New Transfers

[OldGreen67]

3 -..it may be another year or two before the full benefits will be seen.

OG67 Out!!!

I agree with all you said except this. The new PSU coach didnt wait a decade to provide a winning season and I dont mean 6-5. PSU had to pick everything up from the Glanville experiment and was lower than when Sperbeck took over Sac.

I agree Glanville was bad, but he didn't screw up the API quite as bad as Moosh did at Sac State. Coach Nigel didn't quite have the same restrictions when he took over versus the restrictions Sperbeck had. I would love to see a 7+ win next season, especially with my son playing, but I am also realistic and would be happy with improvement from last seasons injury filled season. As long as we move forward I am OK. Increasing our API to tops in te Big Sky is moving forward to me. If we do worse than last year then I will grab my pitchfork with the rest of the mob... :lol:

Portland State University

2004 - 2005 = 931
2005 - 2006 = 923
2006 - 2007 = 920
2007 - 2008 = 911
2008 - 2009 = 907
2009 - 2010 = 921
2010 - 2011 = 920

Sacramento State
2004 - 2005 = 824
2005 - 2006 = 847
2006 - 2007 = 855
2007 - 2008 = 897
2008 - 2009 = 905
2009 - 2010 = 931
2010 - 2011 = 959

 

[superhornet]

I guess we've got a philosophic question here, folks, and I'd be glad of your opinion.

We DEFINITELY don't want to see a 11-0/12-0 season go out the window due to NCAA sanctions. Coach Sperbeck is CLEARLY doing the right things in terms of getting kids in the classroom, graduating on time, and not making the blotter.

But I'm wondering if we should make a distinction between bad records. Meaning, is the record bad because the players (and coaching) stink, or is it bad because we got the right players, but were unlucky with injuries? Take a year like last year, for instance. We had an outstanding season propelled by the momentum of having taken down a B(C)$ school, only to see it end because some important people got hurt. Contrast that with the horrible years of the Mooshagian era, when we were just plain AWFUL. And keep in mind that even WITH the injuries, we were still near .500.

I guess what I'm asking is, SHOULD we make this distinction? Or is 5-6 ALWAYS 5-6, no matter how you get there? There may not be a true right answer here; I just want to hear your take.

 

[StungAlum2]

I guess we've got a philosophic question here, folks, and I'd be glad of your opinion.

We DEFINITELY don't want to see a 11-0/12-0 season go out the window due to NCAA sanctions. Coach Sperbeck is CLEARLY doing the right things in terms of getting kids in the classroom, graduating on time, and not making the blotter.

But I'm wondering if we should make a distinction between bad records. Meaning, is the record bad because the players (and coaching) stink, or is it bad because we got the right players, but were unlucky with injuries? Take a year like last year, for instance. We had an outstanding season propelled by the momentum of having taken down a B(C)$ school, only to see it end because some important people got hurt. Contrast that with the horrible years of the Mooshagian era, when we were just plain AWFUL. And keep in mind that even WITH the injuries, we were still near .500.

I guess what I'm asking is, SHOULD we make this distinction? Or is 5-6 ALWAYS 5-6, no matter how you get there? There may not be a true right answer here; I just want to hear your take.

Jason Diniz single handedly lost three games for the Hornets last season... Diniz was a thorn in the Hornets' side last season.

 

[SDHornet]

3 -..it may be another year or two before the full benefits will be seen.

OG67 Out!!!

I agree with all you said except this. The new PSU coach didnt wait a decade to provide a winning season and I dont mean 6-5. PSU had to pick everything up from the Glanville experiment and was lower than when Sperbeck took over Sac.

I agree Glanville was bad, but he didn't screw up the API quite as bad as Moosh did at Sac State. Coach Nigel didn't quite have the same restrictions when he took over versus the restrictions Sperbeck had. I would love to see a 7+ win next season, especially with my son playing, but I am also realistic and would be happy with improvement from last seasons injury filled season. As long as we move forward I am OK. Increasing our API to tops in te Big Sky is moving forward to me. If we do worse than last year then I will grab my pitchfork with the rest of the mob... :lol:

Portland State University

2004 - 2005 = 931
2005 - 2006 = 923
2006 - 2007 = 920
2007 - 2008 = 911
2008 - 2009 = 907
2009 - 2010 = 921
2010 - 2011 = 920

Sacramento State
2004 - 2005 = 824
2005 - 2006 = 847
2006 - 2007 = 855
2007 - 2008 = 897
2008 - 2009 = 905
2009 - 2010 = 931
2010 - 2011 = 959

Aaaahhhh the Moosh Era…the gift that keeps on giving…

 

[Hornut]

Jason Diniz single handedly lost three games for the Hornets last season... Diniz was a thorn in the Hornets' side last season.

:thumb: :+1:

 

[just a sac state fan]

Jason Diniz single handedly lost three games for the Hornets last season... Diniz was a thorn in the Hornets' side last season.

A simple answer to a complex question.

 

[superhornet]

Jason Diniz single handedly lost three games for the Hornets last season... Diniz was a thorn in the Hornets' side last season.

A simple answer to a complex question.

A good point. More to the point is that it is a simplistic answer to a complex question. Then it becomes, was it just bad luck that Diniz 2.0 lost those games, or was it the fault of the staff for not being prescient enough to predict that he'd fail so horribly? Did he just have a bad season, or is he really that incompetent? There's something to be said for family loyalty in terms of putting butts in the seats and keeping booster $$ coming in, but there's also something to be said for carrying that too far. Knowing where that fine line is can be very excruciating.

But that doesn't even start to answer the question. Is it OK to distinguish between a losing record because you had a rash of injuries and a losing record because you just plain stink, or is a losing record a losing record no matter how you slice it? If ANYONE's got a plausible answer, I think it will come from the law firm of SD, GCM, and SHA....

 

[just a sac state fan]

To me it seems like many of you did not view the Spring Game last year. If so, you would not question how bad the kicking game was and would have expected it to be resolve before the season started. In short, it was a problem that should have been resolved BEFORE the season had even started.

 

[superhornet]

To me it seems like many of you did not view the Spring Game last year. If so, you would not question how bad the kicking game was and would have expected it to be resolve before the season started. In short, it was a problem that should have been resolved BEFORE the season had even started.

It's kind of hard to make those kinds of judgment calls on the basis of two weeks in the spring, when all sorts of variables come into play. Different weather, possibly a different field (practice field vs. game field), different key personnel (LS/H), the fact that the defense knows what the offense is likely to pull (even in special teams situations) during spring practice, freak injuries (even nagging ones like a muscle pull), or even just a bad couple of weeks.

While fall camp gets one closer (or is supposed to) to the right answer, even THAT doesn't completely do it. In the NFL, for example, teams that don't win a game during pre-season (and look awful in doing so) often go on to playoff success, while teams that go undefeated and look like world-beaters get eliminated early. IMO, sometimes it's just bad luck, and hindsight is often 20/20, and THEN we see the "signs" we SHOULD have seen before. The problem is that just as often, someone with the same signs often gets their act together, and we can't tell the difference before it happens. Also, if you make the move, there's no guarantee that the results will be any different.

Our triumvirate of experts may have a different opinion, of course. I'd love to hear them.

 

[ChiCity]

To me it seems like many of you did not view the Spring Game last year. If so, you would not question how bad the kicking game was and would have expected it to be resolve before the season started. In short, it was a problem that should have been resolved BEFORE the season had even started.

It's kind of hard to make those kinds of judgment calls on the basis of two weeks in the spring, when all sorts of variables come into play. Different weather, possibly a different field (practice field vs. game field), different key personnel (LS/H), the fact that the defense knows what the offense is likely to pull (even in special teams situations) during spring practice, freak injuries (even nagging ones like a muscle pull), or even just a bad couple of weeks.

While fall camp gets one closer (or is supposed to) to the right answer, even THAT doesn't completely do it. In the NFL, for example, teams that don't win a game during pre-season (and look awful in doing so) often go on to playoff success, while teams that go undefeated and look like world-beaters get eliminated early. IMO, sometimes it's just bad luck, and hindsight is often 20/20, and THEN we see the "signs" we SHOULD have seen before. The problem is that just as often, someone with the same signs often gets their act together, and we can't tell the difference before it happens. Also, if you make the move, there's no guarantee that the results will be any different.

Our triumvirate of experts may have a different opinion, of course. I'd love to hear them.

I saw the spring game last year and a lot of fall practices and it was evident then that the ball was coming out way to low off the foot of the kicker. This was a consistent problem that should have been addressed by the coach(s). Even if our special teams coach is not a kicking specialist, there are lots of coaches in the western states that could have helped. Maybe they were contacted and the kicker just couldn't learn a new technique or change his motion. We can blame the weather, fields, snaps, of mental toughness, but the bottom line is, the kicks were consistently low, even on the makes. Marshall now understands not to count on one kicker, no matter what, which is why there are now 4 on the roster that will have competition in the fall. The coaches gave the kicker almost half a season to get it together, and in the last game I thought he might have turned the corner. However, this spring was a mess. Not only were some kicks still coming out low, they were also wide. The kid had a lot of pressure living up to his brother, who IMO was one of the best kickers we've ever had. I was hoping he would get the coaching he needed and make the adjustments, but it didn't seem to work out. I hope we get some consistency this year and that we don't have to go for it on 4th and 10 at the 15 yard line every time down the field.

 

[FamousBaller]

All due respect for the freedom of speech but can we PLEASE move on from blaming last years kicker.

Is this string about New Transfers or what? Why do so many topics devolve into blaming J Diniz for ALL of last years woes. Enough Already! If you can't look forward and be happy that another season is almost upon us, then at least have the courtesy to remain on topic.

According to the roster we have a bunch of new players in lots of positions, including kicker. Hopefully they will gel with the veterans and become a team, and the staff will prepare them for success. And if all goes well and we stay healthy, and if we get some breaks, good bounces and decent calls from BSC refs, then maybe this is the year we turn the corner of success and begin the winning dynasty that we all feel is long overdue. But no matter if we win or lose, it will be as a team!

Welcome new additions and transfers and good luck with your Sac State Football careers.
GO Hornets!

 

[bigsacstatehornetfan]

Why would Sperbeck add two FBS linebackers Ofa Fifita & Jared Koster both sophomores to the roster, when we have Jeff Badger & Todd Davis? Hmmmmm..... :?

 

[superhornet]

Why would Sperbeck add two FBS linebackers Ofa Fifita & Jared Koster both sophomores to the roster, when we have Jeff Badger & Todd Davis? Hmmmmm..... :?

While I'd be VERY interested to hear SD's and GCM's take on this, I'll chip in my :twocents: .

While any dropdown is a crapshoot, any time you can get dropdowns, you take them unless there are extenuating circumstances that dictate otherwise (i.e. horrible grades, excessive trouble with the law, etc.). While it doesn't apply in THESE cases, if said dropdowns are "coming home," particularly if they were at "big" FBS programs, you DEFINITELY give them the benefit of the doubt.

Only time will tell about THESE two. But if we have the schollies to give and the balance of the roster is fine in the opinion of the staff, I have no good reason NOT to bring them in.

Again, SD and GCM will have better takes. This is just my :twocents: .

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

Why would Sperbeck add two FBS linebackers Ofa Fifita & Jared Koster both sophomores to the roster, when we have Jeff Badger & Todd Davis? Hmmmmm..... :?

Um, depth...

 

[GoldenEagleHornet]

Why would Sperbeck add two FBS linebackers Ofa Fifita & Jared Koster both sophomores to the roster, when we have Jeff Badger & Todd Davis? Hmmmmm..... :?

Um, depth...

Yeah, I couldn't tell if BSSHF was being serious or clumsy asking this question.

 

[SDHornet]

Fifita and Koster have already used their redshirts so that is not an option. Fresno has undergone some coaching changes and I think UCLA has as well. That coupled with the possibility that they might not have been contenders for a starting spot probably contributed to their decision to transfer. Koster is coming off of an injury so that puts a question mark next to his name.

I don’t think these additions automatically displace Badger or Davis from the starting role. Both of these returning LB’s are talented, familiar with the defensive system, but more importantly serve as team leaders on and off the field. The new additions will certainly have opportunities to showcase their talent (different defensive packages, special teams, etc), but I don’t expect the starting roles to be handed to them just because they came from an FBS program.

As far as adding FBS players, Sperbeck and the coaches need to bring in the best players that fit the system regardless of where they come from. That means scouring all their sources from FBS to JC transfers, to local HS recruits as well as SoCal and out of state recruits. I don’t care if the coaches bring in players from Mars (or in our case Austria). The coaches should do whatever it takes to field a competitive and more importantly a winning team (but not at the expense of off the field characteristics *cough* Montana *cough*).

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Yes, another thread has injuries listed as the reason we pulled another flop last year. This just bolsters the ranks and hopefully eliminates any "we had a sucky season again because of injuries."

Having somebody pushing you is always a good thing in football.

 

[superhornet]

Yes, another thread has injuries listed as the reason we pulled another flop last year. This just bolsters the ranks and hopefully eliminates any "we had a sucky season again because of injuries."

Having somebody pushing you is always a good thing in football.

:+1:

 

[superhornet]

As far as adding FBS players, Sperbeck and the coaches need to bring in the best players that fit the system regardless of where they come from. That means scouring all their sources from FBS to JC transfers, to local HS recruits as well as SoCal and out of state recruits. I don’t care if the coaches bring in players from Mars (or in our case Austria). The coaches should do whatever it takes to field a competitive and more importantly a winning team (but not at the expense of off the field characteristics *cough* Montana *cough*).

:nod:

 

[bigsacstatehornetfan]

I understand the "dropdown" theory but why not get "dropdowns" that we can benefit from this year? Like, Offensive Lineman, Defensive Lineman and Wide Receivers?

Ofa Fifita & Jared Koster are good pick ups but I do not think they are going make an MAJOR IMPACT this year because the position is already talented and we only use two linebackers.