Jordan Dallas Commits to Weber State

[Da Bears]

Sounds like you guys are going to pull a Boise State and "Nebeker" a couple of scholarship players, eh? That's not going to look too good, especially in light of your PAC-12 brethern down the road in SLC announcing they are going to guarantee four-year scholarships to athletes in all sports. Boise State's going to have to come to terms with that PAC 12 guarantee in the future, as well. The Broncos compete with the PAC 12 for a lot of football players, now they're going to have to explain why they won't provide the same four-year guarantee.

I know it goes on at athletic programs all over the country, but I hate to see kids get their scholarships pulled just because they get recruited over. I hope that's not what you guys are doing in this situation.

Weber isn't competing with PAC-12 schools in recruiting, yet. I see nothing wrong with taking someones scholarship away if they don't perform as expected. Nothing different than taking an academic scholarship away from someone who doesn't perform in the classroom.

That's the same excuse the folks in Boise used when they pulled two kids' scholarships this summer because they recruited kids that "projected higher" than these young men. I'll pose the same question to you that I posed to the Boise State people who defended cutting their two young men: do you think when Randy Rahe goes into the living room of a prospective recruit, he says, "Oh and one more thing: if your son doesn't produce as a basketball player like we think, or if we have a chance to recruit a better talent, your son will lose his scholarship?" I doubt that's part of the recruiting discussion. It's typically more along the lines of, "your son will be a part of the Weber family and we'll take great care of him."

I'm not accusing Rahe or Weber of doing anything that underhanded, because nobody knows what the true circumstances are surrounding this situation just yet. Some kids may be leaving the program for personal reasons, may be going on missions, or may just be home sick. All I'm saying is I hope Weber is not doing what Boise State did, which was flat out over-recruit a couple of kids and then send them packing. I know it's a hopelessly naive sentiment on my part, but college athletics should be about kids getting an education first and foremost. Once they commit to you, you should honor that academic commitment to them.

Tough subject...... Big difference in losing a scholarship due to subjective versus objective reasons. Athletes already lose so much due to the one sided letter of Intent that they sign. The one response that made sense is that they're getting a 4 year education in return, but that's not true. Recruiting is going to be tough on schools that don't offer 4 year scholarships and compensate their players. Really a case of the haves and have nots!

 

[oldrunner]

You are not correct on one thing, Bengal. Randy is brutally honest with recruits and their parents. He tells them up front that it's going to be a difficult situation, that a lot will be expected of them on the floor, in the classroom and in the community. He tells them that if they can't handle it and don't do the things they are asked to do, he will pack them up and send them home. His honesty is what has landed us some very good players. Damian and his dad sight that very thing as the reason they chose WSU. Many players have had so much smoke blown at them that it is refreshing to hear someone speak truthfully.

Maybe that doesn't fly at ISU, but it seems to work here. :nod:

 

[Skippy]

You are not correct on one thing, Bengal. Randy is brutally honest with recruits and their parents. He tells them up front that it's going to be a difficult situation, that a lot will be expected of them on the floor, in the classroom and in the community. He tells them that if they can't handle it and don't do the things they are asked to do, he will pack them up and send them home. His honesty is what has landed us some very good players. Damian and his dad sight that very thing as the reason they chose WSU. Many players have had so much smoke blown at them that it is refreshing to hear someone speak truthfully.

Maybe that doesn't fly at ISU, but it seems to work here. :nod:

Hey, oldrunner, if that's true, I tip my cap to Randy. I don't think you'll see Bill Evans blow any smoke up any recruit's butt, either. That's why I like them both.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Sounds like you guys are going to pull a Boise State and "Nebeker" a couple of scholarship players, eh? That's not going to look too good, especially in light of your PAC-12 brethern down the road in SLC announcing they are going to guarantee four-year scholarships to athletes in all sports. Boise State's going to have to come to terms with that PAC 12 guarantee in the future, as well. The Broncos compete with the PAC 12 for a lot of football players, now they're going to have to explain why they won't provide the same four-year guarantee.

I know it goes on at athletic programs all over the country, but I hate to see kids get their scholarships pulled just because they get recruited over. I hope that's not what you guys are doing in this situation.

Weber isn't competing with PAC-12 schools in recruiting, yet. I see nothing wrong with taking someones scholarship away if they don't perform as expected. Nothing different than taking an academic scholarship away from someone who doesn't perform in the classroom.

That's the same excuse the folks in Boise used when they pulled two kids' scholarships this summer because they recruited kids that "projected higher" than these young men. I'll pose the same question to you that I posed to the Boise State people who defended cutting their two young men: do you think when Randy Rahe goes into the living room of a prospective recruit, he says, "Oh and one more thing: if your son doesn't produce as a basketball player like we think, or if we have a chance to recruit a better talent, your son will lose his scholarship?" I doubt that's part of the recruiting discussion. It's typically more along the lines of, "your son will be a part of the Weber family and we'll take great care of him."

I'm not accusing Rahe or Weber of doing anything that underhanded, because nobody knows what the true circumstances are surrounding this situation just yet. Some kids may be leaving the program for personal reasons, may be going on missions, or may just be home sick. All I'm saying is I hope Weber is not doing what Boise State did, which was flat out over-recruit a couple of kids and then send them packing. I know it's a hopelessly naive sentiment on my part, but college athletics should be about kids getting an education first and foremost. Once they commit to you, you should honor that academic commitment to them.

Dude, stop with the holier than though attitude. Don't think for a second that Evans wouldn't pull a scholarship for a significantly better player. Like it or not, D1 college athletics stopped being about kids and their schooling a long time ago. Coaches make way too much, and get fired way too often, to care about offending a kid's parents.

 

[Skippy]

Sounds like you guys are going to pull a Boise State and "Nebeker" a couple of scholarship players, eh? That's not going to look too good, especially in light of your PAC-12 brethern down the road in SLC announcing they are going to guarantee four-year scholarships to athletes in all sports. Boise State's going to have to come to terms with that PAC 12 guarantee in the future, as well. The Broncos compete with the PAC 12 for a lot of football players, now they're going to have to explain why they won't provide the same four-year guarantee.

I know it goes on at athletic programs all over the country, but I hate to see kids get their scholarships pulled just because they get recruited over. I hope that's not what you guys are doing in this situation.

Weber isn't competing with PAC-12 schools in recruiting, yet. I see nothing wrong with taking someones scholarship away if they don't perform as expected. Nothing different than taking an academic scholarship away from someone who doesn't perform in the classroom.

That's the same excuse the folks in Boise used when they pulled two kids' scholarships this summer because they recruited kids that "projected higher" than these young men. I'll pose the same question to you that I posed to the Boise State people who defended cutting their two young men: do you think when Randy Rahe goes into the living room of a prospective recruit, he says, "Oh and one more thing: if your son doesn't produce as a basketball player like we think, or if we have a chance to recruit a better talent, your son will lose his scholarship?" I doubt that's part of the recruiting discussion. It's typically more along the lines of, "your son will be a part of the Weber family and we'll take great care of him."

I'm not accusing Rahe or Weber of doing anything that underhanded, because nobody knows what the true circumstances are surrounding this situation just yet. Some kids may be leaving the program for personal reasons, may be going on missions, or may just be home sick. All I'm saying is I hope Weber is not doing what Boise State did, which was flat out over-recruit a couple of kids and then send them packing. I know it's a hopelessly naive sentiment on my part, but college athletics should be about kids getting an education first and foremost. Once they commit to you, you should honor that academic commitment to them.

Dude, stop with the holier than though attitude. Don't think for a second that Evans wouldn't pull a scholarship for a significantly better player. Like it or not, D1 college athletics stopped being about kids and their schooling a long time ago. Coaches make way too much, and get fired way too often, to care about offending a kid's parents.

Hey, I never said ISU wouldn't pull a scholarship -- although I'd hope it would be done the more "traditional" way: coach has conversation with player, explains he's probably not going to see the floor for any substantial minutes and suggests he can find a nice D-II school for him if he's interested. Very fine line there. But you're right, unfortunately, college athletics have stopped being about the kids and their education a long time ago.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Bengal...you know your stuff and I appreciate your comments. However, the PAC-12 "commitment" is just that. They will try it for a few years and discover that it isn't the right formula. They are utilizing it now for a recruiting advantage, but it will end up biting them in the long run. They will get "stuck" with a bunch of players and will have to become professionals at counciling out athletes and finding reasons why they the student athlete "broke" their initial contracts. So many students transfer from DI schools every year and there are perhaps more in the major conferences than in the mid-major and lower confernces due to the pressures to win. Besides, any school that can pay players has a huge advantage over the ones that can't. Weber isn't in that company and neither is Donkey State.

 

[hdqweber]

It's hard to tell you else actually made offers. Does anyone know? The list of schools I terested in Jordan is impressive.

 

[oldrunner]

You can't really tell from the Verbal Commits site. The information comes from the kids themselves or sometimes their coaches. I think there are a lot of offers never reported and a lot of offers reported that really never happened. It's still fun to look at. Just like the star ratings, you need to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Like Oldrunner said, Verbal Commits is a decent website. It doesn't catch everything, but it does a really good job of highlighting program interests in athletes. It caught all the players Weber was most interested in.

This is Jordan's interest page: http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jordan-dallas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Teams of note: Tulane, St. Mary's, Wyoming, Pacific, UTEP, Loyola Marymount, and San Francisco...and a couple of other Big Sky schools: Montana, SUU and NAU. But, I'm sure there were more. Nzekwesi had a lot more offers than what Verbal Commits was showing. Scout, ESPN, and Rivals along with Verbal Commits is a good way to get a clearer understanding of what teams are looking for and who they are recruiting.

 

[oldrunner]

Jordan had a couple of Pac12 teams looking at him, Utah was one of them. I don't know if any offers were made, but my guess is probably not.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I don't know about Jordan, but I do know that a couple of major programs made a last gasp run at Nzekwesi. But he stayed firm. Just like what Clemson tried on Bolomboy.

 

[UtahPirate]

Is baseball really over????

Then it's time for some Weber basketball. I have two sports passions. Just switched one off, and ready to turn the other on. Pretty excited for this year and next year... uuuhhh, not prepared with the right words yet.

Just going to chime in on Bengal visitors comments. I'll preface it with this -- I despise Rick Majerus. Despise the man, though I don't completely understand the things that bedeviled him and RIP at this point. But, one of the things I hated was how he would drive kids out of his program year after a year and always have plenty of scholarships for an incoming class... drive a couple out the next year, always have plenty for the upcoming class. Then when the NCAA came calling and said the U's basketball graduation rates were too low, the man had the audacity to bitch and moan about how they graduated their kids, how unfair the NCAA was, etc. when the reasons for their poor rates were the number of players that entered their program and either couldn't survive his bullying or were driven away by Majerus (his harrassment of Lance Allred and literally abusing Lance for a hearing handicap being right on point). And this is only a small sample of why, as I said, I hated the Rotund Sweater Wearer. OK, oldrunner type history here which is showing my advanced age, generating an internal seething emotion -- and leaving many of you scratching your heads.

Soooo, part of that feeling is based on the promises that are made by coaches in a young man's living room. And Bengal hits a nerve with his post. I'm a big supporter of Rahe and his approach to both coaching and helping young men grow as individuals. I don't know what promises are made, but hope that Oldrunner is right and that he pulls no punches on what his recruits have to live up to -- or what their parents understand. All of these boys have high hopes and deserve the best consideration from the university we love and support. We seem to run a class program and I would hope this is an issue we handle with the same class. But Bengal, no troll comments from me. You make a good point that I think we should be aware of as WSU supporters.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Off topic: Pirate, your avatar brings a painful reminder of the CIT Championship game every time I see it. I just watched that game again a couple of weeks ago-- great game; great atmosphere; painful loss.

 

[Garsideline]

Got to speak with Jordan about coming to Weber State. He's a great kid. Can't wait to see him in person.

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