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Let the speculation begin
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VikNut said:
Yes. Based purely on this rant from years back:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/go-play-intramurals/129p4wop" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Canzano is calling for Lake Oswego's Steve Coury to be AD, Mark Speckman head coach, and Neil Lomax to be brought in as his lead offensive assistant.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...rtland_state_doesnt.html#incart_story_package
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...rtland_state_doesnt.html#incart_story_package
PSUVikings2
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June Jones has tons of $$$, and said he wants another rebuilding job. Well...
thundercatt99
Member
Anyone else find it odd that this happened while we still have an AD yet? Surely there must be a plan in place to fire a coach and owing him another years salary. Something must be lined up and in place ready to be announced. A new coach? A modification of end of the program?
thundercatt99
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Let the speculation begin indeed!
http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2014/11/candidates_line_up_for_the_por.html#incart_story_package" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2014/11/candidates_line_up_for_the_por.html#incart_story_package" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
VikThunder
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VikHoops said:
Canzano has a weird fascination with Mark Speckman. Really weird. Speckman of course does not have the resume to be a candidate.
Hopefully this won't be a search by committee like we used to choose Nigel Burton. What a disaster. No more search by committees.
VikThunder
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Can I be outrageous and suggest Beau Baldwin? How about a change from EWU? Talk about a resume builder. Taking over at PSU and rebuilding into a champion. You could write your ticket anywhere.
VikThunderous said:
Not wanting to be disrespectful to you VikThunderous, but that is outrageous. Baldwin would have to be insane to make that change.
And yes, Canzano is all about Speckman for some reason. He may be onto something. I think simply winning games isn't going to fill the seats enough. They need a winning coach who can also draw in an audience. I don't know enough about him to say that Speckman fills that bill, but I do know he is a heck of a public speaker. I wonder if he can sell the program to Portland.
Maybe we should start a kickstarter campaign to pay June Jone's salary?
bigskyconf
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I still say we need someone who knows Portland State, knows Oregon, and knows the Big Sky. That person is Pflugrad, although the situation he found himself in at Montana may have soured him on coaching and he may like his cushy consulting job in Phoenix enough to never leave it. But I think someone should check on his interest here, at least.
I think proven head coaching experience is a must. We need a coach who can grab attention with his name or can create enthusiasm in the public one person or group at a time. We need offensive fireworks on the field for a fun brand of football. Right now that really points to June Jones or Mark Speckman. It would also be good to have someone that REALLY WANTS the job. Side note, Glanville was hired when we had interim AD.
bigskyconf
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VikNut said:
Glanville was also a "name" hire, someone who could spark the sense of enthusiasm that you speak of. However, that fell quickly. Whoever we get, Wiewel and the new AD are going to have to convince them that PSU football is not going away any time soon. No good coach is going to want to come here if they think the program only has one or maybe two good years left in it.
Also, the last time we went head to head in coaching vacancies with Montana, they took our #1 choice (Pflugrad) and we settled with Burton.
martymoose said:
In all reality, Hawkins set the table rather well for Chris Petersen in terms of recruiting. Then he went to Colorado and never got out of the gutter. Then he went to Canada last year and lasted 5 GAMES as Montreal head coach. He regressed and I have my doubts he gets it back.
That rant is kind of the demarcation line of his career. Besides, he's more suited to the TV job he had.
VikThunder
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VikHoops said:
Outrageous is how we should be acting! If he says no, we haven't lost anything.
I also think you discount winning. Winning grabs a lot of attention and creates its own marketing firestorm. We simply need a guy that can win big. Like a Beau Baldwin or someone like him.
I think PSU Football has the potential to be big. We just have to win. If we had an EWU caliber football team, then we'd see the big crowds.
VikThunder
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VikNut said:
No Mark Speckman. I don't like his style of football. he was struggling at Willamette and didn't do anything at Menlo College.
June Jones is getting pretty old. Can he bring it?
I think we need a younger prospect.
VikThunder
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bigskyconf said:
Again, it is worth a phone call. He might bring his son Aaron with him from ASU.
If I remember correctly, Pflugrad was to be our OC under Burton when he got the UM job. I like several of the alleged candidates. I wouldn't give Canzano's views any credibility. If he'd choose without knowing who's in the running, I don't consider it a very thoughtful choice. :thumb: :rant:
BroadwayVik
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If June Jones would deign to do it, he is my clear choice as Head Coach.
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He has ready choices of talented OCs (Al Borges, Robin Pflugrad, Mark Speckman, his own choice), and
DCs as well (Jaime Hill, Greg Lupfer, his own choice).
If Nigel Burton's mission was to set the table with talented players, he has done a fine job in that and needs to be recognized for having completed his mission with integrity. I would love to see him retained as Recruiting Coordinator and, perhaps, Special Teams Coordinator. He may have other options.
In such case, I wouldn't know what to think about Interim Head Coach Bruce Barnum. If he was installed as part of the preparation team, perhaps he is a quality OC. I don't know. I would feel best if June Jones, known for turning losing programs into winning programs, took the reins and made a clear, not muddled decision about his assistant coaches. He may well prefer Tom Mason in that role.
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June Jones "too old"?! Certainly not! He, I feel, has established his reputation and is now ready to enjoy its benefits. A successful homecoming in this regard would be triumphant, and greatly enriched given that he would be able to connect with PSU's great resouces to bring them all together: from "the Elder Statesman" Mouse Davis, to the College Football Hall of Famer, Neil Lomax, to "the NFL Consultant" Jerry Glanville (Jordan Senn, Adam Hayward, etc.), to "Big Al" Borges and, frankly, all the rest. He is 61 years old. In a coach's life, he is in his prime. He could be very, very well the catalyst to cause recruiting to be bumped up even more, and punctuated; the wins to come our way; attendance to become a hot ticket. It all depends on his state of philanthropy toward one of the universities for which he played and his relationships with those who hold the flame of desire that this program be developed up to where it rightfully could and should have been, really, all along.
__________He has ready choices of talented OCs (Al Borges, Robin Pflugrad, Mark Speckman, his own choice), and
DCs as well (Jaime Hill, Greg Lupfer, his own choice).
If Nigel Burton's mission was to set the table with talented players, he has done a fine job in that and needs to be recognized for having completed his mission with integrity. I would love to see him retained as Recruiting Coordinator and, perhaps, Special Teams Coordinator. He may have other options.
In such case, I wouldn't know what to think about Interim Head Coach Bruce Barnum. If he was installed as part of the preparation team, perhaps he is a quality OC. I don't know. I would feel best if June Jones, known for turning losing programs into winning programs, took the reins and made a clear, not muddled decision about his assistant coaches. He may well prefer Tom Mason in that role.
__________June Jones "too old"?! Certainly not! He, I feel, has established his reputation and is now ready to enjoy its benefits. A successful homecoming in this regard would be triumphant, and greatly enriched given that he would be able to connect with PSU's great resouces to bring them all together: from "the Elder Statesman" Mouse Davis, to the College Football Hall of Famer, Neil Lomax, to "the NFL Consultant" Jerry Glanville (Jordan Senn, Adam Hayward, etc.), to "Big Al" Borges and, frankly, all the rest. He is 61 years old. In a coach's life, he is in his prime. He could be very, very well the catalyst to cause recruiting to be bumped up even more, and punctuated; the wins to come our way; attendance to become a hot ticket. It all depends on his state of philanthropy toward one of the universities for which he played and his relationships with those who hold the flame of desire that this program be developed up to where it rightfully could and should have been, really, all along.
Jones at SMU
1-11
8-5 (w/bowl win)
7-7
8-5
7-6
5-7
"Resigned" after 0-2 this year, SMU still winless.
Does he have the energy for modern recruiting?
I don't care if Jones is "too old." I think the real issue is that he won't sign on if PSU won't fund the program to his specifications, and PSU won't do that.
If he does, is his name synonymous with Lomax? Is he really a draw when the Chip Kelly offense has pretty much taken over the state (watch what the high schools are playing these days)? Funnier things have happened, but it's not the way to bet.
1-11
8-5 (w/bowl win)
7-7
8-5
7-6
5-7
"Resigned" after 0-2 this year, SMU still winless.
Does he have the energy for modern recruiting?
I don't care if Jones is "too old." I think the real issue is that he won't sign on if PSU won't fund the program to his specifications, and PSU won't do that.
If he does, is his name synonymous with Lomax? Is he really a draw when the Chip Kelly offense has pretty much taken over the state (watch what the high schools are playing these days)? Funnier things have happened, but it's not the way to bet.
BroadwayVik
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The SMU job was his money-maker, over $12 million over the span of his time there. Utility theory says that beyond certain levels of money realized that other factors then become more important to keep the work meaningful. The market value of his services is tremendous, the difference between what PSU could afford to pay him and his market value would be considered a charitable contribution, at the very least relationally.
1-11.........$2 million........Maximal interest
8-5*.........$4 million........High interest
7-7..........$6 million........High interest
8-5..........$8 million........Good interest
7-6.........$10 million........Interest beginning to wane
5-7.........$12 million........Interest waning
0-2**.......$12+million.......Interest eroded
Did he turn the program aroundat SMU? Yes, but not sustainably so. I believe it began to revert back when the job became less personally meaningful to him. The trend shows he left at the right time, when he realized his heart was no longer in the job and had to admit his need to vacate for fiduciary reasons. His actual level of interest was the significant factor. He also had other life issues pressing him. He made his money.
Back when he departed Hawaii for the opportunity to be highly well-paid for his developmental talent, that program also found itself reverting, it went like a balloon letting out its air, collapsing. His being there to buoy up the program was the significant factor.
If he comes back to Portland, then we stakeholders at Portland State University will need to take a chapter from Boise State University's history book and ensure not only the program's sustainability afterward, but also continued growth when he were to accomplish his developmental mission here.
He may then decide to return to Hawaii, to fill in gaps and holes, prop them back up and ensure their return to the level of play where he had them before. If I were him, I would, for a meaningful latter life, maintain homes in both Hawaii and Portland, consulting for both teams, visiting family back home and enjoying the life in the tropics.
I think June Jones would be a great fit for this gig, as it would provide rich meaning to his developmental forte (now that he's be recognized through incredible sums), very near to where his family lives and at one of the three universities where he played (UO, UH, PSU).
UO is obviously well taken care of now, Hawaii he has already helped (and may help again, perhaps as a consultant). He would now be able to turn his full attention to awaken the sleeping significance that is Portland State University, the public university of his home town, and a kind of alma mater for him. He may also do it in relationship for his old coach, the grandfather of the program, Mouse Davis.
1-11.........$2 million........Maximal interest
8-5*.........$4 million........High interest
7-7..........$6 million........High interest
8-5..........$8 million........Good interest
7-6.........$10 million........Interest beginning to wane
5-7.........$12 million........Interest waning
0-2**.......$12+million.......Interest eroded
Did he turn the program aroundat SMU? Yes, but not sustainably so. I believe it began to revert back when the job became less personally meaningful to him. The trend shows he left at the right time, when he realized his heart was no longer in the job and had to admit his need to vacate for fiduciary reasons. His actual level of interest was the significant factor. He also had other life issues pressing him. He made his money.
Back when he departed Hawaii for the opportunity to be highly well-paid for his developmental talent, that program also found itself reverting, it went like a balloon letting out its air, collapsing. His being there to buoy up the program was the significant factor.
If he comes back to Portland, then we stakeholders at Portland State University will need to take a chapter from Boise State University's history book and ensure not only the program's sustainability afterward, but also continued growth when he were to accomplish his developmental mission here.
He may then decide to return to Hawaii, to fill in gaps and holes, prop them back up and ensure their return to the level of play where he had them before. If I were him, I would, for a meaningful latter life, maintain homes in both Hawaii and Portland, consulting for both teams, visiting family back home and enjoying the life in the tropics.
I think June Jones would be a great fit for this gig, as it would provide rich meaning to his developmental forte (now that he's be recognized through incredible sums), very near to where his family lives and at one of the three universities where he played (UO, UH, PSU).
UO is obviously well taken care of now, Hawaii he has already helped (and may help again, perhaps as a consultant). He would now be able to turn his full attention to awaken the sleeping significance that is Portland State University, the public university of his home town, and a kind of alma mater for him. He may also do it in relationship for his old coach, the grandfather of the program, Mouse Davis.
