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Kicking Prospect?

jj2319 said:
I do agree the loss itself is not the fault of Diniz and no one is suggesting it is. 7 plays were run inside the MSU 5. Two were poor throws (one hit the DB in the facemask), two were stacked up runs and one was a very costly and stupid fumble by Fleming where he turned and hit the ball on his pulling tackle's leg.

Its just more than a little disconcerting when your kicker misses a 22 yard fieldgoal by 15 yards wide right. That missed kick is Diniz's fault under any circumstances. I have no confidence in the guy so I can only imagine how Sperbeck & Co. feel.


I completely agree. I guess we've been spoiled with Gamboa and Diniz 1.0 back to back. But a DI
Coach should expect that his kicker can make these chip shots. It completely alters the game strategy. Who knows what'll happen, but maybe 2 years on the sidelines practicing (like big bro did) could help out...
 
Homecoming Queen drills 31-yard FG to win game for HS team.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/Homecoming-queen-kicks-game-winning-field-goal-100311" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Kadeezy said:
Homecoming Queen drills 31-yard FG to win game HS team.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/Homecoming-queen-kicks-game-winning-field-goal-100311" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sperbeck needs to offer her a scholarship... :ohno:
 
StungAlum2 said:
Kadeezy said:
Homecoming Queen drills 31-yard FG to win game HS team.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/Homecoming-queen-kicks-game-winning-field-goal-100311" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sperbeck needs to offer her a scholarship... :ohno:

My cousin and fellow hornet fan is a frosh at SAC. We watched the game together and he's convinced he should give kicking a try at the college level and wants to hit the practice field this week (at a local HS).

Over the last two years (his Sr. and Jr. years; 2009 and 2010) he had touchbacks on 93% of his kickoffs (if the ball goes in the endzone it's an auto TB).

Other stats...

5 for 6 inside 30 yards
2 for 3 from 30-35 yards
3 for 5 from 35-40 yards
2 for 3 from 40-50 yards
1 for 2 from 50+

Long of 52 in-game. Long of 60 with wind at back and not defense in practice. Stay tuned...
 
Kadeezy said:
Homecoming Queen drills 31-yard FG to win game for HS team.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/Homecoming-queen-kicks-game-winning-field-goal-100311" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:notworthy:
 
Kadeezy said:
StungAlum2 said:
Kadeezy said:
Homecoming Queen drills 31-yard FG to win game HS team.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/Homecoming-queen-kicks-game-winning-field-goal-100311" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sperbeck needs to offer her a scholarship... :ohno:

My cousin and fellow hornet fan is a frosh at SAC. We watched the game together and he's convinced he should give kicking a try at the college level and wants to hit the practice field this week (at a local HS).

Over the last two years (his Sr. and Jr. years; 2009 and 2010) he had touchbacks on 93% of his kickoffs (if the ball goes in the endzone it's an auto TB).

Other stats...

5 for 6 inside 30 yards
2 for 3 from 30-35 yards
3 for 5 from 35-40 yards
2 for 3 from 40-50 yards
1 for 2 from 50+

Long of 52 in-game. Long of 60 with wind at back and not defense in practice. Stay tuned...

Nice!

Jason Diniz better not be back next season...
 
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Statistically-speaking-Kicker-hits-incredible-6?urn=highschool-wp6662" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd like to see this kid in a Hornet uniform!
 
HornetHope said:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Statistically-speaking-Kicker-hits-incredible-6?urn=highschool-wp6662

I'd like to see this kid in a Hornet uniform!

OK, let's get this guy for the long ones and the Michigan kicker for short-range accuracy!
 
Super Hornet said:
HornetHope said:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Statistically-speaking-Kicker-hits-incredible-6?urn=highschool-wp6662

I'd like to see this kid in a Hornet uniform!

OK, let's get this guy for the long ones and the Michigan kicker for short-range accuracy!
No need to waste more schollies than are needed. Find a kicker that can do both kickoffs and FG’s/PAT’s. :twocents:
 
Rather have a kid that hits 90% of his field goals and the longest he'll get you is 42 yds than a kid who can blast it from 50 yds, but only hits on 65% of his kicks. We just need someone we can trust.
 
I am not saying we should do this:

http://vitality.yahoo.com/video-second-act-alan-moore-26826041" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But I'm just saying.........
 
HH: There's something to be said for that. In general, straight-on kickers are more accurate than soccer-style kickers. The corollary to that, though, is that range is usually reduced. Not many straight-on kickers historically went more than 50 yards. I think Mark Moseley of the Redskins was the last of the straight-on kickers in the NFL when he retired in the '80s.

It's something to think about, anyway.
 
Super Hornet said:
HH: There's something to be said for that. In general, straight-on kickers are more accurate than soccer-style kickers. The corollary to that, though, is that range is usually reduced. Not many straight-on kickers historically went more than 50 yards. I think Mark Moseley of the Redskins was the last of the straight-on kickers in the NFL when he retired in the '80s.

It's something to think about, anyway.


hahahaha that is probably the most ignorant statement i have heard. There is a reason why nobody at the highest level kicks straight on anymore. But then again maybe they dont know what they are doing lol
 
SacHornet said:
Super Hornet said:
HH: There's something to be said for that. In general, straight-on kickers are more accurate than soccer-style kickers. The corollary to that, though, is that range is usually reduced. Not many straight-on kickers historically went more than 50 yards. I think Mark Moseley of the Redskins was the last of the straight-on kickers in the NFL when he retired in the '80s.

It's something to think about, anyway.


hahahaha that is probably the most ignorant statement i have heard. There is a reason why nobody at the highest level kicks straight on anymore. But then again maybe they dont know what they are doing lol

So what's the reason? It's still legal. Heck, the dropkick is still legal, as shown by the immortal Doug Flutie just a couple of years ago. When I was playing for (ahem, trying to play for) the Orange School before I came to Sac, the team had a straight on kicker. (Although in his case, he had no choice because his kicking leg was a prosthetic.)

Sounds like more modern elitism to me, especially some of the best known kickers in the NFL HOF kicked straight on.
 
Can we PLEASE stop bashing our kickers?

The ignorance on this board regarding specialists is astounding and drifting into the utterly ridiculous. Don’t you have anything better to do? …… like discuss the upcoming game or possibly the remainder of the season.

As a player with over 20 years of experience kicking and punting and as a coach with another 20 years teaching punting and kicking, I (almost) always enjoy any conversation regarding specialists. It is a too often misunderstood part of football so I am happy to help spread the right information. If you want to know something about this part of our game, just ask.

First understand “great kickers” are as rare as “great quarterbacks”. The few that can kickoff into the end zone and make 90% of their kicks are playing for the big schools, and even the biggest schools sometimes struggle with poor kicking, just like they struggle with inconsistent quarterbacking, inexcusable play calling and terrible defense. It’s called football and it is NOT perfect, neither are the players or coaches on any team in the country. These are college kids not professionals so keep your perspective. The simple truth is you either love The Hornets or you don’t.

Please allow me to streamline this thread:

1) Bad mouthing our players in an attempt to displace them so your “relative” can get a shot is not the way to go. If your guy can do the job, send him out to practice. I’ll be happy to evaluate him. If he has potential I can help him prepare for this level of ball, including proper biomechanics, working as part of the unit and focusing in the moment….. plus I have some great advice about dealing with ignorant fan comments.

2) Putting 100% of the blame on one player for any failed play is wrong. There are ALWAYS other factors involved in live action. Often they are un-noticed by the untrained eye. Bloggers here have proclaimed they were in position to see “perfect snaps and holds” but that’s not accurate. There is even an article bashing our kicker but ironically the picture in the article clearly shows problems beyond the kickers’ control. Other pictures available show more so look and learn before you speak.

3) Soccer style kicking replaced “straight on” for several reasons including much greater accuracy based on a wider sweet spot on the kicking foot. One of the few draw backs to soccer style is the difficulty making the “drop kick” which is still allowed but rarely attempted. There are fewer than a dozen guys in the country that can do it so that’s why it’s never done.

4) Here at Sac State Football we don’t recruit girls, out of state players or kids with fluky talent but little track record of football success. Please stop scouring the earth for more players, thanks anyway.

Hornet specialists (Bobak, Heath and Diniz) have earned their starting positions through hard work and consistent effort on and off the field. They care more than you could imagine and they’re working very hard to improve. The coaches (and parents) want better results in the games and plenty of pressure is being applied, believe me. There are competent replacements already on the roster if needed, but currently our coaches trust these guys with the ball …….. and so should everyone else.

GO Hornets
PS. Beat Northern Colorado!
 
FamousBaller said:
Can we PLEASE stop bashing our kickers?

The ignorance on this board regarding specialists is astounding and drifting into the utterly ridiculous. Don’t you have anything better to do? …… like discuss the upcoming game or possibly the remainder of the season.

As a player with over 20 years of experience kicking and punting and as a coach with another 20 years teaching punting and kicking, I (almost) always enjoy any conversation regarding specialists. It is a too often misunderstood part of football so I am happy to help spread the right information. If you want to know something about this part of our game, just ask.

First understand “great kickers” are as rare as “great quarterbacks”. The few that can kickoff into the end zone and make 90% of their kicks are playing for the big schools, and even the biggest schools sometimes struggle with poor kicking, just like they struggle with inconsistent quarterbacking, inexcusable play calling and terrible defense. It’s called football and it is NOT perfect, neither are the players or coaches on any team in the country. These are college kids not professionals so keep your perspective. The simple truth is you either love The Hornets or you don’t.

Please allow me to streamline this thread:

1) Bad mouthing our players in an attempt to displace them so your “relative” can get a shot is not the way to go. If your guy can do the job, send him out to practice. I’ll be happy to evaluate him. If he has potential I can help him prepare for this level of ball, including proper biomechanics, working as part of the unit and focusing in the moment….. plus I have some great advice about dealing with ignorant fan comments.

2) Putting 100% of the blame on one player for any failed play is wrong. There are ALWAYS other factors involved in live action. Often they are un-noticed by the untrained eye. Bloggers here have proclaimed they were in position to see “perfect snaps and holds” but that’s not accurate. There is even an article bashing our kicker but ironically the picture in the article clearly shows problems beyond the kickers’ control. Other pictures available show more so look and learn before you speak.

3) Soccer style kicking replaced “straight on” for several reasons including much greater accuracy based on a wider sweet spot on the kicking foot. One of the few draw backs to soccer style is the difficulty making the “drop kick” which is still allowed but rarely attempted. There are fewer than a dozen guys in the country that can do it so that’s why it’s never done.

4) Here at Sac State Football we don’t recruit girls, out of state players or kids with fluky talent but little track record of football success. Please stop scouring the earth for more players, thanks anyway.

Hornet specialists (Bobak, Heath and Diniz) have earned their starting positions through hard work and consistent effort on and off the field. They care more than you could imagine and they’re working very hard to improve. The coaches (and parents) want better results in the games and plenty of pressure is being applied, believe me. There are competent replacements already on the roster if needed, but currently our coaches trust these guys with the ball …….. and so should everyone else.

GO Hornets
PS. Beat Northern Colorado!

If you don't like the thread, don't read it.

There are some serious issues with regard to Sac State's kicking, those issues don't seem to be being addressed. As a person who donates money to the university and purchases season tickets, I'll say whatever I want to, I'll be as critical as I want, and I'll complain as much as I want. When the games are free and the university stops asking me for donations, then you can expect me to be quiet. Until then, avoid threads regarding kicking.

If the coaches trusted Diniz with the ball, the Hornets would be going for it every 4th down when they are clearly within any okay kickers' range. Typically, players that work hard improve, he hasnt.

Jason Diniz, up to this point in the season, is absolutely TERRIBLE! His missed 22 yard field goal had a profound affect on the momentum of last weeks game!

Augie Heath did an okay job, he has his moment though.
 
Good post famouballer but I’ll add my $0.02 regarding this thread:

  • 1. A sense of humor is a must. I highly doubt that anyone was serious about recruiting those kickers in the links above.
    2. Please do enlighten us on the mechanics of kicking. I am sure many of us posters have never kicked or coached as long as you have so feel free to continue to give us some insight.
    3. I agree about trying not to single out players especially when they pull a choke job, but c’mon. Diniz2 missed a 25 yarder followed with a missed 22 yarder the following week. He makes those “easy” kicks and this thread does not exist.
    4. Seeing as the only new component of the FG unit this season is Diniz2 (Bobak and Fleming are both returners in their snapping and holding roles), it’s obviously why people feel that Diniz2 shoulders much of the blame. I understand there can be mistakes made with any of these 3 players during a FG attempt, however the constant from last season to this season is the snapping and holding which leave the kicking as the only changing variable. Diniz1 had no such struggles which suggest that Diniz2 isn’t up to a D-1 kicking standard we have become accustomed to and a standard that we all should expect to see on a weekly basis.
    5. We all want Diniz2 to get it together, however it’s safe to say none of us have the patience to deal with a struggling kicker who has shown no signs of improvement week to week in a season where expectations are high. Ultimately the decision is on the coaches to decide what is best for the team going forward.
    6. How in the hell is a kicking thread about to reach 3 pages!?!
    7. I also agree the focus needs to be on UNC. Go Hornets!

Disclaimer: Heaven help us if any games are decided by our FG unit.
 
Seriously, please understand I'm being humorous and venting about the kicking as a long-ailing Hornet fan. But I'm on-board with SD. The kicking has been terrible this year and has to improve, period.
 
I agree the kicking game needs improvement and our guys are working hard on it. No excuses here.

Like most positions, it's the little things that make a difference. Unfortunately when a small thing is missed on a live kick or punt, the results are ugly...... no less ugly than any other type of failed play, just more visible. What I don't care for is calling out and embarrassing a student athlete, so I ask for perspective when feeling the need to share your opinion.

I can say with certainty that our specialists are technically sound in their mechanics, they understand their responsibilities and they are mentally tough.

This is a good week for our FG unit to work out the kinks. Hopefully they will get everything together and become more consistent so that our coaches have all available weapons ready to go. I belive they can be great.

Go Hornets!
 
Actually, I'd like to know what the alignment was like on those short ones Diniz missed. Often, given college hashmarks, kicking from the hash from up close makes for crazy angles.
 

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