sacstateman
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sacstateman said:
Didn't plan on overtime but you still won by my predicted 10 pts....congratulations....
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Didn't plan on overtime but you still won by my predicted 10 pts....congratulations....
oldrunner
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I wasn't able to watch or listen to the game. What happened to Cody? He must have been injured or something. I think he was slated to start, or at least get more minutes on the floor. He was doing so well in practices, and I see that he didn't play, something must have happened???
Anyway, that is a good road win, regardless of going into OT.
Anyway, that is a good road win, regardless of going into OT.
STGWildcat
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oldrunner said:
I read somewhere that he didn't travel with the team because he has the flu.
Weber was fortunate to win the game. Senglin hit an NBA range (or close to it) three in the closing seconds of the 2nd half to tie the game. Portland followed with a missed a half-court shot at the end of regulation. Without Senglin's deep three, the sky would be falling in Wildcat country still. But Weber handled their business in overtime.
A game the shouldn't have gone to OT does, why? Rahe probably slowed things down. The best way to decribe coach is as conservative. Once he gets a lead he slows down his team. He plays not to lose, which usually means opposing teams are able to make games closer or even to steal wins. We've saw this against UVU and again last night. He just doesn't have that killer instinct.
Another major issue...Senglin disappears for large stretches of games and his free throw shooting is atrocious. He needs to take his game to the next level consistently.
Another major issue...Senglin disappears for large stretches of games and his free throw shooting is atrocious. He needs to take his game to the next level consistently.
MY TAKE...
Rahe did a great job this year of scheduling numerous Division 1 teams that on paper looks like a much stronger schedule than it is in reality. UVU, Denver, USU & Portland are all historically average mid-major programs. But this year they are all less than their norm. You have to give him credit with his ability to schedule programs who are having "off" years for them. It is one way to make the schedule look stronger when it is actually weaker. Very creative Mr. Rahe (peanut)...
Yet, Peanut went 1-3 against that scheduling. He should have been 4-0 but his inability to coach in general, his conservative nature, his resistance to change, his misjudging and thus misusing talent, or better yet not using it at all, led to losing 3 of the 4 games he should have won easily. Weber just had to much talent for these teams and didn't take advantage of it. I was surprised when I looked at their rosters and saw how weak they were. First USU is getting their chicken hammered by average mid-majors; UVU has a roster of questionable at best Division 1 recruits; Denver has less height than a typical JC team and not a great deal better talent; and Portland's roster looks similar to UVU's with the exception of one undersized point guard who was lightly recruited by mid-majors, but who can ball. He exposed Senglin's defense for what it is... just plain bad!
I give Peanut credit for one good game so far, BYU. Yet even with better coaching Weber could have won that game. He was dismal against SDSU. They are a strong mid-major program but should never have beaten Weber by 17. We will see in the next game if Peanuts development plan for the young players plan is working or not. If they play SDSU close at home then I will give him credit for improving the team during the pre-conference games and admit that his plan is working.
Plan? Is it possible that he deliberately started two newbies to the team and benched two previous starters (Hill & Gittens) in order to build a stronger overall team? Is it possible that Peanut sat almost 100% of the time another player (Richardson) who should have been either starting or at least getting serious minutes every game just because he was executing his plan to develop the inexperienced players. Well, we are going to find out in the next game if his plan worked or not, if it really was a plan. Is it possible that Peanut lacks the ability to judge his talent correctly?
I think Rahe should have been playing 10 guys in pre-conference with the starters getting 20-30 minutes a game and the 5 back-ups getting the rest. I would start and play the 5 best players. They are Senglin (PG); Richardson (SG); Gittens (W); Hill (PF); and Bolomboy (C). The backups should be Cannon, Jefferson (he needs PT to develop), Baker, Williams and Braxton. But what do I know? Maybe playing 10 guys is too much to manage for the peanut! Maybe some of them can read well enough to read the flash cards telling them what to do every play and that is why he hasn't played them. lol Its a joke guys...
As they say, the proof is in the pudding and we'll find out how good Peanut's pudding is against SDSU! The conference, with the possible exception of two teams, will be no real test. I predict that Weber will suffer from Peanut coaching that take the Conference's best talent and finish second or third in the regular season and will not win the Conference tournament either. It sure would be nice to be wrong! Lets root for that...
Rahe did a great job this year of scheduling numerous Division 1 teams that on paper looks like a much stronger schedule than it is in reality. UVU, Denver, USU & Portland are all historically average mid-major programs. But this year they are all less than their norm. You have to give him credit with his ability to schedule programs who are having "off" years for them. It is one way to make the schedule look stronger when it is actually weaker. Very creative Mr. Rahe (peanut)...
Yet, Peanut went 1-3 against that scheduling. He should have been 4-0 but his inability to coach in general, his conservative nature, his resistance to change, his misjudging and thus misusing talent, or better yet not using it at all, led to losing 3 of the 4 games he should have won easily. Weber just had to much talent for these teams and didn't take advantage of it. I was surprised when I looked at their rosters and saw how weak they were. First USU is getting their chicken hammered by average mid-majors; UVU has a roster of questionable at best Division 1 recruits; Denver has less height than a typical JC team and not a great deal better talent; and Portland's roster looks similar to UVU's with the exception of one undersized point guard who was lightly recruited by mid-majors, but who can ball. He exposed Senglin's defense for what it is... just plain bad!
I give Peanut credit for one good game so far, BYU. Yet even with better coaching Weber could have won that game. He was dismal against SDSU. They are a strong mid-major program but should never have beaten Weber by 17. We will see in the next game if Peanuts development plan for the young players plan is working or not. If they play SDSU close at home then I will give him credit for improving the team during the pre-conference games and admit that his plan is working.
Plan? Is it possible that he deliberately started two newbies to the team and benched two previous starters (Hill & Gittens) in order to build a stronger overall team? Is it possible that Peanut sat almost 100% of the time another player (Richardson) who should have been either starting or at least getting serious minutes every game just because he was executing his plan to develop the inexperienced players. Well, we are going to find out in the next game if his plan worked or not, if it really was a plan. Is it possible that Peanut lacks the ability to judge his talent correctly?
I think Rahe should have been playing 10 guys in pre-conference with the starters getting 20-30 minutes a game and the 5 back-ups getting the rest. I would start and play the 5 best players. They are Senglin (PG); Richardson (SG); Gittens (W); Hill (PF); and Bolomboy (C). The backups should be Cannon, Jefferson (he needs PT to develop), Baker, Williams and Braxton. But what do I know? Maybe playing 10 guys is too much to manage for the peanut! Maybe some of them can read well enough to read the flash cards telling them what to do every play and that is why he hasn't played them. lol Its a joke guys...
As they say, the proof is in the pudding and we'll find out how good Peanut's pudding is against SDSU! The conference, with the possible exception of two teams, will be no real test. I predict that Weber will suffer from Peanut coaching that take the Conference's best talent and finish second or third in the regular season and will not win the Conference tournament either. It sure would be nice to be wrong! Lets root for that...
oldrunner
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wsucatfan said:
You would have been fine just saying what you did about Ryan. What you said next is so wrong, on so many levels, it's hard to put words to it. Obviously, you have been to every practice, every team meeting, been on the plane with them, and know these players through and through. Otherwise, you wouldn't be saying such a totally intelligent thing.
The other thing that impresses me is how good the coaches, on this forum, are. If any one of you coaches were to be at the helm, we would be 20 - 0 and ranked #1 in the country right now. You should all be getting your resume's in to Jerry. I wouldn't want some other school to snatch you up first. I know that all of the ADs troll this forum looking for talent. :lol: :lol:
SWWeatherCat
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baller said:
I wasn't able to watch or listen to this game but looking at the box score it looks like banishing Richardson to the bench wasn't the greatest decision. I agree with with a better approach being more players in the rotation and of course getting rid of a stupid flash card system. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing your lineup as well as several other combinations, especially during all these games that don't matter-- wait, conference games no longer matter either. However, I like Gittens coming off the bench-- he can be the ultimate 6th man. I also like Senglin as a SG, with Cannon at Point. I really thought Baker looked like a great "glue" guy but I'm not sure he's really getting that role done. Oh, and Yes! It's been well established that Rahe doesn't have the ability to manage a 10-man rotation.
UtahPirate
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oldrunner said:
You better help me then Olds. You said we were in store for Big changes in the lineup. I said it would be a rearranging of the 8 who were already getting all the minutes. Now you say that John would have started.
Does that mean that Richardson's 18 points on 6 for 10 shooting would have been relegated to the end of the bench where his carcass has been for most of the season had John been there? Was Rahe forced to use Ryan's talent because John was sick?
Or was Rahe's discovery of the talent at the end of his bench the big news? Because if he was forced to use Richardson, then I was right. If he was going to use Richardson anyway then that is somewhat of a change (and one, I may add, that should have happened several games ago).
You can point to us armchair coaches and scoff at our criticisms, but Richardson oozes with talent. He's got a shooting touch that doesn't come to many. To watch him sit and watch us lose is ridiculous.
oldrunner said:
Ryan is shooting 40% from the 3pt line, Cody is at 6.3%, 1-16. He's a freshman and could be a great player but he's not there yet.
This is a fan forum, and when we see things that don't add up we call it how we see it. Sure we're not all granted special access to practices but we all can make opinions based on game observation. If you remember Jimmy Barnes set the world on fire during spring ball and fall camp, he was dynamite in practice but we all know how he handled game day.
I don't know what caused Ryan to be buried on the end of the bench for 8 games but I'm glad he's back on the court, and I hope he sees significant time too.
http://www.standard.net/frontpage/2015/12/14/Luck-isn-t-a-lady-for-Weber-State-basketball.html
weberwildcat
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And of those close losses , 12 pts in 4 losses, one of them to rpi #347.
Here's the thing...it isn't the close losses that's bothering me, but who we've lost to. First, to lose is tragic, to have allowed close games is embarrassing. These teams never should have been able to keep games close with Weber, but they not only did that, they won. Losing to USU and BYU is excusable, but losing to UVU isn't and never should be.
Second, let me preface this first by saying I think coach is a good coach, but not great, you can blatantly tell our talent is being mismanaged and I really don't think guys are developing. They are getting by with talent and experience. If they were developing we wouldn't see the same idiotic mistakes. Bolomboy dribbling into double teams, Jeremy turning over the ball at terrible times, and Gittens still out of control and now sandbagging on defense. He should get less time in my opinion not more. Baker and Cannon just can't hit shots. Wide open and they brick it. You can't coach toughness and both have it. As for Hill...this is his fourth year in the program. If it takes a coach four freakin years to finally understand how to best use a guy and get him playing to his potential that is the definition of bad. Hill hasn't come close to his ceiling and he is only now playing somewhat to his ability.
Finally,the sheer laziness and lack of concern over such a loss coming from athletics is really infuriating. They just don't care. Absolutely pathetic!!
Second, let me preface this first by saying I think coach is a good coach, but not great, you can blatantly tell our talent is being mismanaged and I really don't think guys are developing. They are getting by with talent and experience. If they were developing we wouldn't see the same idiotic mistakes. Bolomboy dribbling into double teams, Jeremy turning over the ball at terrible times, and Gittens still out of control and now sandbagging on defense. He should get less time in my opinion not more. Baker and Cannon just can't hit shots. Wide open and they brick it. You can't coach toughness and both have it. As for Hill...this is his fourth year in the program. If it takes a coach four freakin years to finally understand how to best use a guy and get him playing to his potential that is the definition of bad. Hill hasn't come close to his ceiling and he is only now playing somewhat to his ability.
Finally,the sheer laziness and lack of concern over such a loss coming from athletics is really infuriating. They just don't care. Absolutely pathetic!!
Webergrad02
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oldrunner said:
This is one of the most condescending elitist crap posts I have ever read. You didn't even watch the game olds . Ryan played better on both ends of the court. I don't think Cody John is the answer. His shooting is not good. We shouldn't have needed that last second shot to push overtime. We let them in by turning down the intensity.
UtahPirate
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oldrunner said:
That's it?
Here's how this started, so let me remind you of your quote:
"I would bet my SS check that there will be some changes in this game. Changes in the starting lineup and changes in the rotation. I expect that shooters will be shooting and drivers driving. There will be a renewed emphasis on covering the outside shooters and not falling asleep defensively. Guys will cover or they won't play.
You heard it here.
I don't know if we will win or not, but we will darn sure get after it."
The only difference in that game was Richardson saw the court. So please back up what you believe you know. The starters were the same. Your SS check is at risk here Olds. And your lame responses are seriously hurting your credibility. And I've always enjoyed your posts.
Was Richardson part of the plan? Or just John as a starter? Was it just a rearranging of the regular 8 like I thought it would be? Or can we look forward to seeing Richardson regularly?
What can't we take Olds? That one is a mystery to me. You seem to be the one who is running from the discussion.
oldrunner
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UtahPirate said:
What was supposed to happen in this game was an increased role for Ryan and Cody at the 3 spot. Decreased roles for the other two who have been playing that position. Flu has been running through the team for the past few weeks and it must have hit Cody hard. With him not available, it shook up the apple cart. Everything else that was supposed to happen, happened. The rotation did change and the starting lineup would have changed if not for the flu bug. 9 of the 10 available players played and the distribution of playing time was significantly changed. I suspect that there will be more changes in the next game. What can't be predicted are illness and injuries.
If you throw rocks at people, you should expect some of them returned. I'm OK with anything you want to throw at me. I can throw back. It's not that bad when posters criticize coaches, it come with the job. However, when you are throwing rocks at players, I don't think it is appropriate. :twocents:
UtahPirate
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oldrunner said:
Not sure the throwing rocks at players was directed at me or not, but you must have misinterpreted my posts or read something of intent in one of my posts that wasn't there if you believe I was. I will post statistics that are relevant to my wanting to see something change though. I will never pull against the players. I like the makeup of this team, just not sure they are being used effectively. As I've stated in many posts, I hate Rahe's short bench. Bothers me to no end this year because there is a lot of talent that is not allowed to play with his short rotation.
But let's move on. Thank you! You gave me the information I wanted to know. A rereading of my posts for the past month will show that I've been absolutely 'messaging board begging' that Richardson be installed somewhere in the lineup. With John out with the flu I just wanted to know if Richardson's appearance was planned or not. If it was planned, then I, for one, am thrilled. I love his game. And if it was planned, then you can keep your SS check. I've got 5 more years to go before I can cash it... :nod:
