I am so sick and tired about people claiming Rahe is a great coach because he coached Damian and Joel. This does not make him a good coach. This makes him a great recruiter. Again, I am tired of people saying how Rahe's claim to fame is Dame. And Again, there is a reason that Dame never went dancing. Damian made it to the NBA because of himself, not Rahe. Dame credits Beckner, not Rahe for his successes. Look Rahe makes nearly $500k, and that makes me want to puke. I do not care who Rahe has coached, who he might coach, and what recruits we are getting. I care about results and getting games won. It doesn't matter who he puts on the floor, but if you cant coach, you cant win. I am convinced Rahe would lose these games even with the 'Dream Team' on the floor for the purple and white. I do not think our goal should be to win "league" every year, as that has been the goal for 11 years now. There needs to be a higher bar set. We need a coach who can get results and someone who does not make excuses year after year. I do not support the claim that, "we will only get worse without Rahe , but we cant do better without him." I am so tired of hearing that claim. Pope who makes $200k beat BYU, a team that Rahe is 0-10 against all-time. Tonight, UNLV is playing in Cedar City, so this excuse that we cant get teams to come here, are bogus. Things are looking beak for WSU basketball... But dont worry, we will win the 30th ranked "leauge" and all will be well. :wall: :wall: Here here to a play in game... Sorry for the mid-day rant, but this season, coupled with the years of Rahe's inabilities, flaws, and insanities, has me on a low. These should be his real reputations...
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Rahe's Reputations
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SWeberCat02
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Well this is sure to get the settlers riled up.
SWeberCat02 said:
I guess it probably will SWC02.... But after thinking about the current state of the program, and just taking to the casual fans of the bball program, everyone I talk to cant seem to look past the fact Rahe has recruited two NBA players... And for some reason, to the casual fan, this is justification to keeping Rahe.. Which most on here know, I am not a fan of the past, I think the past should be a learned from, and that is what gets me fired up with Rahe and his coaching. Getting players to the NBA is great stuff, but how is that making Rahe better today? I would trade putting players in the NBA, if that meant getting wins in the dance. How can people be okay with just winning league anymore? Why is that the status quo? I personally believe that Rahe has more negative coaching traits than positive ones. What Dame is doing in the NBA has zero correlation to how this program is doing. Again, there is a reason Dame never went dancing.
Examples of a coach that CAN'T coach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS2zYPvJmMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhVP4NR0Whw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMy3tdpzgVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcb3eiSuHOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqq8yj4NdUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqj7ol_D5E
(I got tried of searching in youtube, "weber state basletball loses."
Examples of a coach who CAN coach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUFtYYB5PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nszZe6JeszY
The point is that, just because Dame played here does not give Rahe the right to be the coach here. Coaches before Rahe had found success without the Dame's and Joel's of the world. It all comes down to if you can coach or not. And Rahe cant coach... He can only recruit.
SWWeatherCat
Active member
Thee biggest Weber State loss for me was losing Coach A. How good would a Rahe recruited, Abegglen coached Weber State team be? I would have loved to find out.
This fanboard is becoming almost unreadable. If anyone here thinks they can do a better job than Randy Rahe then feel free to polish up your resume and go and give it to Jerry or even Norm. Yes there are things about the current state of the basketball program that bug me but I am still a fan and I still think Randy Rahe is a hell of a coach. If you want him gone then perhaps you should remember how awesome this program was under Denny Houston. :twocents:
SWeberCat02
Active member
Despite what some might think, I and others really do want Rahe to succeed. Just very frustrating when we don't see improvement. Hard to argue that Rahe has improved over the past 10 years. Improvement would be doing better OOC, against in-state, and having a real shot at getting a win in the NCAA. That's all we want, and I don't think that's being unrealistic in the slightest. Just winning conference every year is not improving, it's the status quo, especially when the conference has become progressively worse. I really think one way Rahe could improve is by hiring an assistant with some real experience, including high level head coaching experience. Montana has done this. They've had Evans and Bone in the past. Maybe it's Randy's pride or the fact that he eats up so much salary, but he generally has not had very good, or at least very experienced, assistants. :twocents:
SWeberCat02
Active member
Now that's just stupid, aj. Of course we aren't saying we could do better, no one has ever said that. Don't use that card. We're only saying that we think Randy can do better. He needs to evolve. He has admitted himself several times that he's stubborn and only knows how to do things a certain way. That needs to change if we ever want to see improvement. And his ho-hum attitude, coach speak, and excuses make it so much worse. Randy could take a lesson from Jay Hill and actually be and sound pissed off when he loses. We do remember the down times of the program, and know things could definitely be worse, but we also remember the days of beating in-state teams regularly, good home schedules, and winning NCAA tournament games, and know things could be better. And I for one think this forum is more interesting now than it has been in the past. Nothing wrong with some good discussion, analysis, and a little fire.ajwildcat said:
The reason I am saying this fanboard is becoming unreadable is because of all the bitching. The vocal minority has become increasingly negative. Almost daily there is a new thread about how this guy sucks, or that guy blows. :wall: If i wanted to read and hear negative bullshit all day I would follow politics. I follow sports to get away from all of that crap. :twocents:SWeberCat02 said:
Yes we all have our opinions and freedom to express our opinions. My opinion is this: I am sick of the bitching, crying and whining.
There are things I don't agree with, I have made my feelings known and have moved on.
I am not looking to attack anyone or call anyone "Stupid". :thumb:
ajwildcat said:
AJ, do you really not understand sports? sports nowadays is 99% political. Maybe that is why you're content with things being #justweber? Politics is everything in sports.. Saying you follow sports to get away from "bitching, crying and whining" is straight up naive. I am tired of this program just getting it taken to them on so many levels. At what point do you fight back and demand more from the program? 2, 5, 10 years from now? Why are you content with being #justweber? Why cant fans expect more from the school, from an 11 year coach? And how do my expectations make me not a fan? An example is this: If I go see a movie that sucks halfway through, I'll just walk out, I dont have to sit there and just tolerate it because I paid for it, and tell people it was a great movie when it wasnt, but in the future I rather see something better given the choice in that movie vs. a different movie. That is how I feel many in the community see things right now, in regards to the state of the program.
During the BYU/USU game last night, how embarrassing was it to hear them say that Dave Rose is 11-0 vs Weber State. Randy is responsible for 10 of those losses, then they say how Rose is 1-1 vs UVU.... :wall: :wall: In the near future, politics will take over (which AJ will be blind too) and UVU will take our spot in the "Utah tournament" that will be played in SLC. Why are we more entitled to play in that tournament and not UVU? I mean, we are #justweber right? But yeah, if something like that were to happen, all of us including AJ will just sit there and take it, because were just here to win "league." We really should just get rid of OOC games...
SWeberCat02
Active member
Not saying you are stupid aj, just that that take is stupid. But honestly, what do you expect from an internet message board? And this one is relatively tame. And when the team is struggling losing games to Iona and Buffalo, you're going to have negativity on the board, as should be expected. Gotta be able to take the negative with the positive.ajwildcat said:
Decent competition -there are only two game this year that Weber was out talented in and should have lost. And at least one of them could have been a victory with good coaching. Name me one game this year where Rahe has not been out coached. But I am not so sure its the losing that is being bitched about. I think it comes from people who are tired of seeing the same ole "bs" year after year with no hope of change.
baller said:
You are correct baller.
Does losing to Pepperdine suck? Yes it does. However, its the way we lose, they way we are coached/lack thereof, and the year after year, similar losses are what makes me mad. Our OOC games are on repeat. Rahe should win the BSC every year, he has the best facilities, resources, money etc. In 10 years he's only been dancing 3 times. He is 30% at getting to the dance, and that mark realistically should be around 90%. Apparently winning the title is sufficient enough for most forum members, staff, school and Rahe. I do not care that we are in a one bid league, win some freaking OOC games, beat the in-state squds, and get yourself some national respect. Why cant wining a game or two in the dance be the goal? Baller is right, Rahe has his sights too low. Is winning the national championship a worthy goal? I think so. However, its not very likely, buy why cant weber state teams aspire to such dreams/goals? Because we are #justweber, doesnt mean we cant compete on the national stage. Will weber win a national championship in my lifetime or ever? Probably not, but shouldnt that be the real goal? Is the point to just win a BSC title? If so, why even send the BSC tournament champion to the dance? Should the BSC just forgo its champion a the big dance? If your goal is a national championship, doesnt everything else fall into line? I think our sights are too low as well. I am not advocating that we are going to win the national championship, but teams like, Gonzaga, Butler, Wichita State, etc. had to decide to raise their sights.
baller said:
So it's Rahe's fault that the kids miss so many freethrows including Baker who last year was the go to freethrow shooter? It's Rahe's fault that the kids turn the ball over 20 times?
How about the game against Davis? You know the one Weber won by almost 30?
And I'm calling B.S. On the whole "we don't complain because we lose" crap. Every time this team loses a game, even ones they aren't supposed to, certain individuals (like yourself) take the opportunity to belittle Rahe.
Hell I've even seen you post only the negatives after a win and not mention anything about the positives of the game.
WILDCAT said:
Actually, yes everything that happens during a game, good or bad, is a direct reflection of Rahe. Its his players that are missing free throws and turning the ball over. Same as in life, at work, if things arent done on time and done the way the company wants things done, then my direct boss gets the blame. The leader gets the blame/praise for everything. Maybe its the way Rahe practices, and the plays we run that affect the poor shooting and turnovers. But you do realize everything falls on Rahe's shoulders win or lose?
Are you a relative of Rahe, WILDCAT?
