superhornet
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Should the University change its admissions criteria to make it easier to recruit better athletes for the athletics programs, in this case, Football? Why or why not?
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No. The current admission standards aren’t holding back our recruiting, if they are then we are targeting the wrong student-athletes.
Besides, the current admissions are low enough. If anything they need to be raised to prevent students who aren’t prepared for college from enrolling and wasting tax payer money to learn stuff they should have learned in high school. The JC system here in CA provides alternatives for students who don’t/can't make the cut.
Besides, the current admissions are low enough. If anything they need to be raised to prevent students who aren’t prepared for college from enrolling and wasting tax payer money to learn stuff they should have learned in high school. The JC system here in CA provides alternatives for students who don’t/can't make the cut.
BLEEDGREEN
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I believe the admission standards are sufficent enough to allow talent to attened our school. Let be real we are no UCLA, where every athlete must have atleast a 3.0 to even be considered. Like i have been saying for years We need things like alternate uniforms and other perks to put us ahead of our competition. Come on Hornet fans I'm sure Addidas would cut us a break on one full uniform, since they pay us for sponsorship anyways, we should all come together and pitch in on something that would draw top FCS recruits our way. We also should be more active fans on things like this blog, I have taken a look at Montana's blog and I mean all tho that is all they have these people live and die for that school. I'm sure we can acquire a lot of fans looking to support a top collegiate program in northern California. But you can't win without premium talent that's just the truth of the matter and you can't get premium talent without perks(I.e. alternate uniforms, helmets) look what that theory did for Oregon or Boise state. I'm willing to dish out a couple hundred dollars for the futures success of our school!
iSac
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No. The standard CSUS admission processes will help vet out those that aren’t cut out for the rigors of university studies. If a player can’t get in against those, then their chances of simultaneously succeeding in academics and D1 athletics seem low. Sac needs student-athletes that can make the university as a whole proud.
StungAlum2
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I don't think lowering admissions criteria would do anything for athletics. Just look at WSU and SUU, they are both open enrollment institutions meaning that if you apply, you are accepted. UM has a 96% acceptance rate.
You wont get a better athlete by lowering standards, you'll get more problems.
If you look at the criteria for an FBS scholarship offer, you must have a 2.5 gpa to qualify. Most state schools in any state only require a resident of that state to have a 2.0 gpa to be admitted, which would not qualify a student athlete to receive an FBS scholarship offer.
I do not know if an FCS scholarship offer requires a 2.5 gpa...
Winning and doing it consistantly, is the ONLY way to get people involved and generate casual fan interest. Unfortunately, Sac State is in an area saturated with fair weather fans and is only sporatically covered by local media that focuses on the Bay Area.
Gimmicks such as alternate uniforms, giveaways, etc. make the program look desperate and bring the wrong people to the games for the wrong reasons. Gimmicks don't create fans, winning and a tradition worth celebrating does.
You wont get a better athlete by lowering standards, you'll get more problems.
If you look at the criteria for an FBS scholarship offer, you must have a 2.5 gpa to qualify. Most state schools in any state only require a resident of that state to have a 2.0 gpa to be admitted, which would not qualify a student athlete to receive an FBS scholarship offer.
I do not know if an FCS scholarship offer requires a 2.5 gpa...
Winning and doing it consistantly, is the ONLY way to get people involved and generate casual fan interest. Unfortunately, Sac State is in an area saturated with fair weather fans and is only sporatically covered by local media that focuses on the Bay Area.
Gimmicks such as alternate uniforms, giveaways, etc. make the program look desperate and bring the wrong people to the games for the wrong reasons. Gimmicks don't create fans, winning and a tradition worth celebrating does.
iSac
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StungAlum2 said:
A separate topic, but Sac's unis are okay. "Meh." Nothing fancy or exciting. There are certainly some new ones that have come out recently that are pretty slick and wouldn't hurt recruiting or buzz around the program. ASU's are a good example.
Finding the balance before going too gimmicky is important. You're right that going too far can look desperate... or ridiculous. Kind of like blinding red field turf.
StungAlum2
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iSac said:StungAlum2 said:
A separate topic, but Sac's unis are okay. "Meh." Nothing fancy or exciting. There are certainly some new ones that have come out recently that are pretty slick and wouldn't hurt recruiting or buzz around the program. ASU's are a good example.
Finding the balance before going too gimmicky is important. You're right that going too far can look desperate... or ridiculous. Kind of like blinding red field turf.
No athlete is going to pick a program because of its uniform. Alternate uniforms are used by teams on national television. When is the last time the Hornet football team was on national tv?
ASU, BSU, Maryland, Oregon all have nationally televised games year after year. Do you honestly beleive that if Sac State, never having been nationally televised nor televised locally (once per year), will benefit from having alternate uniforms?!?!
What do the following programs have in common? Notre Dame, FSU, PSU, USC, UCLA. None of them have alternate uniforms and all are successfull in recruiting top notch talent. Why? because they have a tradition worth celebrating and they WIN.
Kadeezy
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Has Williy(?) on the CS Forums done a Nike Pro Combat sample for Sac State yet? Personally I don't think uniforms make the program. Sure the players feel spiffy in them for about two seconds when they run out on the field, but if they suck, they suck, no matter what they're wearing.
I played at a HS where we weren't allowed to wear crazy accessories, etc., we were old school. And, when it came time to play the rich school... new field turf, Under Armour everything, "perscribed" Oakley helmet visors, $200 cleats, and slim-fit jerseys didn't do them a bit of good on the field.
I played at a HS where we weren't allowed to wear crazy accessories, etc., we were old school. And, when it came time to play the rich school... new field turf, Under Armour everything, "perscribed" Oakley helmet visors, $200 cleats, and slim-fit jerseys didn't do them a bit of good on the field.
GoldenEagleHornet
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There's no reason for Sac St to lower admissions standards. All Cali H.S. grads need a 2900 eligibility index (EI) score to attend a four-year Cali public university. I work in enrollment services for a public university in our state.
Each CSU is allowed to establish multiple index tiers based on impaction. For example, all students graduating from Sacramento County high schools only 2900 EI, the state minimum. But students graduating from high schools in S.J., C.C., Solano, Yolo and the rest of the neighboring counties need a 3200 EI score and the students graduating from high schools in the rest of the state need a 3500 EI score.
Let's say, hypothetically, that an athlete from L.A. County has been recruited for a hornets team. The athlete doesn't hold a 3500 EI score, but holds 2982 EI score. The athlete meets the state minimum requirement (2900), therefore qualifying to enter a public four-year directly out of H.S. With that information in-hand, the athletic dept. can petition or request enrollment services to grant admission to this recruit. Often, it is granted. This doesn't only occur with athletes, artists (art, dance, music etc students) are often admitted the same way. If you application has game film or portfolio attached to it, it will help jump the tiers. Each campus can determines how strict or flexible it will be with its EI tiers policy.
Also, this question reminds of an article I read in the L.A. Times some seasons ago, when a bottom dwelling Stanford beat PAC 10 power USC. The following Monday after the game, the article came out. It compared Stanford's USC's football players GPAs and their majors. Many of the cardinal held GPAs above 3.5 and were majoring in programs such as Architecture, Int'l Business, Economics and so forth. The Trojans, on the other hand, many members of the football team were taking courses at Los Angeles Trade-Tech College (JUCO), less than two miles away from USC, concurrently and majoring in the less difficult majors; liberal arts, communications, journalism etc. Stanford held one of the highest graduation rates while USC one of the lowest in the PAC 10. Stanford is a prime example that a university doesn't need to lower admissions standards for athletes.
Each CSU is allowed to establish multiple index tiers based on impaction. For example, all students graduating from Sacramento County high schools only 2900 EI, the state minimum. But students graduating from high schools in S.J., C.C., Solano, Yolo and the rest of the neighboring counties need a 3200 EI score and the students graduating from high schools in the rest of the state need a 3500 EI score.
Let's say, hypothetically, that an athlete from L.A. County has been recruited for a hornets team. The athlete doesn't hold a 3500 EI score, but holds 2982 EI score. The athlete meets the state minimum requirement (2900), therefore qualifying to enter a public four-year directly out of H.S. With that information in-hand, the athletic dept. can petition or request enrollment services to grant admission to this recruit. Often, it is granted. This doesn't only occur with athletes, artists (art, dance, music etc students) are often admitted the same way. If you application has game film or portfolio attached to it, it will help jump the tiers. Each campus can determines how strict or flexible it will be with its EI tiers policy.
Also, this question reminds of an article I read in the L.A. Times some seasons ago, when a bottom dwelling Stanford beat PAC 10 power USC. The following Monday after the game, the article came out. It compared Stanford's USC's football players GPAs and their majors. Many of the cardinal held GPAs above 3.5 and were majoring in programs such as Architecture, Int'l Business, Economics and so forth. The Trojans, on the other hand, many members of the football team were taking courses at Los Angeles Trade-Tech College (JUCO), less than two miles away from USC, concurrently and majoring in the less difficult majors; liberal arts, communications, journalism etc. Stanford held one of the highest graduation rates while USC one of the lowest in the PAC 10. Stanford is a prime example that a university doesn't need to lower admissions standards for athletes.
StungAlum2
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iSac said:StungAlum2 said:
A separate topic, but Sac's unis are okay. "Meh." Nothing fancy or exciting. There are certainly some new ones that have come out recently that are pretty slick and wouldn't hurt recruiting or buzz around the program. ASU's are a good example.
Finding the balance before going too gimmicky is important. You're right that going too far can look desperate... or ridiculous. Kind of like blinding red field turf.
Missed the red turf comment earlier... I totally agree.
superhornet
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Good! I like how everyone has different reasons for holding the same position. In my mind, that makes the position that much more tenable.
Great work, guys!
Great work, guys!
bigsacstatehornetfan
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Admission standards are low enough!
Alternate uniforms will be a huge recruiting tool to get more players to play here. Even if our games are not nationally televised any player interested in coming here will fall in love. I am all for alternate uniforms! But Sac State needs $
hno:
Let's ALL write ADIDAS an email to see if they will be generous enough to give us a uniform for free!
Alternate uniforms will be a huge recruiting tool to get more players to play here. Even if our games are not nationally televised any player interested in coming here will fall in love. I am all for alternate uniforms! But Sac State needs $
hno:Let's ALL write ADIDAS an email to see if they will be generous enough to give us a uniform for free!
StungAlum2
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bigsacstatehornetfan said:Admission standards are low enough!
Alternate uniforms will be a huge recruiting tool to get more players to play here. Even if our games are not nationally televised any player interested in coming here will fall in love. I am all for alternate uniforms! But Sac State needs $
Let's ALL write ADIDAS an email to see if they will be generous enough to give us a uniform for free!
Why would Adidas give Sac State free uniforms that will never be seen on tv? What is Adidas' motivation? It would be a terrible business move for Adidas to do that, they wouldnt be getting ANY advertising value out of the deal.
Adidas is a company, their goal is to sell a product and make a profit, not to make every football team from NAIA to FBS feel good about cool new uniforms that are worn once in a season.
Adidas does not give Sac State uniforms, Sac State pays for them. You do understand that, don't you?
Alternate uniforms will not help with recruiting. :dead:
BLEEDGREEN
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As a former highschool and NCAA football scholar i can assure you, after looking at the schools athletic and academic prestige, uniforms are a huge factor in the selection process. This is not a desperate move it is the way of the future and has been proven to be boost to teams recruiting process. Even UCLA who has a very simple uniform layout created an alternate jersey this past season. Those who dont believe this must not know the psyche of young athletes coming into a new program. Im not saying it will make the team play any better, but it will direct better transfers our way!
