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Just got back from the game. The most frustrating game of the year. Make your damn free throws and don't be lazy on rebounds. Also, piss poor call got Gregory to the line during the last seconds of the game. The ref who called it was 40 yards away. :twisted:
 
There's no true leader on this team and that shouldn't be an issue when you have four seniors. I really thought Tevin, Dom or Tim (or all three) would step up and fill the need. I just haven't seen it. Very disappointing to watch the continuous up and downs from this squad.
 
Beardown said:
Just got back from the game. The most frustrating game of the year. Make your damn free throws and don't be lazy on rebounds. Also, piss poor call got Gregory to the line during the last seconds of the game. The ref who called it was 40 yards away. :twisted:
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That call was a disgrace. Same stuff, different day in this conference, though, officials are either incompetent or crooked.
 
5minmajor said:
There's no true leader on this team and that shouldn't be an issue when you have four seniors. I really thought Tevin, Dom or Tim (or all three) would step up and fill the need. I just haven't seen it. Very disappointing to watch the continuous up and downs from this squad.
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Very true. You would expect a senior to step up and make free throws in crunch time. Pretty pathetic. :thumbdown:
 
5minmajor said:
There's no true leader on this team and that shouldn't be an issue when you have four seniors. I really thought Tevin, Dom or Tim (or all three) would step up and fill the need. I just haven't seen it. Very disappointing to watch the continuous up and downs from this squad.
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You got that right, and it starts at the very, very top with Hill. He has been a .500 coach for 5 years and that's all he will ever be. We should not be suprised that this is where we sit today. :thumbdown:
 
bearuncle said:
5minmajor said:
There's no true leader on this team and that shouldn't be an issue when you have four seniors. I really thought Tevin, Dom or Tim (or all three) would step up and fill the need. I just haven't seen it. Very disappointing to watch the continuous up and downs from this squad.
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You got that right, and it starts at the very, very top with Hill. He has been a .500 coach for 5 years and that's all he will ever be. We should not be suprised that this is where we sit today. :thumbdown:
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Is basketball about the players, coaches or a program in general? Every year someone on this board comments about the team leaders. Last year we talked about Tate, Derrick and Tevin. This year the young men mentioned above. The one constant in every discussion is Hill. Why does it appear that we struggle with leadership? I will suggest it has a lot to do with Hill.

Lets look at his record, besides the Kansas St. win, name one game where we have knocked off a better team or bigger program. Heck lets look at the conference games, Hills February record is 17-19. His record against Montana is 4 and 8 career overall. His career record is 73 and 74. My point: we would love for the Bears to win more games, but it appears that under Hill, the Bears are a .500 club. This is regardless of who are the perceived floor leaders. If that record for UNC is unacceptable, I will let the powers that be decide the programs fate.

Cue Downtownbear!
 
bearuncle said:
bearuncle said:
5minmajor said:
There's no true leader on this team and that shouldn't be an issue when you have four seniors. I really thought Tevin, Dom or Tim (or all three) would step up and fill the need. I just haven't seen it. Very disappointing to watch the continuous up and downs from this squad.
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You got that right, and it starts at the very, very top with Hill. He has been a .500 coach for 5 years and that's all he will ever be. We should not be suprised that this is where we sit today. :thumbdown:
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Is basketball about the players, coaches or a program in general? Every year someone on this board comments about the team leaders. Last year we talked about Tate, Derrick and Tevin. This year the young men mentioned above. The one constant in every discussion is Hill. Why does it appear that we struggle with leadership? I will suggest it has a lot to do with Hill.

Lets look at his record, besides the Kansas St. win, name one game where we have knocked off a better team or bigger program. Heck lets look at the conference games, Hills February record is 17-19. His record against Montana is 4 and 8 career overall. His career record is 73 and 74. My point: we would love for the Bears to win more games, but it appears that under Hill, the Bears are a .500 club. This is regardless of who are the perceived floor leaders. If that record for UNC is unacceptable, I will let the powers that be decide the programs fate.

Cue Downtownbear!
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When we entered D1 basketball, I would have thought a consistent .500 record with a chance to make a run (win) in the Big Sky tournament every few years would be a solid goal. When you look at some of the more established Big Sky teams, how do we stack up against their facilities, campus life and coaches pay? My guess is we are not up there with the Montana's and Weber State's of the world. If we continue at this pace, I am fairly happy and would prefer not to rock the boat too much.
 
Brian said:
bearuncle said:
bearuncle said:
5minmajor said:
There's no true leader on this team and that shouldn't be an issue when you have four seniors. I really thought Tevin, Dom or Tim (or all three) would step up and fill the need. I just haven't seen it. Very disappointing to watch the continuous up and downs from this squad.
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You got that right, and it starts at the very, very top with Hill. He has been a .500 coach for 5 years and that's all he will ever be. We should not be suprised that this is where we sit today. :thumbdown:
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Is basketball about the players, coaches or a program in general? Every year someone on this board comments about the team leaders. Last year we talked about Tate, Derrick and Tevin. This year the young men mentioned above. The one constant in every discussion is Hill. Why does it appear that we struggle with leadership? I will suggest it has a lot to do with Hill.

Lets look at his record, besides the Kansas St. win, name one game where we have knocked off a better team or bigger program. Heck lets look at the conference games, Hills February record is 17-19. His record against Montana is 4 and 8 career overall. His career record is 73 and 74. My point: we would love for the Bears to win more games, but it appears that under Hill, the Bears are a .500 club. This is regardless of who are the perceived floor leaders. If that record for UNC is unacceptable, I will let the powers that be decide the programs fate.

Cue Downtownbear!
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When we entered D1 basketball, I would have thought a consistent .500 record with a chance to make a run (win) in the Big Sky tournament every few years would be a solid goal. When you look at some of the more established Big Sky teams, how do we stack up against their facilities, campus life and coaches pay? My guess is we are not up there with the Montana's and Weber State's of the world. If we continue at this pace, I am fairly happy and would prefer not to rock the boat too much.
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If that goal is acceptable today, then the Bears are right where they want to be. My guess is no one really likes the current status of win one loose one.
 
larryteeling said:
Considing the high school gym that we play in and our funding on the low end, coach Hill does a find job.
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Exactly. Until we step up our donations and attendance, we shouldn't expect anything more. Boyle is a rarity. When the alumni and community give below average donations, we must expect below average coaches and players.
 
Beardown said:
larryteeling said:
Considing the high school gym that we play in and our funding on the low end, coach Hill does a find job.
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Exactly. Until we step up our donations and attendance, we shouldn't expect anything more. Boyle is a rarity. When the alumni and community give below average donations, we must expect below average coaches and players.
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As of this date 2/19/15 coach Boyle is 38% in conference wins with tons of support and coach Hill is 53.8% in conference wins with limited support so I don't think he is doing such a bad job with what he has to deal with. As always if you have lots of talent you look like a great coach and with no talent you look like a bad coach.
 
Here's where I'm at with B.J., he's not good enough to get us through this glass ceiling we seem to have hit the last couple years, but he is good enough not to get fired. So we're a bit stuck.
 
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