superhornet
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Those are some very good arguments, SD. One wonders if the CBL would take us back, but in the terms you mentioned, it does make quite a bit more sense.
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Super Hornet said:
What the hell are you talking about? CBL?
superhornet
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SactoHornetAlum said:
Big West fan terminology. California Bus League.
i dont think the BigWest would have an interest in Sac, unless UOP leaves for the WCC. i would think the SoCal teams like having 2 NoCal teams here for basketball/volleyball trips. adding a third means a trip up for a single game. it would be a good fit for Sac, and a step up for sports like baseball, soccer (m/w), volleyball and softball. they would compete well in all those sports.
superhornet
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DrMike said:
Given the new coaching staff, Sac would likely be mid-range or higher immediately in baseball, softball, and perhaps soccer. There might be a bit more of a learning curve for volleyball, but Sac would make that up within a few years. Hoops is a different story, at least in terms of girls. Katz, however, could do some damage within a couple of years of joining.
The average UOP fan, as verified this afternoon (and might co-incide with the average BW fan), is that the league wouldn't want to split the pie up any further. Dr. Mike's idea of UOP leaving might also play into it because Sac would immediately supplant UOP as UCFE's travel partner, putting UOP back in the position of being Northridge's travel partner (unless the BW annexed Bako).
UOP jumping to the WCC is not going to happen any time soon. Rumors are that feelers have been flat out rejected by the WCC in the last few years, probably for the same reasons the BW doesn't want Sac: the division of the pot. Plus, UOP would lose their unique status as a private in an otherwise public league. That could affect recruiting since young men especially who qualify for private schools are more likely to go to places like Pepperdine: on the coast.
Green Laser
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DrMike said:
I don't see Pacific going anywhere. Hawaii is talking about going independent in football and apparently has even been telling recruits they will be in the Big West everything else. San Jose has also mentioned the possibility of going independent in football (although in their case it will be more likely pulling the plug on football) and going to the Big West for everything else. Maybe we could become travel partners with San Jose, sure makes more sense than Hawaii in the Big West.
superhornet
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GL: That all would make sense, but after going to all the work to rid himself of Utah State and Idaho to get to his wet dream of the Cali Bus League, it doesn't seem likely that the BW commissioner Dumb-Dumb Dennis (aka 3D) Farrell (that's what practically the entire BW fan base calls him) would allow Hawai'i to return to the Big West. There's the pie argument UOP mentioned (only so many ways to slice it), and there's the travel argument, too.
If they go back on the pie argument, the only way (in my mind, anyway) bringing Sac bac would work would be to entice San Jose back so UOP would have a more logical travel partner than Northridge or Bako.
If they go back on the pie argument, the only way (in my mind, anyway) bringing Sac bac would work would be to entice San Jose back so UOP would have a more logical travel partner than Northridge or Bako.
Super Hornet said:
It's not up to Farrell. It's up to the BWC presidents, but you knew that already. All a commissioner does is carry out the wishes of the university presidents as a whole.
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In general, that's true, SHA, but 3D has those SoCal presidents cowed. NorCal teams have traditionally sufferered under his leadership. Just look at the so-called TV contracts. For years, they had a POS local station that had a limited viewership even in SoCal that had a crappy video and audio feed. 3D wouldn't even TRY to get better. It's been forever (or so it seems) that the Big West has had any part of ANY ESPN package, and he didn't even try then to try to get a better slot than 9 PM Monday, which completely screws up the schedule. As bad as it is, BSTV is a better deal than what the Big West has. Plus, even UCR with it's gym worse than the Nest gets more TV time than a nice place like Spanos or a new place like Davis has.
Sac might want to think twice before jumping into that.
Sac might want to think twice before jumping into that.
The BW should be called the Big Apathetic Conference.
Every school in that league is happy being a ho-hum 'we have sports' institution.
Doesnt surprise me that media coverage is lacking in the BW. I know some people have a woody about joining, but I think it would be a step backwards as then it suddenly becomes vogue to drop your football program. Remember, Gonzo isnt going to be here forever and we need a league that supports football.
Every school in that league is happy being a ho-hum 'we have sports' institution.
Doesnt surprise me that media coverage is lacking in the BW. I know some people have a woody about joining, but I think it would be a step backwards as then it suddenly becomes vogue to drop your football program. Remember, Gonzo isnt going to be here forever and we need a league that supports football.
So how is Sac State any different? Great, we added a Football/Track Fieldhouse from funds that were allocated for something bigger and better. Great, we got new turf because a semi-pro team wants to use Hornet Stadium. What else has been done aside from that that separates us from the rest of the BW members? Football can easily be dropped if we are members of the BSC or the BW, since it sounds like it depends on the president, why would conference affiliation make a difference of the longevity of the program? It’s great that we currently have a president who supports athletics, but that could change and being in the BSC vs. the BW wouldn’t save the program if it was put on the chopping block. The fact is with ever shrinking budgets coupled with rising student fees, it’s only a matter of time before people (students, faculty, staff, and media) wake up and say, “Why are we squandering money sending teams to ND, MT, AZ, UT, ID, WA, OR, and CO when we can just put them on a bus and send them to SoCal?” It is strictly a financial decision nothing more, and at the end of the day that is what will be the determining factor. I was fine with everything being in the BSC and it was great, however that all changed when the BSC allowed football only association. If being in the BSC adds some kind of financial incentives that balances the budget then fine keep it that way, otherwise this or any future administration will have to take a long hard look at the bottom line and determine which options are more sustainable for athletics as a whole.Green Cookie Monster said:
The only thing the BW is missing is something like BigSkyTV where it allows fans to see conference match-ups and home games. Once they pull their heads out of their asses and get something like this going, there will be no doubt that the BW is a better place to be. I don’t know if they have something like this already, but if they had any motivation and marketing knowledge, they would be getting this together as we type. Their hoops tourney is already on an ESPN deal as they are smart enough to have a predetermined location where fans and media can flock to enjoy the festivities. The BSC needs to get with it and do the same to open up additional revenue streams via an ESPN TV deal.
/end rant.
At least our school is talking about bigger,better things. We have a higher budget than ANY BW school (sans UCFE) and a president who is willing to take the heat in poaching funds for a football only facility knowing that a riot is possible. If the football program is chosen to be cut being in a major conference makes it much more difficult than dropping the program when you are with your peers who didnt bat an eyelash in cutting their programs.
I attended school when we played the teams in the BW and it doesnt positively effect attendance. If anything it diminishes it b/c the general public views the BW as an afterthought athletic league. At least in the BSC, most schools are averaging 2,000/game and it is putting pressure on Gonzo to upgrade the gym/arena. In the BW having a port a potty as your gym is just fine and acceptable.
Plus, what cache does the BW bring when there is a CSU/UC on every street corner in LA? In the BSC most of the members are flagships and major research institutions in their respective state.
I attended school when we played the teams in the BW and it doesnt positively effect attendance. If anything it diminishes it b/c the general public views the BW as an afterthought athletic league. At least in the BSC, most schools are averaging 2,000/game and it is putting pressure on Gonzo to upgrade the gym/arena. In the BW having a port a potty as your gym is just fine and acceptable.
Plus, what cache does the BW bring when there is a CSU/UC on every street corner in LA? In the BSC most of the members are flagships and major research institutions in their respective state.
superhornet
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Green Cookie Monster said:
I just got off the UOP site again. They actually have the gall to believe that not only does Sac bring nothing to the table, but would cost the Big West money. Given that SoCal teams already use SMF for Davis and UOP, I fail to see their point.
superhornet
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UOP fans are trying to use Sagarin ratings as evidence against Sac. Computer ratings of ANY sort are worthless at this point in the season. There has been NO season to speak of yet. They think Sac will drag down conference RPI. What hogwash. There's no way in heck I give credence to Sac losing to the likes of Riverside.
Sure, I'd like for us to stay in the Sky, but UOP's rationale for keeping us out is bogus, to say the least.
Sure, I'd like for us to stay in the Sky, but UOP's rationale for keeping us out is bogus, to say the least.
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