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Chex said:
Nobody literally thought we had a chance right? That was a horrible effort. It all starts at the top. Rahe pre-game was already predicting who would win and who would lose. Honestly , the university needs to keep him out of the media. He’s a lost cause, and we will be like my to win 0.250 of games this year. Man, we are terrible.
Olds, do you still think Rahe is god’s gift to the program?
Webergrad02
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Olds is too busy starting trolling threads about firing coach Hill on the football forum. I am not sure if he even cares about the program any more or has lost his mind.
The conference has a lot of parity this year so road wind are going to be tough for anyone. All home teams won last night. It's going to be a long season if we unload on coach after every loss. So I am going to save my venom for the home losses.
However, there is a formula for.having zero chance on the road: Let your opponent shoot 60%. Then you take half of your total attempts from 3 and only make 30% of them. It doesn't take a math expert to figure out thats not going to cut it.
The conference has a lot of parity this year so road wind are going to be tough for anyone. All home teams won last night. It's going to be a long season if we unload on coach after every loss. So I am going to save my venom for the home losses.
However, there is a formula for.having zero chance on the road: Let your opponent shoot 60%. Then you take half of your total attempts from 3 and only make 30% of them. It doesn't take a math expert to figure out thats not going to cut it.
First, and most importantly, Olds is a great guy, friend, and huge supporter of our community and university. I might not always agree with him but I do appreciate his passion for Wildcat Athletics. He’s done a lot for Weber and I’m grateful for his support. We need Oldrunners and WSUfans if we ever want to become more than what we currently are.
As for the game, I didn’t even remember we had a game. Randy definitely has his work cut out for him. This team is bad. It’s been thirty years since we’ve seen a team this bad. Even with Cravens last team I saw more potential. Weber should not be this bad compared to the rest of the Sky. Resources and facilities are nowhere near equal yet we are losing to programs with far less.
As for the game, I didn’t even remember we had a game. Randy definitely has his work cut out for him. This team is bad. It’s been thirty years since we’ve seen a team this bad. Even with Cravens last team I saw more potential. Weber should not be this bad compared to the rest of the Sky. Resources and facilities are nowhere near equal yet we are losing to programs with far less.
Webergrad02
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talhadfoursteals said:
He is better than to start a garbage thread like that. Then he stays away from the basketball forum when his predictions or inside information is proved wrong. The best is when he creates a burner account and talks to himself.
I am to the point where this season is a total loss. I am afraid a 20 loss season is going to be a reality.
Chex
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webergrad02 said:
I know from my posts that it seems like I’m a downer, but it’s just hard to see basketball in the dumps like this. I agree road wins will be tough to come by, but I think home wins are going to be tough, too. There is no team concept...just players chucking up threes. I think Barnes is a good team player, but Rahe wants to park him on the bench permanently.
It’s also tough to see last minute collapses due to short rotations and poor confidence...but what is the toughest is the same coach speak quotes with zero energy or who admittedly doesn’t care about OOC games. It’s becoming more apparent Beckner was the reason for the early successes during Rahe.
As for Olds, I don’t think it benefits anyone that he started the fire Hill thread. No one is saying that. Some of us think the offense could be greatly improved by a new OC and possibly a new QB. I like he gives benefits of the doubts to coaches, but there are times to make improvements...like when Sears ran the program.
Long basketball season ahead. Oh well. Have a good one.
Don’t worry about this season. Worry about the next two seasons. There’s no one coming in to turn this thing around. His teams style of play is hard to figure out! Barnes, Zdor and other players came to Weber State expecting to be part of an organization based on a team concept. Instead they have this crazy style of offense which doesn’t fit the personnel. This is just the beginning!
SWWeatherCat
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Chex said:
It's become more than apparent Beckner deserved the salary going to Rahe. Anyone who knows me would not believe there could be any point in my life that I could have next to no interest in WSU bball-- thanks coach!
Olds' "Fire Hill" thread is stupid and even when considered seriously, there's no comparison in the legitimate complaints and problems with Rahe and where he's taken the basketball program, to hoping Hill will recognize the weaknesses of a great football team and look to improve them. The football team is on the doorstep of a championship, looking at yourself honestly and critically can only help to take that final step. There's nothing personal if there is a better QB or OC to help take that last step. There's also nothing wrong with Hill seeing it differently than Joe Fan and staying the course
Chex
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SWWeatherCat said:
Agreed. If Hill wants to keep Schramm on, that’s his prerogative, and I’ll be in the stands there hoping the offense breaks out. I was there during the 1-10 and 2-10 years, so I am not a fair weather fan.
The offense was ranked 8th in conference and 12th in pass efficiency. Can you imagine what they would do with a 3rd or 4th conference ranked offense? I think the talent is mostly there. The line could improve a bit, but they are asked to do a lot with sweep run blocking. If the passing game can keep the defenses from stacking against the run, it could go a long way.
I love running the ball and am not pass happy, but you need a passing game that is effective enough to be viable, especially against the best FCS or FBS teams. It could also help put some games away, too.
The defense has been called upon to win too many games on their own.
As for basketball, I am getting less and less interested in going to the games or even watching on Pluto TV and it’s not because of losing, but how the losses are coming, style of play, and apathy of coaching. I haven’t been to a game yet.
The Purple Palace is the best facility and the fan support is still the best in conference. It is in desperate need of new leadership as it can’t go on like this. I think a coach like Becker or an eager coach could put a program together to do what Hill is doing for football now. At bare minimum a scrappy team that runs a team style concept and gives full energy would get me going...even if the results weren’t much better.
SWWeatherCat
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Chex said:
Forget about a winning season with this group. This team will be lucky to get to .500. Would I love to see these kids get on a roll and put together a winning streak? YES! However, I just don't see it happening. Long term contracts = apathy, complacency and, I guess, too much security. To me, I would be extremely weary about the amount of $$$ being invested into the program, and how much $$$ being generated by the program. I went to the last home game and the Dee looked like a ghost town, and that was against Idaho. I don't see things getting any better.
So, this team losses both Harding and John. Nero has already left (I still don't see how anyone getting major mins is better than him, but...) and I'm guessing one or possibly two more guys leave. Who knows how healthy Kupsas will be once he gets back. The type of injury he sustained is bad, but, as long as coach doesn't push him and actually allows him to recover, I think he should be fine by next Summer and ready for next season. With how Zdor and Barns have been treated, I don't suspect either returning. So, in essence, Randy will have need to find 5 guys this Spring. If Dallin Hall signs, that would be a HUGE coup for Rahe and Co, but from what I have heard, he is an automatic mission kid. He would be a great step in the right direction though. No matter, Randy needs to find two more guys who can contribute immediately. Brizee might be a big who can, but I haven't heard anything about his development for a while. So, I just don't know. I don't get why Morris never leaves the pine. I know he isn't the greatest athlete and is a defensive liability, but who isn't on this team? He does have one thing going for him, he is a basketball player who understands the role of a team. Not something Randy is interested in any more. There once was a time that Randy was all for team and toughness. Not now...he just wants to ride the latest athlete in hopes of serious success. Guess it isn't working anymore.
So, this team losses both Harding and John. Nero has already left (I still don't see how anyone getting major mins is better than him, but...) and I'm guessing one or possibly two more guys leave. Who knows how healthy Kupsas will be once he gets back. The type of injury he sustained is bad, but, as long as coach doesn't push him and actually allows him to recover, I think he should be fine by next Summer and ready for next season. With how Zdor and Barns have been treated, I don't suspect either returning. So, in essence, Randy will have need to find 5 guys this Spring. If Dallin Hall signs, that would be a HUGE coup for Rahe and Co, but from what I have heard, he is an automatic mission kid. He would be a great step in the right direction though. No matter, Randy needs to find two more guys who can contribute immediately. Brizee might be a big who can, but I haven't heard anything about his development for a while. So, I just don't know. I don't get why Morris never leaves the pine. I know he isn't the greatest athlete and is a defensive liability, but who isn't on this team? He does have one thing going for him, he is a basketball player who understands the role of a team. Not something Randy is interested in any more. There once was a time that Randy was all for team and toughness. Not now...he just wants to ride the latest athlete in hopes of serious success. Guess it isn't working anymore.
Tal’s post might be the b-ball post of the year! It’s not a team in crisis, it’s a program. Unless changes are made soon Weber State’s dominance in the BSC is going to only be a memory. I looked today and we are the 286th ranked team in the NCAA’s. It’s not a pretty picture and with the recruits coming in and the players leaving the program there’s nothing to look forward to in the future. If you’re a guard looking to get shots, Weber is a great option. But if you’re looking to win and play sound basketball, it’s a dead end destination. I look at Barnes and Zdor and wonder what they think about their future at Weber? It’s a sad situation when we depend on Cody John to lead us to victory! I’d rather see Rahe play Morris and others than guys who are just out there to get stats!
I agree with y’all that Barnes talent is being completely wasted and along with Nero will probably be transferring soon and it’s a shame because both are dawgs. I am having a hard time trying to figure out what you are all seeing in Zdor that I’m not seeing though. The kid has never proven a thing. Really pay attention the next time he plays. He is lost all the time, he cannot back anyone down in the post, he gets backed down every time he is on defense, his post moves are atrocious and you don’t have to see the coaches yelling at him to know that he runs plays wrong. He has yet to prove he can play against D1 teams and the style of play has nothing to do with it because Fuller has managed to play good on a consistent basis. If Zdor transfers it will definitely not be to another D1 school
Webergrad02
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How does Cody John not end up in the dog house? That loss is on him. If we keep fouling the inbound there is no way UNC gets a decent shot with a second left. That was clearly the plan.
How many times did they score on the two man roll to the basket in the second half? That adjustment should have been made after the first uncontested lay up. Giving up those offensive boards. You have to box out!
Great game Kozak! Too bad it was wasted by a senior not following the game plan.
How many times did they score on the two man roll to the basket in the second half? That adjustment should have been made after the first uncontested lay up. Giving up those offensive boards. You have to box out!
Great game Kozak! Too bad it was wasted by a senior not following the game plan.
Chex
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webergrad02 said:
Totally agree. John should be benched and get limited minutes until he can follow the game plan. Not only did he not foul, he folded like an umbrella and let them drive all too easy.
So basically, Idaho let Weber State off the hook...other than that it’s one win against a same level team...and how they won in Orem is beyond me.
Very rough times...and now Washington State is interested in Coach Hill. Let’s hope we can keep him around a while.
webergrad02 said:
It was reported on Twitter that coaches said not to foul. Also spoke to several players after the game and they were all told not to foul after the last timeout was called . Not sure what the game plan was for pick and roll but it’s crazy that y’all believe a player would purposely go against a game plan. From evidence I collected the final outcome falls on the coaches shoulders. How do you not tell your players to foul? Lack of situational knowledge in crunch time was awful especially from the so called greatest coach in the conference :wall:
Didn't make it to the game, but just by looking at the stats you can see there are some serious problems that STILL have not been addressed. First issue is rebounding. Since Kyndahl Hill graduated, Weber has been a terrible rebounding team. Getting out rebounded by 10-15 each game really puts you at a HUGE disadvantage. If Weber was a decent shooting team and could hit outside shots then the rebounding disadvantage could be overcome somewhat. However, Weber is not a good shooting team. If you shot bad, can't rebound, and give up a bunch of offensive boards, while not getting very many offensive boards, your chances of winning are very slim. Defensively this team has really improved. One of Rahe's best skills as a head coach. Yet, even being a good defensive team can't make up for bad rebounding and awful shooting.
Next, have I mentioned that we aren't a good shooting team? Yet, even though Weber is shooting something like 31% from three, the Cats still jack up over 25 per game. To me this is the very definition of insanity. But, nothing is going to change because our next biggest issue is our inability to move without the ball. There is absolutely no movement on offense. Everyone stands around waiting to chuck up a three. This team should be cutting and passing with the style of players on it, but no. We stand and chuck instead of moving and passing. With this style of offense it ultimately leads to is selfish ISO basketball when nothing outside opens up. Far to often one guy tries to break down 4 defending players. The issue is that one guy could be averaging 5-6 assists a game, if he figured out how to pass (NOT TO MENTION GETTING NBA TEAMS TO LOOK AT HIM SERIOUSLY; don't get me started with the other senior). Passing and movement are desperately absent with our offense that is supposedly a motion offense. WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THE IDIOTIC WEAVE?? Weaving doesn't open up the pick and roll and why do the pick and roll when the passer doesn't know how to get the ball to the big or that the big has no idea how to roll to the basket. Our bigs are terribly coached. None are developing. Imagine how awesome Kozak could be if he actually had a coach? The bigs are poorly developed, terribly used, and even worse poorly chosen (1 good euro out of how many?? Stop wasting the money recruiting these kids and going to Europe).
Last issue...we are one-dimensional on defense. We can't play a zone either defensively or offensively and still can't break a press.... Need I say more?
Next, have I mentioned that we aren't a good shooting team? Yet, even though Weber is shooting something like 31% from three, the Cats still jack up over 25 per game. To me this is the very definition of insanity. But, nothing is going to change because our next biggest issue is our inability to move without the ball. There is absolutely no movement on offense. Everyone stands around waiting to chuck up a three. This team should be cutting and passing with the style of players on it, but no. We stand and chuck instead of moving and passing. With this style of offense it ultimately leads to is selfish ISO basketball when nothing outside opens up. Far to often one guy tries to break down 4 defending players. The issue is that one guy could be averaging 5-6 assists a game, if he figured out how to pass (NOT TO MENTION GETTING NBA TEAMS TO LOOK AT HIM SERIOUSLY; don't get me started with the other senior). Passing and movement are desperately absent with our offense that is supposedly a motion offense. WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THE IDIOTIC WEAVE?? Weaving doesn't open up the pick and roll and why do the pick and roll when the passer doesn't know how to get the ball to the big or that the big has no idea how to roll to the basket. Our bigs are terribly coached. None are developing. Imagine how awesome Kozak could be if he actually had a coach? The bigs are poorly developed, terribly used, and even worse poorly chosen (1 good euro out of how many?? Stop wasting the money recruiting these kids and going to Europe).
Last issue...we are one-dimensional on defense. We can't play a zone either defensively or offensively and still can't break a press.... Need I say more?
Webergrad02
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BigWaldO said:
Here is the Play by Play:
0:13 Jerrick Harding made Jumper. Assisted by Michal Kozak. 63 - 64
0:09 Northern Colorado Timeout 63 - 64
0:07 Foul on Cody John. 63 - 64
0:07 Northern Colorado Timeout 63 - 64
0:06 Foul on Michal Kozak. 63 - 64
0:04 Kai Edwards made Layup. Assisted by Jonah Radebaugh. 65 - 64
0:00 Jerrick Harding Turnover. 65 - 64
0:00 Matt Johnson Steal. 65 - 64
0:00 End of 2nd half 65 - 64
0:00 End of Game 65 - 64
I'm pretty sure this sequence is correct. Kozak fouled after the last timeout. He fouled quickly on the inbound. If the instruction was not to foul he was the one that didn't follow the game plan.
During the timeout they were told to foul and after Kozak fouled then Rahe told them not to foul anymore and turned to his coaches and told them they were not going to foul. I was there and watched and heard so Kozak did do as he was told and the rest of the team did as they were told as well.
