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It doesn't matter how much Parry played. At PSU no-one knows what is going on. The program is in the hands of a coach who doesn't seem to know what to do with the women she recruits. Since she lost the players recruited by other coaches, it has been all downhill. It is a plus that she was "came out" but the fact that she did does not mean she should not be evaluated based on her record and her record sucks. The Big Sky is not a basketball powerhouse by any means and PSU should be a giant in the league. Its enrollment and location should draw excellent Division One players. PSU simply wasn't competitive with the majority of teams in the Big Sky and was destroyed by good Division One teams. PSU should hire a new coach who can coach and recruit an NCAA tournament team or go back to Division Two.
BroadwayVik
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Imagine San Diego State or Fresno State being in PSU's situation. It is next to impossible for me to fathom. Is she having a coaching crisis, intentionally holding back from winning or just can't recruit players she needs to win? She did well when she first came here. What's up with that?
redryder said:
Seriously? In that cracker box you call a basketball arena? Montana averages twice as many fans as the Stott Center holds. You do have a point about doing better with Elliott's recruits, but Murrell still has had the most success of any PSU women's coach in their DI history. She may be running out the job-security cushion she had a few years ago (much like Carla Taylor did at Weber), but she's still 20 games over .500 at PSU and I would doubt a firing is imminent—especially with the injuries to good players the last couple years.
They had one injury of any substance this year and that was to Misa. As far as the size of the Gym, a larger one would just have move empty seats. In certain games it looked like the opposition had more fans than PSU. Where are the Kahles, the Fauchers, the Valentines, the Joneses anymore? Where is one good post defender?
redryder said:
Misa & Lanz both went down last year, though. And Eryn Jones was a Murrell recruit, as was VanBrocklin. The last three years were disappointing for PSU WBB fans, I'm sure, but keep a little perspective. Would you rather return to the pre-Murrell days?
A larger gym may have more empty seats, but how is a recruit gonna be even vaguely impressed by the current facilities? More seats = more possibilities, at least in a starry-eyed HS student's view. The three public high schools in Missoula each hold more in their gyms than the Stott Center.
Recruiting aside look at trends of W/L historically namely WSU where she also was noncompetitive in her league. Trending the same way in my opinion. 
. one more year to prove the trend isn't true. That's where recruiting will be apparent as another fault. Seriously though she does have and has had talent it's more about team/coach interactions. There is no rhyme or reason to substitution patterns nor does there seem to be an abundance of offensive strategies...frequently out coached especially in crunch time although we haven't had too many crunch times this year.
. one more year to prove the trend isn't true. That's where recruiting will be apparent as another fault. Seriously though she does have and has had talent it's more about team/coach interactions. There is no rhyme or reason to substitution patterns nor does there seem to be an abundance of offensive strategies...frequently out coached especially in crunch time although we haven't had too many crunch times this year.Murrell has another year left on her contract. It will be tough for the Viks to make the BS tourney next year because they are losing Lanz, Misa, McfAdden, Brock etc. Current trajectory is down, fans are not coming to non-competitive games, and the coach has been heard to blame losses on bad luck rather than looking in the mirror. PSU should be the preeminent program in the league because of all the school and city offers. Should Murrell get a free pass because she came out, or be judged on W/L record and player development like everyone else?
Cheap shot in what way?
I believe in live and let live and really don't care about the coach's personal life or sexual orientation. But I think that her personal life should be kept separate from her professional life on the court in the eyes of PSU administrators whose job it is to evaluate her coaching performance. The PSU WBB program and fans deserve that much and I hope that the program does not continue to spiral down into mediocrity with a succession of losing seasons and of failing to even make the BS tournament. All I'm asking for is an objective evaluation of the coach's performance based on measurable criteria. What's so cheap about that?
I believe in live and let live and really don't care about the coach's personal life or sexual orientation. But I think that her personal life should be kept separate from her professional life on the court in the eyes of PSU administrators whose job it is to evaluate her coaching performance. The PSU WBB program and fans deserve that much and I hope that the program does not continue to spiral down into mediocrity with a succession of losing seasons and of failing to even make the BS tournament. All I'm asking for is an objective evaluation of the coach's performance based on measurable criteria. What's so cheap about that?
@goviks2 I never claimed to have intimate knowledge of how the PSU coaches are judged by administration. All I desire is for Murrell to be fairly judged based on her coaching performance, as any other coach would be.
She is obviously respected on a personal level by the LGBT community and others for being the first D1 coach to come out. I really don't care much about her personal life and strongly feel that it should not be used to augment or detract from her coaching duties. For instance, If she were to have several consecutive seasons where the team did not make the BS tournament, I would hope that the PSU administration would not feel inextricably bound to retain her as WBB coach due to her iconic status within the local LGBT community. Gay or straight coaches should be judged by the same objective standards with no favoritism shown for either based on sexual orientation, gender, race, creed etc.
She is obviously respected on a personal level by the LGBT community and others for being the first D1 coach to come out. I really don't care much about her personal life and strongly feel that it should not be used to augment or detract from her coaching duties. For instance, If she were to have several consecutive seasons where the team did not make the BS tournament, I would hope that the PSU administration would not feel inextricably bound to retain her as WBB coach due to her iconic status within the local LGBT community. Gay or straight coaches should be judged by the same objective standards with no favoritism shown for either based on sexual orientation, gender, race, creed etc.
@goviks2 The reason I bring this issue up is a question that could be asked of the coach, who was the one who decided to bring it up for public discourse by deciding to very publicly come out with this information about her personal life in the first place. Why would she use her public D1 coach's professional forum to announce intimate details of her personal life, and by so doing, link them together into a single, unified public persona?
Her actions have had the effect of insulating her from any kind of professional criticism, lest the person making the judgement be accused of being homophobic. This is exactly what is happening in this forum to me. I am trying to ensure that objective professional criticisms of the coach's performance can be validated, without fear of attack based on the mistaken motive of homophobia. By coming out, the coach has blurred the lines between personal and professional, making any criticism of her coaching appear as a criticism of her personal lifestyle.
Her actions have had the effect of insulating her from any kind of professional criticism, lest the person making the judgement be accused of being homophobic. This is exactly what is happening in this forum to me. I am trying to ensure that objective professional criticisms of the coach's performance can be validated, without fear of attack based on the mistaken motive of homophobia. By coming out, the coach has blurred the lines between personal and professional, making any criticism of her coaching appear as a criticism of her personal lifestyle.
bbjunkie said:
Probably because people would otherwise wonder why she was constantly bringing a pregnant female companion to school functions—this would become public anyway sooner or later. Straight coaches bring their spouses everywhere, why shouldn't she? Why do you even care?
What evidence do you have this is even happening? You act like Murrell would already be gone if she wasn't publicly gay. She'll likely be on her way out if she doesn't turn things around, but—as I said above—she's presently 20 games over .500 at PSU and has a better record against Montana than any Big Sky coach who's been there longer than a year (Murrell is 8-10; Harkleroad is 1-1).
Once again, I don't want to focus on the coach's personal life, and who she may or not be be currently escorting to any number of community social functions. I seriously doubt that any Montana coach could/would publically come out and be retained, so any comparison with the social habits of their straight coaches is irrelevant to the PSU situation. Montana fans have no understanding of the widespread public support garnered by Murrell in the Portland community for her pioneering display of personal disclosure.
All I am concerned about in this forum is the health and competetiveness of the WBB program. Murrell's record might currently be 20 games above .500 but her conference record is 46-18 using the prior coach's recruits and is only 19-37 since the 2011-12 season using her own recruits, and has not qualified for the Big Sky Tournament during these previous 3 seasons. Murrell's conference record at WSU was 8-82 and yet she was quickly hired at PSU by the current AD despite this abysmal performance. Murrell has one year left on her current contract and if the team's current performance continues to deteriorate, it will be interesting to see if the PSU administration will continue to support their coach and implicitly show that their priority is one of sociological pioneering rather than on the court success.
All I am concerned about in this forum is the health and competetiveness of the WBB program. Murrell's record might currently be 20 games above .500 but her conference record is 46-18 using the prior coach's recruits and is only 19-37 since the 2011-12 season using her own recruits, and has not qualified for the Big Sky Tournament during these previous 3 seasons. Murrell's conference record at WSU was 8-82 and yet she was quickly hired at PSU by the current AD despite this abysmal performance. Murrell has one year left on her current contract and if the team's current performance continues to deteriorate, it will be interesting to see if the PSU administration will continue to support their coach and implicitly show that their priority is one of sociological pioneering rather than on the court success.
