wanless is not interested in the WAC at this time. Montana has already turned down the offer, but this latest news might mean the kitties get an invite too. Goodbye Montanas? Davis seems as interested going to the WAC as Wanless, but Poly seems to have some bigger aspirations. I have no clue if Portland is even thinking of jumping.
At this point I imagine we sit back down, watch the events that unfold the next few weeks and if we are going to make a move, we do it. Personally I don’t know if we jump or not. I still want Sac to be FBS, but the WAC ship is taking on water and they are running out of buckets.
BTW, looks like TCU is going Big East.
It seems like Wanless is not interested in the WAC at this time. Montana has already turned down the offer, but this latest news might mean the kitties get an invite too. Goodbye Montanas? Davis seems as interested going to the WAC as Wanless, but Poly seems to have some bigger aspirations. I have no clue if Portland is even thinking of jumping.
At this point I imagine we sit back down, watch the events that unfold the next few weeks and if we are going to make a move, we do it. Personally I don’t know if we jump or not. I still want Sac to be FBS, but the WAC ship is taking on water and they are running out of buckets.
BTW, looks like TCU is going Big East.
superhornet
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Strange that they're claiming these invites with no BW corroboration....
Green Laser
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I thought that Hawaii might go independent for football and Big West in all else. I wonder why if Hawaii was invited to the MWC they wouldn't want to place all of their sports there instead of the Big West? I am just glad that we stayed clear of the WAC's demise.
MWC could have done this if they think that TCU is for sure gone. This should finally put an end to the WAC. The interesting thing is to see what the remaining WAC schools will do. My guess is they try to go indy until they finally fold their football programs (SJSU). I don’t think they will ever consider moving down to the BSC or any other FCS conference. For once the inaction by Wanless and Gonzo actually benefited Sac State. The WAC and all its members are toast and I have no idea how the conference will stay afloat. TX State and UTSA are completely screwed as they will be moving up to FBS with nowhere to go. I guess the Sun Belt could take them.
Another aspect will be to see how the current BW schools deal with the added travel budgets. With both UC and CSU systems increasing tuition 8% and 15% respectively this year, it can’t be long until academia is up in arms about the added expense/budget for athletics while every other department will be facing cuts.
This will impact Hornet fans on the diamond. It’s going to be hard for the new baseball coach to continue to land solid recruits with no chance of making it to the NCAA Tournament as the WAC will most likely end up with not enough members to be recognized as a conference.
Another aspect will be to see how the current BW schools deal with the added travel budgets. With both UC and CSU systems increasing tuition 8% and 15% respectively this year, it can’t be long until academia is up in arms about the added expense/budget for athletics while every other department will be facing cuts.
This will impact Hornet fans on the diamond. It’s going to be hard for the new baseball coach to continue to land solid recruits with no chance of making it to the NCAA Tournament as the WAC will most likely end up with not enough members to be recognized as a conference.
superhornet
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SDHornet said:
This is exactly the thought process UOP went through in '95. I-AA (now FCS) is "beneath our dignity," so we're gonna take our ball and go home. Completely asinine, but that's the way career bureaucrats think.
SDHornet said:
You couldn't be any more right. CatMom is at her wits' end over this. They would have been MUCH better off staying in the SLC. The Sun Belt is a one-way trip to Nowheresville.
I always thought the WAC WAS Hawaii.
With them gone there goes the 30K fans that attend their football games and the positive average it brings to the conference for staying above 15K attendance. Plus as SD noted, there goes the baseball affiliation.
Idaho
SJSU
NMSU
USU
LaTech
TXST
UTSA
They should approach Lamar, would fit nicely with the Tx schools and Latech. If USU goes to the MWC it is definately over, no more rabbits available.
With them gone there goes the 30K fans that attend their football games and the positive average it brings to the conference for staying above 15K attendance. Plus as SD noted, there goes the baseball affiliation.
Idaho
SJSU
NMSU
USU
LaTech
TXST
UTSA
They should approach Lamar, would fit nicely with the Tx schools and Latech. If USU goes to the MWC it is definately over, no more rabbits available.
superhornet
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Green Cookie Monster said:
Any chance they might take a chance on a quality D-II in the area? If they scramble, they might be able to get one to qualify in time for '13 or '14. Maybe Omaha or something.
Super Hornet said:
Please stop. NO FBS conference is going to take a D-2 school. Ever. Period!
SJHornet
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Green Cookie Monster said:
If the Aggies leave, it definitely over. A poster on the Sun Belt board cited an NCAA rule that says a conference is only eligible if they have at least 6 members who have been with the conference for 5 or more years.
Just another reason for Wanless to be knocking on the Big West's door. The Sky doesn't have enough members to field baseball and the WAC may not be viable soon. I have a feeling more schools in the WAC will be looking elsewhere, and should they leave the WAC won't have enough members to field baseball either.
I was one of the staunchest proponents of getting Sac into the WAC, but I'm glad we didn't now. The Sky is stronger and the WAC is a ship sinking fast. I'm having trouble seeing how the WAC survives after this latest setback. Utah State is likely next on the MWC radar, SJSU is unstable at best and LA Tech is by no means comitted to the WAC for the long haul.
Lets try and get into the Big West and worry about the FBS when its a more stable environment.
superhornet
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As of right now, neither HI nor BWC confirm this.
But if it pans out, it may signal some softening in the league stance re bringing Sac back. Particularly for baseball, that would be good.
But what do we do with gymnastics? There are only two other BW schools that field a team. Do we go MPSF? Do we organize a league with Fullerton, Davis, Seattle, and Anchorage?
Food for thought, and stuff that SHOULD be hashed out as a contingency plan for when the Titanic that is the WAC implodes.
But if it pans out, it may signal some softening in the league stance re bringing Sac back. Particularly for baseball, that would be good.
But what do we do with gymnastics? There are only two other BW schools that field a team. Do we go MPSF? Do we organize a league with Fullerton, Davis, Seattle, and Anchorage?
Food for thought, and stuff that SHOULD be hashed out as a contingency plan for when the Titanic that is the WAC implodes.
Green Laser
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Our continuing associate membership in the WAC in for baseball and gymnastics is my concern. As I have said early and often (since Fresno, Nevada, davis and Poly were no longer in the WAC mix) I would like to see us in the Big Sky of football Big West for all else offered. I don't know if the Big Sky would release us for the other sports or if the Big West would accept us but we need to have some backup if the WAC goes down in flames. If the Big West don't work out maybe we could at least do something through the Big Sky for baseball. I know that North Dakota also had concerns about a league for their baseball team leaving the Great West.
I have been on the bandwagon for the Big West for sometime. It is a natural fit and completely justified now that Big Sky made exemptions for Poly and UCD. As a baseball fan, you couldn't ask for a better baseball conference for Sac State to participate in with the likes of Fullerton, Irvine, Long Beach etc... And, for those who care, volleyball competition would be better, especially now with what appears to be the addition of Hawaii. And, soccer with the success of UCSB and CSUN. And, reduced travel costs. And, ....
Actually for Men's Soccer, the MPSF got three teams into the NCAA's this year while the Big West only got one: UCSB. We also got two in last year and the Big West also got two. So the at this point I wouldn't say right now the Big West is better at soccer. But that can change and in theory we could make it better. I just think for Men's Hoops its a step down, especially because of free Big Sky TV. The Big West could only dream of having free packages like that.
Well, actually I wasn't looking at just this year, but historically. Can't recall a MPSF team hoisting a national championship trophy like BW's UCSB. I would have to go back and look and see whether the MPSF or BW has sent more teams to the NCAA tourney over the last ten year. You will have to sell me on Big West basketball being a step down because they don't have Big West TV. Lol.
The Hornets have plenty to add to the Big West. We would be pretty competitive across the board. Baseball needs work but looking at what the new coach was able to do in one recruiting class, it's obvious this guy knows what he is doing. Katz also will need to land more wins on the court. We would do no worse than middle of the pack imo.
SJHornet
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So I hate to bring this subject up again, but I’m still too depressed to even think about football after Saturday. This subject keeps my mind off it I guess. (soap opera for college sports fans really)
Benson had a teleconference today to talk about all the things that have unfolded lately. He revealed an interesting story saying the WAC contacted UC Davis a few weeks ago about a potential move to the conference in the wake of Hawaii’s imminent departure. Davis gave him a flat out no. It also seems like Montana isn’t on the WAC’s radar anymore. They’ve been in contact with UNT and other non-football schools instead. I was actually a little surprised to not hear Sac’s name at any point in the conversation. Instead he only mentioned other Texas schools being interested. The only west coast school mentioned was Seattle.
The movement towards the South leads me to conclude Benson has either no interest or most likely no ability to establish a Pacific presence. I’m not saying we should be interested in the WAC at this point all, but it makes it look like the schools out west, (Sac, Poly, Portland), are telling the WAC they don’t want to be a part of the train wreck. I also have to figure SJSU is feeling a little isolated and may either want the same deal Hawaii is being offered or wants out of the WAC all together. I would think the Big West would be knocking on their door. If Hawaii goes BWC and SJSU starts to look into going BWC, that would put the BWC at 11 members. Sac State travel partner to make it an even dozen? (and no, I don’t give a sh!t what other Big West message board fans care about Sac State. Besides, many are actually quite keen on us joining) The BWC would make sense for SJSU in regards of travel and a renewed rivalry with Pacific. Just bring us along if you do Spartans!
Benson also said if they cannot find an 8th football member, the WAC would loose its FBS classification. The schools in the WAC would still be considered FBS, but would not be in an FBS conference. Sounds a little weird to me. So I guess they would all be looked upon as basically independents within a conference just to make scheduling easier. Anyway, I can’t imagine this would be a classification any of the remaining schools would want to keep. Any schools not already thinking about looking for a new home may be after this scenario takes place. He also revealed, at the behest of reporters, that the WAC is starting to loose many of its bowl contracts. If they were to be re-classified I could see them loosing all but one or two. Another reason a school would be reluctant to give the WAC a second look.
Personally I can’t see UNT or any other current FBS or FCS school leaving for the unstable WAC. Utah State is still probably leaving and LA Tech has yet to declare its loyalty to the WAC. I can also see NMSU easily jumping back to the Sun Belt and Idaho getting into the MWC upon Boise’s request should no CUSA members leave for the MWC, or returning to the Sky. Denver, UTSA and Texas State may be forced to rescind their WAC memberships if the conference continues to crumble. I really hope Sac can get the deal Poly and Davis got. I have a feeling if we are not included in the Big West’s plans this time we will be hosed. The only help we may get is the Big Sky offering CSU Bakersfield to be a travel partner. That is not a bright future by any stretch of the imagination in my book. Hopefully Wanless and Gonzo are hard at work trying to convince them Sac State is the school they want.
In the end I see the WAC’s long term survival becoming bleaker by the day. We will need to find a new baseball and gymnastics conference pronto.
http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10100&ATCLID=204779140 (November 22nd)
Benson had a teleconference today to talk about all the things that have unfolded lately. He revealed an interesting story saying the WAC contacted UC Davis a few weeks ago about a potential move to the conference in the wake of Hawaii’s imminent departure. Davis gave him a flat out no. It also seems like Montana isn’t on the WAC’s radar anymore. They’ve been in contact with UNT and other non-football schools instead. I was actually a little surprised to not hear Sac’s name at any point in the conversation. Instead he only mentioned other Texas schools being interested. The only west coast school mentioned was Seattle.
The movement towards the South leads me to conclude Benson has either no interest or most likely no ability to establish a Pacific presence. I’m not saying we should be interested in the WAC at this point all, but it makes it look like the schools out west, (Sac, Poly, Portland), are telling the WAC they don’t want to be a part of the train wreck. I also have to figure SJSU is feeling a little isolated and may either want the same deal Hawaii is being offered or wants out of the WAC all together. I would think the Big West would be knocking on their door. If Hawaii goes BWC and SJSU starts to look into going BWC, that would put the BWC at 11 members. Sac State travel partner to make it an even dozen? (and no, I don’t give a sh!t what other Big West message board fans care about Sac State. Besides, many are actually quite keen on us joining) The BWC would make sense for SJSU in regards of travel and a renewed rivalry with Pacific. Just bring us along if you do Spartans!
Benson also said if they cannot find an 8th football member, the WAC would loose its FBS classification. The schools in the WAC would still be considered FBS, but would not be in an FBS conference. Sounds a little weird to me. So I guess they would all be looked upon as basically independents within a conference just to make scheduling easier. Anyway, I can’t imagine this would be a classification any of the remaining schools would want to keep. Any schools not already thinking about looking for a new home may be after this scenario takes place. He also revealed, at the behest of reporters, that the WAC is starting to loose many of its bowl contracts. If they were to be re-classified I could see them loosing all but one or two. Another reason a school would be reluctant to give the WAC a second look.
Personally I can’t see UNT or any other current FBS or FCS school leaving for the unstable WAC. Utah State is still probably leaving and LA Tech has yet to declare its loyalty to the WAC. I can also see NMSU easily jumping back to the Sun Belt and Idaho getting into the MWC upon Boise’s request should no CUSA members leave for the MWC, or returning to the Sky. Denver, UTSA and Texas State may be forced to rescind their WAC memberships if the conference continues to crumble. I really hope Sac can get the deal Poly and Davis got. I have a feeling if we are not included in the Big West’s plans this time we will be hosed. The only help we may get is the Big Sky offering CSU Bakersfield to be a travel partner. That is not a bright future by any stretch of the imagination in my book. Hopefully Wanless and Gonzo are hard at work trying to convince them Sac State is the school they want.
In the end I see the WAC’s long term survival becoming bleaker by the day. We will need to find a new baseball and gymnastics conference pronto.
http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10100&ATCLID=204779140 (November 22nd)
He didnt mention Sac State because we dont have the facilities. Period.
SJHornet
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Could be UC San Diego, could be SJSU, hope its us. also says they have set a Dec 1st deadline for schools to submit information.
Could be UC San Diego, could be SJSU, hope its us. also says they have set a Dec 1st deadline for schools to submit information.
