QB Situation

[Born2BleedPurpleGuy]

There HAS to be a hidden reason( :willybs: coachspeak) why we are still playing two QB'S. I can't think of any other reason why we hear all this "coach speak" about how Clark is mentoring Shaw. Oh I know...they want to catch the Grizz off guard thinking they are doing game prep for our vaunted duo. :rofl:
Since we are in "Mentor Mode", lets start Clark the 1st Qtr, go to Shaw the 2nd Qtr, next up is Leckington to start the 3rd Qtr and let's seeee....oh yeah, Hellinski gets to start the 4th Qtr. Now...what about Green? Since we are all about MENTORING, Green can start the OTsession for the win.(we WILL be tied after 4 Qtrs, in Missoula, right?) silly, huh? THIS make MORE sense than running a 2 quarterback system, errrrr...mentoring system.
My vote is for GREEN.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

What about Hilinski?

Something must have happened to have him to have him not playing.

He cannot be worse then the others.

Anyone know what happened to him??

According to the roster, Hilinski has been moved from QB to TE. Same thing happened to Corpus. He was a high school QB who has played WR for most of his career. Since Hilinski has been moved that is a pretty good indication that there really isn't much chance of him ever playing QB.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

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Hill thinks they might be able to go to #12 UM's 25k rowdy stadium and highly touted defense and surprise 'em because Weber had "one of the best practices." Sure, you never go into any game thinking you're going to loose but the reason for the optimism isn't too convincing. Garside (or whoever asked the question) thinks UM might be overlooking Weber, setting the stage for an upset :rofl: . I'll consider it an upset if Weber's offense has a sustained drive for a TD, even in the 2nd half of garbage time.
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:foot: :lol:

 

[oldrunner]

I hope that this game makes some of you realize how ignorant your posts have been about a young man doing his best to help his team win, and pulling off something that hasn't been done in a very long time.

My opinion is that you can criticize the HC and OC all you want, but you are stepping over the line when you are calling out individual players. That is the coaches job, not your job. There isn't a one of you that can even hold his jock strap, let alone do the job. That actually goes for any of our players. :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:

 

[wsucatfan]

I hope that this game makes some of you realize how ignorant your posts have been about a young man doing his best to help his team win, and pulling off something that hasn't been done in a very long time.

My opinion is that you can criticize the HC and OC all you want, but you are stepping over the line when you are calling out individual players. That is the coaches job, not your job. There isn't a one of you that can even hold his jock strap, let alone do the job. That actually goes for any of our players. :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:

First it's amazing the difference between last week and this week. Major congrats to WSU football players and coaches. I was on the edge of my seat watching the game.

But I disagree that players are off limits, it's a QB controversy on a fan forum, we're not calling for his head (OK most of us are not calling for his head). We are all arm chair QB's of course none of us can play at their athletic level but we can evaluate what we see at the games. Clark is a running QB, poor passer and until today's game he wasn't running much. Then burning Shaw's redshirt added fuel to the fire...

 

[WSUWildcat]

I hope that this game makes some of you realize how ignorant your posts have been about a young man doing his best to help his team win, and pulling off something that hasn't been done in a very long time.

My opinion is that you can criticize the HC and OC all you want, but you are stepping over the line when you are calling out individual players. That is the coaches job, not your job. There isn't a one of you that can even hold his jock strap, let alone do the job. That actually goes for any of our players. :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:

Never questioned Clark's desire to do his best. I think it shows in his game play. Especially when you see his frustration at making mistakes. Still don't believe he should be an option at QB in this offense. In an old school wishbone/double wing offense. Maybe? I don't believe he can win many games for us. He cannot throw simple routes.

Did he "win" on Saturday? Yes. But his contribution was mostly running for his life and not making mistakes. He is an above average runner. Defense won the game. Montana gave us the opportunity to win the game. Clark merely didn't "throw" away that opportunity.

Good coaching decision to limit his offense. Amazed Montana didn't stop the run. Not buying into it as a strategy for most games.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

I hope that this game makes some of you realize how ignorant your posts have been about a young man doing his best to help his team win, and pulling off something that hasn't been done in a very long time.

My opinion is that you can criticize the HC and OC all you want, but you are stepping over the line when you are calling out individual players. That is the coaches job, not your job. There isn't a one of you that can even hold his jock strap, let alone do the job. That actually goes for any of our players. :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:

Never questioned Clark's desire to do his best. I think it shows in his game play. Especially when you see his frustration at making mistakes. Still don't believe he should be an option at QB in this offense. In an old school wishbone/double wing offense. Maybe? I don't believe he can win many games for us. He cannot throw simple routes.

Did he "win" on Saturday? Yes. But his contribution was mostly running for his life and not making mistakes. He is an above average runner. Defense won the game. Montana gave us the opportunity to win the game. Clark merely didn't "throw" away that opportunity.

Good coaching decision to limit his offense. Amazed Montana didn't stop the run. Not buying into it as a strategy for most games.

:thumb:

Clark is a hell of a football player. He is as competitive as they come. We saw that time and time again on Saturday. One thing that really helped our offense is that the coaches allowed Jadrian to run. Well, in most situations, he really didn't have much of an option, but it is in those situations that he is extremely tough. His strength is his ability to run. But, teams are finding out very quick that Weber is one dimensional. They are going to start packing the box and forcing the Cats to pass. We all know that he can pass, but it is definitely not a strength. It'll be interesting to see what the coaches do moving forward. Shaw didn't even sniff the field on Saturday. You have to suspect, that if Shaw comes into the game, that the Coaches are automatically going to pass more during those series. If Hill wants to move forward with a dual approach, then he needs to get more out of Clark's passing game. Screens perhaps?

 

[wsucatfan]

New QB article by Brandon. I guess even though WSU has won 3-4 games I don't believe Clark is the reason for Weber's success. I'm beating a dead horse but if it wasn't for our running game (yes Clark is a factor in that) and our stout defense we would not not have won the games we did. Just my opinion but we win despite Clarks poor passing (not even top 10 in BSC passing or passing percentage). But I'll be there Saturday cheering my Cats on regardless of who is under center.

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2015/10/13/In-Jadrian-We-Trust.html

 

[n.ogdencat]

New QB article by Brandon. I guess even though WSU has won 3-4 games I don't believe Clark is the reason for Weber's success. I'm beating a dead horse but if it wasn't for our running game (yes Clark is a factor in that) and our stout defense we would not not have won the games we did. Just my opinion but we win despite Clarks poor passing (not even top 10 in BSC passing or passing percentage). But I'll be there Saturday cheering my Cats on regardless of who is under center.

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2015/10/13/In-Jadrian-We-Trust.html

Agreed... :thumb:

Clark wasn't the greatest passer last season, but he had a better percentage than what he has shown this season. The coaching staff didn't even want to test Clark's arm in Missoula in the second half. We played not to lose and this time, we got lucky, and left Missoula with a W. I was very impressed by our line and how dominant, on both sides of the ball, it was. Our running attack isn't anything exciting, but it gets the job done. Hard nose, smash mouth football. But...to say that Jadrian is the reason behind the wins?? That is giving credit where credit isn't fully due. Yes, Jadrian played well and picked up yards with his feet when he needed to, but the defense totally deserves credit for this win and the offensive line.

Going forward, I figure (and to be truthful, I'm not an expert), Weber's passing game needs to start gaining around 225 yards a game to really make Weber two-dimensional. Is Jadrian capable of doing that? He's done it in the past and I feel he has the skill to do it moving forward. Is Jadrian a 300+ passer? No...But do we expect him to be? No...we just need a capable, dependent, and tough nosed QB leading our offense. Hill wants to grind out wins and keep the ball on the ground. As long as we can successfully move the ball through our running attack, we will keep the ball in the hands of our backs.

 

[WSUWildcat]

Going forward, I figure (and to be truthful, I'm not an expert), Weber's passing game needs to start gaining around 225 yards a game to really make Weber two-dimensional. Is Jadrian capable of doing that? He's done it in the past and I feel he has the skill to do it moving forward. Is Jadrian a 300+ passer? No...But do we expect him to be? No...we just need a capable, dependent, and tough nosed QB leading our offense. Hill wants to grind out wins and keep the ball on the ground. As long as we can successfully move the ball through our running attack, we will keep the ball in the hands of our backs.

I am not even sure it is about yards. But rather the threat of yards. Play action every so often. Force the defense out of crowding the box. Make DB's aware that it may not be a run.

Grinding out wins with the run is fine by me. But I think if we continue to be one dimensional, the best O-line play we can hope for still won't be enough. I have my doubts that Clark can manage a throwing game. He locks in on the first receiver and has not shown any touch. Even the TD pass last week was more about the YAC and less about the pass.

I love the win in Missoula. But the opportunity was gifted to us. And the defense took advantage. We cannot expect to throw up 3 points in the second half and win against anyone in the Big Sky.

 

[PurpleBlood]

I got to give Jadrian credit! He took care of the football and really showed he can pass in the second half.

 

[mac]

Comparing Green/Clark...
Green: Rating: Completion %age: Yds/Game: Interceptions vs attempts:
122 61 187 1 int. every 40 attempts

Clark: 87 47 144 1 int. every 23 attempts

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass! These simple statistics comparing Green last year to Clark this year says it all. In every quantifiable measurement their is no justification for continuing to start Clark. (Please understand that I am not suggesting that either of these QB's are the solution for WSU. Neither one is, but Green is the better choice and might win a game that Clark will not.)

What has Billy Green done to piss off the staff? There has to be something that we as fans are not privy to. I can't believe that this staff can't see that Green is the better choice. I have to believe that they do see this but don't want to start him because of some other reason/issue unrelated to his QB prowess.

And by the way Jay, you need to come up with a better reason to continue to start Clark than that he won two games at the end of the season last year. As someone else hear has already said, those wins were against nobody's and Green could have won those games also.

No decent HC would ever suggest that playing two QB's is a positive thing. It just cannot be justified. It has never worked, and it never will, despite what Hill says about his experience at Utah. They would have had a better year at Utah if they had gone with just Johnson.

Jadrian beat Green out. Green was playing scared last year. If he has improved, great. If not, we have got the best out there until the young freshman gets up to speed.

 

[thewaterboy]

What will it take for the Coaching staff to HONESTLY re-evaluate the starters on Offense especially at the QB position. The starting QB plays hard and you can tell he is a very competitive person, but at this point its fair to say overall he hasn't gotten the job done. And don't tell me he takes care of the ball well, he has 8 TD's AND 8 INT's on the year. In fact between the 2 QB's that have thrown passes this year WSU has 9 TD's and 11 INT's. And I have lost count of how many of those 11 INT's were pick 6's
I am NO genius, but I have watched enough WSU football to know which position group IS the weakest link on this years team. Just wondering why none of the other QB's on the roster get a chance in real game action.

 

[wsucatfan]

What will it take for the Coaching staff to HONESTLY re-evaluate the starters on Offense especially at the QB position. The starting QB plays hard and you can tell he is a very competitive person, but at this point its fair to say overall he hasn't gotten the job done. And don't tell me he takes care of the ball well, he has 8 TD's AND 8 INT's on the year. In fact between the 2 QB's that have thrown passes this year WSU has 9 TD's and 11 INT's. And I have lost count of how many of those 11 INT's were pick 6's
I am NO genius, but I have watched enough WSU football to know which position group IS the weakest link on this years team. Just wondering why none of the other QB's on the roster get a chance in real game action.

At this point the only thing I think that will keep Clark off the field is a injury, which I don't want to wish on any athlete.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

What will it take for the Coaching staff to HONESTLY re-evaluate the starters on Offense especially at the QB position. The starting QB plays hard and you can tell he is a very competitive person, but at this point its fair to say overall he hasn't gotten the job done. And don't tell me he takes care of the ball well, he has 8 TD's AND 8 INT's on the year. In fact between the 2 QB's that have thrown passes this year WSU has 9 TD's and 11 INT's. And I have lost count of how many of those 11 INT's were pick 6's
I am NO genius, but I have watched enough WSU football to know which position group IS the weakest link on this years team. Just wondering why none of the other QB's on the roster get a chance in real game action.

At this point the only thing I think that will keep Clark off the field is a injury, which I don't want to wish on any athlete.

:| Jadrian Clark is our stater and I don't think he will be getting pulled anytime soon. You're right waterboy, he isn't the greatest. One has to wonder what type of offense our team would have if we had a better leader. It was hard to watch him orchestrate the offense on Saturday.

 

[wsucatfan]

Isn't Shaw going on a mission? If so, its seems worthless to give him that game experience because he may not even touch a football for the next two years. I would hope that Clark could mentor him without him having to play a snap. But heck, I am no QB guru.

I found out from a Shaw family member he is not LDS, so she was pretty sure he was not going on a mission...

 

[thewaterboy]

Isn't Shaw going on a mission? If so, its seems worthless to give him that game experience because he may not even touch a football for the next two years. I would hope that Clark could mentor him without him having to play a snap. But heck, I am no QB guru.

I found out from a Shaw family member he is not LDS, so she was pretty sure he was not going on a mission...

It wont matter who goes or stays, we will be blessed with the same terrible play at the QB position that we all watched last year. Why can't the coaches figure out that QB is the weakest link on the field every week.
The coaches didn't see many issues at QB last year and i don't think much will change for this coming year. :twocents:

 

[AlumniWSU]

Coach Jay Hill has to know the downfall problems on offense, his comments post-season were in part mentioning that the offense needs work, especially red zone execution. Don't know if Coach Clark calls the shots about QB, but the coaches must know some things that most posters (per the voting) don't or simply ignore (concerning Green).

Coach Clark said that play needed to be simplified in the red zone for better execution, but these coaches are too experienced to not see things as they are on the QB position...keeping things discrete...maybe they'll have better options for next season. OC play calling has been poor in my opinion as well. :twocents:

 

[oldrunner]

Coaches are never going to come out and throw one of their players or coaches under the bus. These coach's jobs are to know everything about their charges and how to get the most out of their potential. They are fully aware of all the weaknesses. It doesn't mean that they can just show up at the QB store and pick the player they want or put a winning bid in on the hottest OC in the world. The truth of the matter is that they are always looking to upgrade the talent and improve their coaching. It may never move fast enough to satisfy everyone, but you can be assured that the effort is there. Jobs depend on it.

Personally, I prefer a coach who doesn't just throw players away and look for a newer models. Our coaches look to bring in new guys and let the competition take care of itself. I like that. Who ever wins the QB competition in the spring will most likely be our QB. It is possible for someone to win it in the summer, but not likely. :twocents: