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NDSU Big Sky Rejection

PSUVikings2

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School comes out of Big Sky rejection in very good shape
Mike McFeely, The Forum
Published Thursday, March 08, 2007

The most amazing thing happened Wednesday at the press conference announcing North Dakota State’s union with the Gateway Football Conference. Joe Chapman, Gene Taylor and Craig Bohl stood in unison, turned toward Ogden, Utah, and raised their middle fingers.

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But it would’ve made a great photo opportunity.

It also would’ve been perfectly appropriate, if the NDSU president, athletic director and football coach felt like doling out a little what-do-you-think-of-us-now smack talk.

Ogden is the home of the Big Sky Conference, the geographically arrogant arrangement of schools that two years ago turned up its nose at NDSU and South Dakota State so it could add the major media market of Denver to its lineup.


North Dakota State football coach Craig Bohl, NDSU President Joe Chapman and athletic director Gene Taylor share a laugh at the announcement of the Bison joining the Gateway Football Conference on Wednesday. Photo by David Samson / The Forum
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One problem. The University of Northern Colorado is located in Greeley, which doesn’t look or smell anything like Denver and doesn’t get covered by the big TV stations or newspapers unless, say, a backup punter for the Bears stabs the starter in the leg.

You couldn’t blame the Bison honchos if they had their noses turned up this time, sniffing the air for a pleasing scent, since NDSU is coming out of its four-year conference odyssey smelling like a rose.

Big Sky? They don’t need no stinking Big Sky.

NDSU did better.

The Gateway is stronger than the Big Sky in football. And the basketball league in which the Bison will compete, Mid-Continent Conference, is better than the Big Sky. More transient, yes, but stronger.

“I’d say it worked out pretty good for us,” Taylor said.

Who could’ve seen this coming a couple of years ago – Dec. 13, 2004, to be exact – when Taylor stood before the media assemblage looking like he’d been beaten with a pillow case filled with quarters? The Big Sky shooed away NDSU like a pesky groupie, embracing instead the pitiful athletic program that Northern Colorado has become.

All of NDSU’s eggs were in one basket. The Big Sky dropped the eggs on the sidewalk and sold the basket on eBay for $1.29.

Chapman, the man who sold the populace on visions of the Big Sky, yukked about it Wednesday. The good thing about having vision, he said, is that visions can change. For that change in dreams, Chapman can thank Western Kentucky, the school that fled the Gateway to create an opening.

“Good things happen to those who wait,” said Bison football coach Craig Bohl, until recently a strong advocate of joining the Big Sky.

Bohl’s attraction to the Big Sky was the thought of having Montana and Montana State coming to Fargo on a regular basis. The loss of those potential rivals is the one drawback of not getting in the Big Sky. Bison football fans will have to settle for Youngstown State and Northern Iowa instead.

Settle? Hardly. Youngstown’s won four I-AA titles, Northern Iowa’s been to the semifinals six times.

The geographic footprint of the Gateway might be less glamorous than the Big Sky, the Corn Belt compared to the Rocky Mountains, but the football’s better.

NDSU came out of this just fine, with help from the Big Sky. For that, the Bison probably feel like giving their old friends out west a salute.

A heartfelt, one-fingered salute.


10 THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW

1. The Gateway is a football-only league. Most of the other schools belong to the Missouri Valley Conference for all other sports.

2. Gateway members include Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois and Youngstown State (Ohio).

3. The league office is in St. Louis.

4. The commissioner of the Gateway, Patty Viverito, is a senior associate commissioner of the Missouri Valley Conference. Viverito has been Gateway commissioner since 1982.

5. Former NDSU head coach Darrell Mudra coached in the Gateway – for Northern Iowa.

6. Northern Iowa was a member of the North Central Conference until leaving for Division I.

7. Former Fargo South quarterback Chris Berg completed the fifth-longest pass play in Gateway history – a 96-yarder in 1995 for Northern Iowa.

8. The oldest running Gateway rivalry is Illinois State vs. Western Illinois. The teams have played 87 times.

9. The original Gateway Conference was founded as a women’s athletics organization in 1982. The football division was born in 1985 and assumed its own name in 1992.

10. NDSU is 0-1 vs. Gateway schools, losing to Southern Illinois 9-0 in 2005
 
Riverman said:
Time for the BSC to grab UND and maybe USD while they can IMHO.

That or I have also heard about grabbing the remaining teams in the Great West Conferece

Welcome to the board Riverman
 
Thank You.

I think UND has what it takes. New arena's for football,b-ball, and the crown jewel hockey. The new wellness center is a great addition also. /users/31/07/37/smiles/eusa_cla.gif

UND has a solid budget from what I have read. UND IMHO, is trying the waters with out the help of USD. /users/31/07/37/smiles/681496.gif
 
Riverman said:
Thank You.

I think UND has what it takes. New arena's for football,b-ball, and the crown jewel hockey. The new wellness center is a great addition also. /users/31/07/37/smiles/eusa_cla.gif

UND has a solid budget from what I have read. UND IMHO, is trying the waters with out the help of USD. /users/31/07/37/smiles/681496.gif

It was a great move by your program, though the others in the great west are on an island wondering what to do
 
I do wonder how and why the BSC picked UNC over NDSU?
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The 4 Dakota schools could have been a great addition and provided $$ to the BSC. The NCC was a solid league.

I hope the BSC will look at UND and what it has to offer.
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Adding you guys would only benefit for the conference, that would be awesome

UNC had a terrible(o.k worse the terrible) year in sports, hopefully they can pick it up
 
Hey guys UND grad here, first time poster on the bored. Something to keep in mind as well is that UND has a large media market in the dakotas. Not only are we a D1 hockey power house, we always carry a strong media market in the upper midwest, and have strong broadcasting capabilities for all of the major sports. It appears to me as if UND has two options either big sky or midcon, personally i feel like the big sky is a better fit. What is PSU's plans for going D1-A?
 
fightingbooya said:
Hey guys UND grad here, first time poster on the bored. Something to keep in mind as well is that UND has a large media market in the dakotas. Not only are we a D1 hockey power house, we always carry a strong media market in the upper midwest, and have strong broadcasting capabilities for all of the major sports. It appears to me as if UND has two options either big sky or midcon, personally i feel like the big sky is a better fit. What is PSU's plans for going D1-A?

no plan at the moment, a move to I-A is at least 7 years away

didn't your B-Ball team beat Ohio State? and your football team nearly went to Minnesota and beat them? correct?
 
nope that was NDSU, there mens team also beat Marquette and Wisconsin in the past year, and they lost on a last second field goal. UND is in the elite eight for women's basketball right now, the men and womens swim teams are 1 and 2 in the nation. Und football did beat Northern Iowa last year, and the mens bball team just hired Iowas assistant coach brian jones last year, as well as Army's old AD. Things appear quite bright for UND in the future.
I was quite impressed with your guys' hire for a football coach, he's a top notch guy!
 
fightingbooya said:
nope that was NDSU, there mens team also beat Marquette and Wisconsin in the past year, and they lost on a last second field goal. UND is in the elite eight for women's basketball right now, the men and womens swim teams are 1 and 2 in the nation. Und football did beat Northern Iowa last year, and the mens bball team just hired Iowas assistant coach brian jones last year, as well as Army's old AD. Things appear quite bright for UND in the future.
I was quite impressed with your guys' hire for a football coach, he's a top notch guy!

We are truly excited about both JG and Mouse

My bad, I looked at the topic title and thought NDSU not ND
 
PSUVikings said:
My bad, I looked at the topic title and thought NDSU not ND

Here is an easy trick to help you remember. UND @ Grand Forks has been involved in D1 sports for many years. And that UND also has 7 D1 titles.
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Today's Final Five (hockey league championship) score in St. Paul MN in front of just under 18,000 fans
UND 6 - SCSU -2

Maybe the Big Sky should add hockey?? :hmmmm:
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I love college hockey but it is an northern midwest and east coast thing (w/Alaska thrown in). The west coast hasn't ever really develop any college hockey. Plus the chances of adding men's sports is nil with Title IX.
 
What are PSU fans thoughts on Dakota schools joining the Big Sky? I think the consensus amongst UND fans is that we want to be in the Big Sky, although there are some that would prefer the Mid-Con. Alot of folks in our neck of the woods feel that it was Sac State and Portland St. that opposed most to adding NDSU and SDSU. Do you guys have an opinion one way or the other about adding UND and/or USD should expansion come up in the future?
 
UND and USD are excellent schools who would fit great into the Big Sky. The problem is the travel. Both cost and time are pretty big. It wouldn't be fun for UND and USD teams to be doing all that travel. PSU, Sac St., EWU and NAU would be time consuming travel destinations for UND and USD teams.
 
Q&A with Doug Fullerton

Q: Two schools that were talked about as possible members of the Big Sky – North Dakota State and South Dakota State – have joined the Gateway Conference for football and the Mid-Continent for other sports. Why do you think the Presidents of the Big Sky schools opted not to invite these schools to join?

A: Location, location, location - North Dakota State University and South Dakota State University were very attractive to everyone in our league, they simply live a long ways away from our current members. And, I believe it was not only the travel concerns that bothered the Presidents. Conferences who have broken apart in the past, have always broken when long distances were involved. I think there was an underlying concern that expanding the league to the Dakotas may in the long run weaken the ties within our existing members.

I guess you have a pretty good handle on how alot of the presidents probably feel about travel. Doesn't sound good for my favorite squad. /users/31/07/37/smiles/emoticon.gif
 
I think the Dakota schools would be great additions to the Big Sky if PSU, Sac State, and NAU were not members. The "Big Sky" should be comprised of schools in Montana, Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota, Wyoming, and Utah, just due to geographics, as well as demographic similarities between the states.
 
DJViking said:
I think the Dakota schools would be great additions to the Big Sky if PSU, Sac State, and NAU were not members. The "Big Sky" should be comprised of schools in Montana, Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota, Wyoming, and Utah, just due to geographics, as well as demographic similarities between the states.

Ah, NO!!!!!!!!!!! I rather be in the Division I-A Mountain West Conference with Air Force, Colorado State, BYU, Utah, New Mexico....

Tradition and rivalries still count for some things today. :MWC: /users/31/07/37/smiles/icon9.gifLast edited by on 2007-05-09, 17:12; edited 1 time in total
 

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