WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:baller said:Decent competition -there are only two game this year that Weber was out talented in and should have lost. And at least one of them could have been a victory with good coaching. Name me one game this year where Rahe has not been out coached. But I am not so sure its the losing that is being bitched about. I think it comes from people who are tired of seeing the same ole "bs" year after year with no hope of change.
So it's Rahe's fault that the kids miss so many freethrows including Baker who last year was the go to freethrow shooter? It's Rahe's fault that the kids turn the ball over 20 times?
How about the game against Davis? You know the one Weber won by almost 30?
And I'm calling B.S. On the whole "we don't complain because we lose" crap. Every time this team loses a game, even ones they aren't supposed to, certain individuals (like yourself) take the opportunity to belittle Rahe.
Hell I've even seen you post only the negatives after a win and not mention anything about the positives of the game.
Actually, yes everything that happens during a game, good or bad, is a direct reflection of Rahe. Its his players that are missing free throws and turning the ball over. Same as in life, at work, if things arent done on time and done the way the company wants things done, then my direct boss gets the blame. The leader gets the blame/praise for everything. Maybe its the way Rahe practices, and the plays we run that affect the poor shooting and turnovers. But you do realize everything falls on Rahe's shoulders win or lose?
Are you a relative of Rahe, WILDCAT?
WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:baller said:Decent competition -there are only two game this year that Weber was out talented in and should have lost. And at least one of them could have been a victory with good coaching. Name me one game this year where Rahe has not been out coached. But I am not so sure its the losing that is being bitched about. I think it comes from people who are tired of seeing the same ole "bs" year after year with no hope of change.
So it's Rahe's fault that the kids miss so many freethrows including Baker who last year was the go to freethrow shooter? It's Rahe's fault that the kids turn the ball over 20 times?
How about the game against Davis? You know the one Weber won by almost 30?
And I'm calling B.S. On the whole "we don't complain because we lose" crap. Every time this team loses a game, even ones they aren't supposed to, certain individuals (like yourself) take the opportunity to belittle Rahe.
Hell I've even seen you post only the negatives after a win and not mention anything about the positives of the game.
Actually, yes everything that happens during a game, good or bad, is a direct reflection of Rahe. Its his players that are missing free throws and turning the ball over. Same as in life, at work, if things arent done on time and done the way the company wants things done, then my direct boss gets the blame. The leader gets the blame/praise for everything. Maybe its the way Rahe practices, and the plays we run that affect the poor shooting and turnovers. But you do realize everything falls on Rahe's shoulders win or lose?
Are you a relative of Rahe, WILDCAT?
A coach can preach, preach, preach and preach some more about the fundamentals in the game but in the end it falls on the players to be able to finish.
Holy Hells Bells is that the "Rahe haters" only real insult to resort to? That I'm either related to Rahe, work in the administration or am Rahe myself because I defend him?
Do you not see how simple minded and childish that argument sounds?
TROLL!
WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:baller said:Decent competition -there are only two game this year that Weber was out talented in and should have lost. And at least one of them could have been a victory with good coaching. Name me one game this year where Rahe has not been out coached. But I am not so sure its the losing that is being bitched about. I think it comes from people who are tired of seeing the same ole "bs" year after year with no hope of change.
So it's Rahe's fault that the kids miss so many freethrows including Baker who last year was the go to freethrow shooter? It's Rahe's fault that the kids turn the ball over 20 times?
How about the game against Davis? You know the one Weber won by almost 30?
And I'm calling B.S. On the whole "we don't complain because we lose" crap. Every time this team loses a game, even ones they aren't supposed to, certain individuals (like yourself) take the opportunity to belittle Rahe.
Hell I've even seen you post only the negatives after a win and not mention anything about the positives of the game.
Actually, yes everything that happens during a game, good or bad, is a direct reflection of Rahe. Its his players that are missing free throws and turning the ball over. Same as in life, at work, if things arent done on time and done the way the company wants things done, then my direct boss gets the blame. The leader gets the blame/praise for everything. Maybe its the way Rahe practices, and the plays we run that affect the poor shooting and turnovers. But you do realize everything falls on Rahe's shoulders win or lose?
Are you a relative of Rahe, WILDCAT?
A coach can preach, preach, preach and preach some more about the fundamentals in the game but in the end it falls on the players to be able to finish.
Holy Hells Bells is that the "Rahe haters" only real insult to resort to? That I'm either related to Rahe, work in the administration or am Rahe myself because I defend him?
Do you not see how simple minded and childish that argument sounds?
TROLL!
Right.... I am a troll because I disagree with the direction of the program, in particular Rahe. WILDCAT, you have basically proven a good majority of our opinions on here regarding Rahe. Thats the problem we have with him. He preached well, but when it comes down to it, he cant coach. Thats the difference between a coach and a recruiter. Rahe (preaches)=recruiter: Abegglen=coaches... Its those type of differences that we currently lack. Just admit it WILDCAT, you're okay with just winning "league."
WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:baller said:Decent competition -there are only two game this year that Weber was out talented in and should have lost. And at least one of them could have been a victory with good coaching. Name me one game this year where Rahe has not been out coached. But I am not so sure its the losing that is being bitched about. I think it comes from people who are tired of seeing the same ole "bs" year after year with no hope of change.
So it's Rahe's fault that the kids miss so many freethrows including Baker who last year was the go to freethrow shooter? It's Rahe's fault that the kids turn the ball over 20 times?
How about the game against Davis? You know the one Weber won by almost 30?
And I'm calling B.S. On the whole "we don't complain because we lose" crap. Every time this team loses a game, even ones they aren't supposed to, certain individuals (like yourself) take the opportunity to belittle Rahe.
Hell I've even seen you post only the negatives after a win and not mention anything about the positives of the game.
Actually, yes everything that happens during a game, good or bad, is a direct reflection of Rahe. Its his players that are missing free throws and turning the ball over. Same as in life, at work, if things arent done on time and done the way the company wants things done, then my direct boss gets the blame. The leader gets the blame/praise for everything. Maybe its the way Rahe practices, and the plays we run that affect the poor shooting and turnovers. But you do realize everything falls on Rahe's shoulders win or lose?
Are you a relative of Rahe, WILDCAT?
A coach can preach, preach, preach and preach some more about the fundamentals in the game but in the end it falls on the players to be able to finish.
Holy Hells Bells is that the "Rahe haters" only real insult to resort to? That I'm either related to Rahe, work in the administration or am Rahe myself because I defend him?
Do you not see how simple minded and childish that argument sounds?
TROLL!
Right.... I am a troll because I disagree with the direction of the program, in particular Rahe. WILDCAT, you have basically proven a good majority of our opinions on here regarding Rahe. Thats the problem we have with him. He preached well, but when it comes down to it, he cant coach. Thats the difference between a coach and a recruiter. Rahe (preaches)=recruiter: Abegglen=coaches... Its those type of differences that we currently lack. Just admit it WILDCAT, you're okay with just winning "league."
No, you're a troll because you go out of your way to create stupid topics like this one even after discussing it in several other already created topics.
You are a troll because you don't congratulate the team when they do good things like winning the tournament in Florida or when they won the first ever real neutral Big Sky tournament. But are the first to post and create a whole new topic to boot when the team loses a game YOU don't believe they should.
You're a troll cause you sit on here and moan and bawl and complain about what our head coaches do or don't, what our administration does or does not do, you yell and scream for their heads yet what have you done to try to fix it? what have you contributed to help this team rise to the next level? Wine and cry on a fan forum? Yeah really productive.
In the end, You are a troll because you have not given me any reason at all to believe otherwise.
No, I want more than just to win the league, I want a better record against the instate schools, I want a better home schedule. Having said that I don't think firing Rahe would be the solve all solution to that. The most important thing Weber can do is get to the dance, and the only way you are going to do that in the Big Sky is by winning the league, something Rahe does. As much as I'd love to have bragging rights by being able to say we beat Utah State in a game no one outside of Logan or Ogden gives a flying feather about. I'd rather be able to say Weber won the Big Sky and is going dancing, something neither BYU or Utah State could say last year.
That is my stance on the subject. Rahe is not a perfect coach, but he wins FAR more than he loses and gets to the dance. I don't care if you agree or don't. As my wise father once told me. "Not everyone agrees with you, but not everyone matters."
WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:WSUfan said:WILDCAT said:baller said:Decent competition -there are only two game this year that Weber was out talented in and should have lost. And at least one of them could have been a victory with good coaching. Name me one game this year where Rahe has not been out coached. But I am not so sure its the losing that is being bitched about. I think it comes from people who are tired of seeing the same ole "bs" year after year with no hope of change.
So it's Rahe's fault that the kids miss so many freethrows including Baker who last year was the go to freethrow shooter? It's Rahe's fault that the kids turn the ball over 20 times?
How about the game against Davis? You know the one Weber won by almost 30?
And I'm calling B.S. On the whole "we don't complain because we lose" crap. Every time this team loses a game, even ones they aren't supposed to, certain individuals (like yourself) take the opportunity to belittle Rahe.
Hell I've even seen you post only the negatives after a win and not mention anything about the positives of the game.
Actually, yes everything that happens during a game, good or bad, is a direct reflection of Rahe. Its his players that are missing free throws and turning the ball over. Same as in life, at work, if things arent done on time and done the way the company wants things done, then my direct boss gets the blame. The leader gets the blame/praise for everything. Maybe its the way Rahe practices, and the plays we run that affect the poor shooting and turnovers. But you do realize everything falls on Rahe's shoulders win or lose?
Are you a relative of Rahe, WILDCAT?
A coach can preach, preach, preach and preach some more about the fundamentals in the game but in the end it falls on the players to be able to finish.
Holy Hells Bells is that the "Rahe haters" only real insult to resort to? That I'm either related to Rahe, work in the administration or am Rahe myself because I defend him?
Do you not see how simple minded and childish that argument sounds?
TROLL!
Right.... I am a troll because I disagree with the direction of the program, in particular Rahe. WILDCAT, you have basically proven a good majority of our opinions on here regarding Rahe. Thats the problem we have with him. He preached well, but when it comes down to it, he cant coach. Thats the difference between a coach and a recruiter. Rahe (preaches)=recruiter: Abegglen=coaches... Its those type of differences that we currently lack. Just admit it WILDCAT, you're okay with just winning "league."
No, you're a troll because you go out of your way to create stupid topics like this one even after discussing it in several other already created topics.
You are a troll because you don't congratulate the team when they do good things like winning the tournament in Florida or when they won the first ever real neutral Big Sky tournament. But are the first to post and create a whole new topic to boot when the team loses a game YOU don't believe they should.
You're a troll cause you sit on here and moan and bawl and complain about what our head coaches do or don't, what our administration does or does not do, you yell and scream for their heads yet what have you done to try to fix it? what have you contributed to help this team rise to the next level? Wine and cry on a fan forum? Yeah really productive.
In the end, You are a troll because you have not given me any reason at all to believe otherwise.
No, I want more than just to win the league, I want a better record against the instate schools, I want a better home schedule. Having said that I don't think firing Rahe would be the solve all solution to that. The most important thing Weber can do is get to the dance, and the only way you are going to do that in the Big Sky is by winning the league, something Rahe does. As much as I'd love to have bragging rights by being able to say we beat Utah State in a game no one outside of Logan or Ogden gives a flying feather about. I'd rather be able to say Weber won the Big Sky and is going dancing, something neither BYU or Utah State could say last year.
That is my stance on the subject. Rahe is not a perfect coach, but he wins FAR more than he loses and gets to the dance. I don't care if you agree or don't. As my wise father once told me. "Not everyone agrees with you, but not everyone matters."
Haha you hypocrite :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
WeberSki said:Rahe is expected to win the conference. He has the most resources, the very best facilities, the best crowds, makes the most money. He's not doing anything above what he should be. There has been Zero signs of improvement in 11 Loong years. If anything he hasn't won enough conference titles given his huge advantages in the conference.
I guess Wildcat thinks coming on to the board & congratulating the team on the beats of NAU, or PSU is in order. Spending money on season tickets & attending games home and some road isn't quite good enough. Don't you dare complain about this program if you don't congratulate the team after wins..... Good Hell Wildcat, worry about you sometimes :wall:
aj, don't try to compare Weber's program or fans to ISU's or Sac's. The only thing Weber has in common with these pathetic programs is that they're all stuck in the same lousy conference. No one in Pokey or Sac want their coaches fired cause no one in those towns cares or expects anything good from their program. We can't hold Weber to the same standard as the rest of the conference.ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
Pretty damn convenient how you left Montana out of this when it was you who brought them up several posts ago mentioning how great their coaches are or were or whatever.SWeberCat02 said:aj, don't try to compare Weber's program or fans to ISU's or Sac's. The only thing Weber has in common with these pathetic programs is that they're all stuck in the same lousy conference. No one in Pokey or Sac want their coaches fired cause no one in those towns cares or expects anything good from their program. We can't hold Weber to the same standard as the rest of the conference.ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
Exactly, UM is the only other conference program worth a damn and I'm sure there are plenty of their fans that are disappointed with this season. But their coach hasn't been in the program for 11+ years without showing any real improvement.ajwildcat said:Pretty damn convenient how you left Montana out of this when it was you who brought them up several posts ago mentioning how great their coaches are or were or whatever.SWeberCat02 said:aj, don't try to compare Weber's program or fans to ISU's or Sac's. The only thing Weber has in common with these pathetic programs is that they're all stuck in the same lousy conference. No one in Pokey or Sac want their coaches fired cause no one in those towns cares or expects anything good from their program. We can't hold Weber to the same standard as the rest of the conference.ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
webergrad02 said:ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
I personally do not want to see Randy fired. I would have liked to see Jerry negotiate a little with Randy's extension. Make more of his salary incentive based and relieve him of the scheduling duties. A no post game excuses clause would have also been great.
I guarantee you that NOT ONE AD in the Big Sky besides Jerry would pay Randy $450,000 per year. Because schools in our league don't have budgets to do so. We don't have the budget to do it, but we hit up donors in the community. AJ and Wildcat, you guys should become one of the boosters that donate $10,000 a year to keep coach.
I don't remember Neil McCarthy being forced out. The only thing I remember is the facilities staff didn't like him smoking his cigars in the DEC.
WILDCAT said:webergrad02 said:ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
I personally do not want to see Randy fired. I would have liked to see Jerry negotiate a little with Randy's extension. Make more of his salary incentive based and relieve him of the scheduling duties. A no post game excuses clause would have also been great.
I guarantee you that NOT ONE AD in the Big Sky besides Jerry would pay Randy $450,000 per year. Because schools in our league don't have budgets to do so. We don't have the budget to do it, but we hit up donors in the community. AJ and Wildcat, you guys should become one of the boosters that donate $10,000 a year to keep coach.
I don't remember Neil McCarthy being forced out. The only thing I remember is the facilities staff didn't like him smoking his cigars in the DEC.
If I had 10,000 to spend I just might
Russ said:Wsu fan sounds pretty harsh,but I have to agree. I'm 67 now, and I've been going to Weber games for 40 + years.I know Webers teams from the past,A through Z. I realized a few years ago the program was not going to excel past mediocrity.
Look Randy is a fine person, I'm sure,and he has a real nice family.I think the administration had a knee jerk reaction when The Cats won the big sky last year,and signed him to a long term contract. Yes,he did recruit Damian,and that was a big feather in his cap.Weber also couldn't win the conference any of the years Damian was here. He couldn't carry the team all alone.Randy never brought in the talent to complement,or give him some help,really.We all know Damian is an all star NBA talent.
I know talented players don't grow on trees,but they're out there.Coach Abegglen knew exactly what it took to play on the big stage.He would work to bring in the types of players that could really make a difference,and it paid off for him.The kind of talent that could beat the North Carolinas,and the Michigan states,at the Big dance.I'm not saying there isn't talent on this years team,because there is.I'm just saying the program doesn't bring excitement to me anymore.When Brigham Young,Utah state and UTah valley,surpass the Cats like they do every year,I won't be surprised.
When the fans don't come out to the Dee center anymore,then that will grab the administrations attention.I remember when every game at the old Swenson gym,and the Dee center was a sellout.You had to move quick to get good seats,if at all.
I hope I'm dead wrong,and the Cats win a lot of games this season,but don't hold your breath. Either coach Rahe isn't a big time coach,or he just lacks the vision that a lot of other coaches have.The excitement is gone,and that makes me sad.
Russ said:The excitement of the basketball season is just not there anymore for me.I don't go to games anymore,and I've been a Weber fan since the old Swenson gym days.
talhadfoursteals said:WILDCAT said:webergrad02 said:ajwildcat said:Man just imagine the uproar on this board if our record was currently 1-6 like Montana's, or ISU's, or even Sac's. Guess how many threads I have found on any of those fan boards wanting their Coaches fired? That would be ZERO. WSU is replacing an NBA quality big guy who did almost everything for Weber last year.
I can guarantee you this much, EVERY AD in the Big Sky would love to hire Rahe away from Weber. We have been damn fortunate to have him here this long.
This all reminds me of when fans wanted Neil McCarthy ran out of town because he was "stuck in his ways" etc... what a HUGE mistake that was.
I personally do not want to see Randy fired. I would have liked to see Jerry negotiate a little with Randy's extension. Make more of his salary incentive based and relieve him of the scheduling duties. A no post game excuses clause would have also been great.
I guarantee you that NOT ONE AD in the Big Sky besides Jerry would pay Randy $450,000 per year. Because schools in our league don't have budgets to do so. We don't have the budget to do it, but we hit up donors in the community. AJ and Wildcat, you guys should become one of the boosters that donate $10,000 a year to keep coach.
I don't remember Neil McCarthy being forced out. The only thing I remember is the facilities staff didn't like him smoking his cigars in the DEC.
If I had 10,000 to spend I just might
:thumb: Me too. But I wouldn't want any of my support to go athletic salaries. I would want to see it go to student athlete scholarships, facilities, or to a student fan association. But you are right 02, no other AD could afford to pay Randy what we pay him. I agree with an incentive based salary. However, I thought that is exactly what Jerry did with this new contract. Randy's base salary decreased some, but with the decrease in base there was an increase in bonuses? No totally sure. I will have to check the release again to double check. I think the base is 350K now with a chance at getting up to 415 with bonuses.
A huge problem is that 10 years ago the Weber State job was a higher profile job than it is now. Why is that? Is that totally Randy's fault or is it more athletics, the conferences, or the university? Can the blame be spread around more? Possibly...
