SWeberCat02
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The conf has already announced that when Idaho joins they won't go to 22 games. They'll go to 18 if I remember correctly.talhadfoursteals said:
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North Dakota fans really think they are the best
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SWeberCat02 said:
You might be right. This wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I can't find any articles. But 18 makes more sense, but I thought the conference wanted more home games so they decided on a 22 game format. Catcat game me some brownies last week in California so I might not be all there. :rofl:
FYI: BSC Commish stated the BB conference schedule decision (after Idaho joins) as 18 games last spring: ref
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(found it by going back to a post on this forum by 'Bengal visitor' on 6/6/13)
http://www.bigskyconf.com/news/2013/6/6/GEN_0606131009.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(found it by going back to a post on this forum by 'Bengal visitor' on 6/6/13)
SWWeatherCat
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talhadfoursteals said:wsucatfan said:oldrunner said:UND is proving to be a great addition to the BSC. It might be a long trip, but the BSC has a lot of those. We are in the west; everywhere is a long ways to go. I like their fans and their coaches and crew seem to be very good. Idaho will be a good addition, when they finally rejoin. As a conference, we need to work hard at getting more than one team into the dance. Otherwise, the league may split in two in the future.
Don't most Wildcat fans want the conference to split into two? I know I do (after our football team returns to the upper half anyway).
A split is going to happen?? Well, I hope not, but you might be right eventually it is inevitable. Lets just hope that Weber is in the better half, if and when a split occurs.
I'd like a, funny how much this resembles a conference created in the early 60s. :kisswink:
Weber
Montana
Montana State
UND
Idaho
Idaho State
Northern Arizona
Eastern Washington
To bad Poly and Davis aren't full members.
No I don't want SUU... :rofl:
1) No, don't want/like a split conference.
2) If we're going "old-school" conference, then get UND out of there and Gonzaga back in! :rockon:
3) Definitely going to miss Bracket Buster-- one of the best things in college sports, period. What moron was able to get that taken out? I don't know that they need a hundred and some odd games, maybe only take those in position to compete for their conference. It's not typically a problem to add a game to a schedule, is it? Those teams expected to be decent could certainly make room in their schedule in case they're asked to participate.
I don't think it's to crazy for their fan base to think they could be the best. Most general fans don't follow other teams recruiting, current players (except maybe other than star players), etc. as much as the home fan base. And where a lot of people think they are the 2nd best team in conference I can see where they might think they are #1. Obviously Weber State is the most talented and should win the conference (fingers crossed). But, I do think they have an argument even if it's just a small one.
At least it's not like Sac St fans or Idaho State fans thinking they are the best...
At least it's not like Sac St fans or Idaho State fans thinking they are the best...
talhadfoursteals said:
EWU will be interesting. They are definitely on the rise, though I think still a year away (they have no seniors this year). I think they will be like UND last year... get better as the year goes along, be very dangerous in the tournament, and then I think they enter next season as a top 2 team, trailing Weber State in next year's preseason polls.
NAU is another really interesting team. To me, they are like EWU last year... lots of young guys playing, lots of growing pains... but lots of improvement as the year goes along. Next season I think they'll be in the top 5 or 6, and then the following year I think them, EWU, and Weber will be the projected top 3.
To me, UNC is still a clear four above EWU this year. I think they'll be a bit improved at the PG spot and probably have Svihovec come off the bench (him at PG might have been their biggest weakness the past couple years - he is just not a natural ballhandler). And a JUCO named Dominique Lee should help upfront - to me he will be much more productive than Addo (who transferred out). Also, if Huskisson ever really puts it together, that would be the key piece they would need to actually be able to compete for a spot in the top three.
I have nothing against UND fans having hope in their team this season. We, Weber State fans, are fairly aware of opposing teams in the Sky, and the state. So, we all know that UND was coming back with quite the team this year and that they are going to be a dangerous opponent. I know we played a few games after the Big Sky semifinal, but if we remember right, there was a time that most of us thought that Weber had lost that game. The fan base that I think is holding onto something, is Montana. Yes, they will be good again this year, but nowhere near as good as last year.
Mario Dunn is a great addition, but he isn't Cherry nor is he on the same level as Cherry. He is very similar to Vaughn Autry (he would have been a great player in Missoula, to bad he transfered out). Kemp is also a good JC pickup, who will help out a ton in the post. But, UM isn't nearly as good as last year. Kemp is as good as Coleman, maybe, another Art Steward, which would be GREAT for the Griz. Right now, we just don't know. Cherry, Ward, and Coleman are gone...three starters. Henderson and Wiley are also gone, solid role players who were going to get better. Not that either aren't replaceable (Henderson and Wiley) for the Griz, the issue is that both were comfortable with the team and knew the system. UND has their main four back and great bench depth. MSU has some key weapons back and had a really good recruiting class. Guys who understand "team" is what is important for the Bobs. UNCO, as Jon stated above, has a lot of guys back. I'm not sold on BJ though, maybe his off season changes, will be what the Cubbies need to get back into relevance. Finally, and I know I'll get attacked for this but Eastern. Mark my word folks, the Eagles are going to bring it every game this season. Harvey, Kelly, Seifert, and Jois (Sp?) are a strong and Felix Van Hofe or Danny Powell are wings that can make the Eagles extremely well rounded.
Mario Dunn is a great addition, but he isn't Cherry nor is he on the same level as Cherry. He is very similar to Vaughn Autry (he would have been a great player in Missoula, to bad he transfered out). Kemp is also a good JC pickup, who will help out a ton in the post. But, UM isn't nearly as good as last year. Kemp is as good as Coleman, maybe, another Art Steward, which would be GREAT for the Griz. Right now, we just don't know. Cherry, Ward, and Coleman are gone...three starters. Henderson and Wiley are also gone, solid role players who were going to get better. Not that either aren't replaceable (Henderson and Wiley) for the Griz, the issue is that both were comfortable with the team and knew the system. UND has their main four back and great bench depth. MSU has some key weapons back and had a really good recruiting class. Guys who understand "team" is what is important for the Bobs. UNCO, as Jon stated above, has a lot of guys back. I'm not sold on BJ though, maybe his off season changes, will be what the Cubbies need to get back into relevance. Finally, and I know I'll get attacked for this but Eastern. Mark my word folks, the Eagles are going to bring it every game this season. Harvey, Kelly, Seifert, and Jois (Sp?) are a strong and Felix Van Hofe or Danny Powell are wings that can make the Eagles extremely well rounded.
oldrunner
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I hope you are right about Eastern. It would be great if they could make that road trip just a little more dangerous this year. It has been far too easy for the past few years. I just fear that no matter how good the players are that system will make them one dimensional anyway.
I've got EWU 5th, so I agree they are definitely capable. Jois/Seifert are both solid at the 4/5 spots. Their system is so dependent on PG play, and they just didn't really have anyone there last season after Crogsile left. Their JUCO recruit Brandon should help a lot there and I would expect he will start from day one.
They have plenty of other depth up front with Powell, Reuter, Van Hofe... I think a big key will be Tyler Harvey. He was legitimately very good at the end of last season, but I think he snuck up on teams, and now they will be expecting him. If he can keep up his efficiency with more minutes, the Eagles will be very dangerous.
They have no seniors so they should get better and better as the season goes along. I expect they'll be painfully inconsistent for at least the first half of conference play, and then end the year strong and be a force heading into 2014-15 (a little bit like Northern Colorado last year who started very badly and finished strong, though I think this Eagles squad will have a higher ceiling than the Bears do).
I actually really like their system, it's just a matter of getting guys to play it... I think they are getting there with the athletic forwards they have brought in. It might just be a matter of getting backcourt recruits on par with the big guys they have brought in. I think if Chiverton had been right last year they would have actually been pretty solid.
They have plenty of other depth up front with Powell, Reuter, Van Hofe... I think a big key will be Tyler Harvey. He was legitimately very good at the end of last season, but I think he snuck up on teams, and now they will be expecting him. If he can keep up his efficiency with more minutes, the Eagles will be very dangerous.
They have no seniors so they should get better and better as the season goes along. I expect they'll be painfully inconsistent for at least the first half of conference play, and then end the year strong and be a force heading into 2014-15 (a little bit like Northern Colorado last year who started very badly and finished strong, though I think this Eagles squad will have a higher ceiling than the Bears do).
I actually really like their system, it's just a matter of getting guys to play it... I think they are getting there with the athletic forwards they have brought in. It might just be a matter of getting backcourt recruits on par with the big guys they have brought in. I think if Chiverton had been right last year they would have actually been pretty solid.
Webergrad02
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UND fans can believe whatever they want. They have talented players but lack in one crucial area. Brian Jones is not a great coach. In the games I have watched, he was very slow to make adjustments. In the BSC semi final he let off of the intensity a little bit and it opened the door for Weber.
Eastern has good talent coming in, but I think Jim Hayford can derail a group of blue chip talent quicker than anyone else. His is style is one dimensional.
UNC (The New Gonzaga) Will always be a middle of the pack team. The recent transfers makes me wonder how stable the program is.
Northern Arizona will be on the rise. I think they have a good coach that gets the most out of his players and I agree that they will return to the top 3.
Montana may not have all of the horses that they had last year, but I still think they are top two because they have the best coach in the league. The question is whether the off court stuff is going to continue and half of the team gets arrested and suspended. Jon mentions that in two years Eastern, Northern Arizona and Weber will be the top 3. Where does Montana go? As long as Tinkle is the coach at Montana, they will be in the top 3. I think Rahe is a better recruiter, but Tinks gets the most out of his guys.
Eastern has good talent coming in, but I think Jim Hayford can derail a group of blue chip talent quicker than anyone else. His is style is one dimensional.
UNC (The New Gonzaga) Will always be a middle of the pack team. The recent transfers makes me wonder how stable the program is.
Northern Arizona will be on the rise. I think they have a good coach that gets the most out of his players and I agree that they will return to the top 3.
Montana may not have all of the horses that they had last year, but I still think they are top two because they have the best coach in the league. The question is whether the off court stuff is going to continue and half of the team gets arrested and suspended. Jon mentions that in two years Eastern, Northern Arizona and Weber will be the top 3. Where does Montana go? As long as Tinkle is the coach at Montana, they will be in the top 3. I think Rahe is a better recruiter, but Tinks gets the most out of his guys.
Webergrad02
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Jon do you honestly think that Jim Hayford is a good basketball coach?
I personally think his teams have under performed while he has been at the helm.
I personally think his teams have under performed while he has been at the helm.
Webergrad, I do think Hayford is a good coach. I think sometimes he has trouble adjusting his system to fit the talents, but I also really do think he will be very successful long-term. His first year, they did finish 5 games better than the year before (they did have a lot of talent waiting for him). Last year was a rebuilding year... lots of freshmen, and the guy I'm sure they expected to be the focal point for them (Chiverton) went through the deaths of his mom and and best friend not long before the season, and it was a lost year. I think that and the transfer of the PG Crogsile hurt them. After that, their PGs were Daniel Hill (true freshman), Jeff Forbes (not a natural PG), or Kevin Winford (more comfortable off the ball). I think that killed them.
The next two years, we will learn a lot about him and if he will have his success. For the most part, he has his players in there, it's just a matter of how they mature. I really think they will flourish in his system and by next year be a unique, tough to stop offense. The key for them will be their defensive maturation.
You are right that Montana will probably be in that mix near the top 3 as long as Tinkle is there, but I think they are due for some down time after this season. With so many guys leaving the program (whether on their own accord, graduation, or being booted), that's a lot of attrition. If anyone can keep them near the top it's Tinkle, but it will become a really tall order, and I think the talent gap will be there between Montana and EWU/NAU (and I mean that in the short-term... I don't have any doubt that they will be down for long if they do take a step back).
The thing about Montana is they have not been a deep team the past two seasons, but they have had Jamar/Cherry/Ward to bail them out. This year they have Jamar and Gregory, but then a lot of question marks. DeShields is a nice player, but not a good enough scorer to be a consistent third option. When defenses gear up to stop Jamar and Gregory, I'm not sure who will step up, and that is what would make me nervous if I was a Montana fan, and that is why I have them at #3 behind UND (even though I do agree, I am not a huge Brian Jones fan).
The next two years, we will learn a lot about him and if he will have his success. For the most part, he has his players in there, it's just a matter of how they mature. I really think they will flourish in his system and by next year be a unique, tough to stop offense. The key for them will be their defensive maturation.
You are right that Montana will probably be in that mix near the top 3 as long as Tinkle is there, but I think they are due for some down time after this season. With so many guys leaving the program (whether on their own accord, graduation, or being booted), that's a lot of attrition. If anyone can keep them near the top it's Tinkle, but it will become a really tall order, and I think the talent gap will be there between Montana and EWU/NAU (and I mean that in the short-term... I don't have any doubt that they will be down for long if they do take a step back).
The thing about Montana is they have not been a deep team the past two seasons, but they have had Jamar/Cherry/Ward to bail them out. This year they have Jamar and Gregory, but then a lot of question marks. DeShields is a nice player, but not a good enough scorer to be a consistent third option. When defenses gear up to stop Jamar and Gregory, I'm not sure who will step up, and that is what would make me nervous if I was a Montana fan, and that is why I have them at #3 behind UND (even though I do agree, I am not a huge Brian Jones fan).
bigskybears
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webergrad02 said:
You need to stop with that. That was one idiot poster (who no longer posts). Get over it.
It's a WILDCATS FAN forum. We're not experts and we have subjective opinions. We will repeat ourselves as much as we want. We will speak half-truths and make ourselves feel better. You are welcome to discuss within OUR standards. In your own words:Beardown said:
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oldrunner
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Beardown;
You have to admit that the comment was quite funny. It will probably die a slow death. We have some posters just like yours. We just have to take it with a grain of salt. Fans like to harp on any little thing they can get their hands around.
See you guys soon. It's about to get under way. :thumb:
You have to admit that the comment was quite funny. It will probably die a slow death. We have some posters just like yours. We just have to take it with a grain of salt. Fans like to harp on any little thing they can get their hands around.
See you guys soon. It's about to get under way. :thumb:
Webergrad02
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I was laughing then and I am still laughing now.
You have to have a sense of humor or life gets boring. We even laugh at our own. Talk about dying a slow death, how about a little Cravens dance for your Wednesday pleasure. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3510269/joe-cravens-block-charge-o.gif" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You have to have a sense of humor or life gets boring. We even laugh at our own. Talk about dying a slow death, how about a little Cravens dance for your Wednesday pleasure. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3510269/joe-cravens-block-charge-o.gif" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
