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Portland State @ Washington State Thread

It is not too early to judge coaching. Penalties, poor play calling, and poor execution can largely be attributed to the coaching staff, JG and Mouse in particular. There is little excuse for those problems regardless of personnel or scheme. As for the overall state of the program and the growing pains related to transitioning from one scheme to another, I am willing to wait for the offense to come around under Mouse recruits because the run and shoot is superior to whatever Walsh thought he was doing. However, I am much less forgiving on the defensive side of the ball. We had arguably the best I-AA defense in the country two years ago under Lupfer and JG insisted on blowing it up. I saw no need for this then and don't now. Even if he insisted on switching schemes, couldn't he have gradually transitioned over about a 2 year period as recruiting brought in alternate personnel? I know that the cold turkey approach might be better in the long run, but I am not yet convinced.
 
ManOfVision said:
It is not too early to judge coaching. Penalties, poor play calling, and poor execution can largely be attributed to the coaching staff, JG and Mouse in particular. There is little excuse for those problems regardless of personnel or scheme. As for the overall state of the program and the growing pains related to transitioning from one scheme to another, I am willing to wait for the offense to come around under Mouse recruits because the run and shoot is superior to whatever Walsh thought he was doing. However, I am much less forgiving on the defensive side of the ball. We had arguably the best I-AA defense in the country two years ago under Lupfer and JG insisted on blowing it up. I saw no need for this then and don't now. Even if he insisted on switching schemes, couldn't he have gradually transitioned over about a 2 year period as recruiting brought in alternate personnel? I know that the cold turkey approach might be better in the long run, but I am not yet convinced.

When I start to miss Lupfer's 4-3 monster defenses, I just go and check Army's offensive box score to cheer myself up. ;-)
 
martymoose said:
ManOfVision said:
It is not too early to judge coaching. Penalties, poor play calling, and poor execution can largely be attributed to the coaching staff, JG and Mouse in particular. There is little excuse for those problems regardless of personnel or scheme. As for the overall state of the program and the growing pains related to transitioning from one scheme to another, I am willing to wait for the offense to come around under Mouse recruits because the run and shoot is superior to whatever Walsh thought he was doing. However, I am much less forgiving on the defensive side of the ball. We had arguably the best I-AA defense in the country two years ago under Lupfer and JG insisted on blowing it up. I saw no need for this then and don't now. Even if he insisted on switching schemes, couldn't he have gradually transitioned over about a 2 year period as recruiting brought in alternate personnel? I know that the cold turkey approach might be better in the long run, but I am not yet convinced.

When I start to miss Lupfer's 4-3 monster defenses, I just go and check Army's offensive box score to cheer myself up. ;-)

It must not be very fun being at Army right now. If you think PSU is having problems, look at Army. I couldn't believe it when I saw that Army was dropping Walsh's offense and putting in the option attack. I guess they've got to run it at the service academies but that must be painful for Walsh to coach.
 
ManOfVision said:
It is not too early to judge coaching. Penalties, poor play calling, and poor execution can largely be attributed to the coaching staff, JG and Mouse in particular. There is little excuse for those problems regardless of personnel or scheme. As for the overall state of the program and the growing pains related to transitioning from one scheme to another, I am willing to wait for the offense to come around under Mouse recruits because the run and shoot is superior to whatever Walsh thought he was doing. However, I am much less forgiving on the defensive side of the ball. We had arguably the best I-AA defense in the country two years ago under Lupfer and JG insisted on blowing it up. I saw no need for this then and don't now. Even if he insisted on switching schemes, couldn't he have gradually transitioned over about a 2 year period as recruiting brought in alternate personnel? I know that the cold turkey approach might be better in the long run, but I am not yet convinced.

I agree with you 100%. And now after a year and 3 games into the second it is becoming very apparent what a mistake the defense has been. Glanville should have accepted that the defense was working and kept Lupfer on. I think it is crazy that we had to completely tear apart a football team that had just went 7-4. We took the gamble that they knew what they were doing.
 
ManOfVision said:
It is not too early to judge coaching. Penalties, poor play calling, and poor execution can largely be attributed to the coaching staff, JG and Mouse in particular. There is little excuse for those problems regardless of personnel or scheme. As for the overall state of the program and the growing pains related to transitioning from one scheme to another, I am willing to wait for the offense to come around under Mouse recruits because the run and shoot is superior to whatever Walsh thought he was doing. However, I am much less forgiving on the defensive side of the ball. We had arguably the best I-AA defense in the country two years ago under Lupfer and JG insisted on blowing it up. I saw no need for this then and don't now. Even if he insisted on switching schemes, couldn't he have gradually transitioned over about a 2 year period as recruiting brought in alternate personnel? I know that the cold turkey approach might be better in the long run, but I am not yet convinced.

I'll disagree with you re cause. The plays called were the same they run through practice everyday, perfectly, over and over. Repeatedly, however, on O, the balls were overthrown, the timing was off, or like the first play of the game, the pass was thrown way late after the receiver had passed through the zone. Over and over, there were just a bunch of bad, very, very poorly timed mistakes, from personal fouls to illegal motion on 3rd and goal, to broken coverages, to missed assignments, and on and on. What's really upsetting is that despite a noticable size difference, athletically, that game was not a mismatch. This wasn't a "failure" of the 3-4 or the Coach's fault, it was simply the team, and that means everyone, not playing to their ability. Coach G hit the nail on the head when he commented he wanted everyone to get out on the field and get some stink on them. All the guys out there know what it feels like to win and be a champion...and sometimes the best way to get them there is to remind them what it feels like to lose...especially in a big game like Sat.'s when they KNEW going into the game they had the ability to win it. Losses like that can be a big motivator, especially since it was OC, if everyone's angry enough about the loss, they'll pull it together this week, go down and knockout Slack State decisively.

M of V, I've seen too many programs go through the, "...when XXXXXX was here..." diatribe. The run and shoot is a very appropriate and successful scheme for any FCS or Mid-Major program. We have 3 (and a fourth on the way) QB's who can all run the R&S successfully. While I personally would like to see Howland get more field time, Drew can run the offense too, and Kavanaugh has looked great in practice, although we haven't really had a chance to see him under fire. And when comparing guns, it would be a tough call between the top three. All things said, getting to watch Ty work with D'Ambrosio, Woods and Coleman is a real treat, and I hope we get a chance to see more of that against Slack State
As for our D, the only thing I can say is we HAVE TO STOP arm tackling...I've never seen such a display of missed tackles as the other night. This next week, there's a good possibility that Hilliard will be back from his mild shoulder separation. If he is, Slack State's going to be running the ball all day...and our front will need to meet him head on, 100 mph, hit after hit, body tackling all day. If we don't it's going to be a LONG day.
 
Just watched the game on DVR.

Hubel should have been yanked a bit earlier. Sometimes it's just not your day, and Saturday wasn't hit. Overthrows, underthrows, that fumbled handoff to Bobby. 1st half defense wasn't as bad as I'd expected. The offense put them in some bad spots to work out of. Had the offense played a decent half, and it dang near could have been even going into the half.

Let's not talk about the 3rd quarter. :-\

I was expecting that Dickson hit to be way worse with regards to it being late. He should have tried to pull up a bit, but regardless he was going to take a hit. I was amazed at how many unblocked open shots PSU had at the QBs. Lobbestael took a big shot as well, and if that hit had been a big bigger/harder, WSU is down to their 4th QB.

Some random comments:

Woods looked good again on kick returns. I think it's only a matter of time before he pops one to the house. Jones is insanely athletic. I noticed when WSU was in the red zone he was badly burned after jamming his guy on the line and ended up getting turned around. The pass was just about to the receiver in the endzone and Jones somehow got back to knock it away. Our ends and OLBs need to work on their angles. I realize that the average Pac 10 team is faster than what we're used to, but they have to take better angles to contain.
 
martymoose said:
Hubel should have been yanked a bit earlier. Sometimes it's just not your day, and Saturday wasn't hit. Overthrows, underthrows, that fumbled handoff to Bobby...

...Woods looked good again on kick returns. I think it's only a matter of time before he pops one to the house. Jones is insanely athletic. I noticed when WSU was in the red zone he was badly burned after jamming his guy on the line and ended up getting turned around. The pass was just about to the receiver in the endzone and Jones somehow got back to knock it away. Our ends and OLBs need to work on their angles. I realize that the average Pac 10 team is faster than what we're used to, but they have to take better angles to contain.

Spot on, MM.
 
I really hope to see Jones and Schantz at the next level. Even if the Viks suddenly turn things around in conference, this clearly isn't the big year for the program, so I'm really pulling for them to have big years and show that some of our guys can compete with any in the country, even if it's only a few of them.
 
After Rogers' season-ending back injury, Lopina, too, is out indefinitely. :( http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3605413

Poor Anyaorah. I can only imagine how he's feeling right now.
 
PortlandStater said:
After Rogers' season-ending back injury, Lopina, too, is out indefinitely. :( http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3605413

Poor Anyaorah. I can only imagine how he's feeling right now.

Or the WSU O line for that matter. They fact that they can't pick up a blitz could lead to them running the table in the loss column in the Pac 10.
 

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