Recruiting need #1 - Offensive line

[Beardown]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

 

[DaBears11]

I partially agree with you, but I don't think the O-line is as bad as you obviously do. They definitely need a coach. They are not progressing at the same rate as the rest of the team so their short comings are more apparent. But that isn't really what the issue was with the pressure yesterday.

On most of the plays where Lobato was rushed/sacked/forced out of the pocket etc.. ND was bringing at least one and most of the time two extra guys. Seemed like mostly on the left side, I'm guessing with the hope of blindsiding and forcing a fumble (or two). I'm not saying there were no moments where a D-lineman beat his man and got in to Lobato, but the huge plays with tons of pressure were caused by heavy bliztzing. Go back and watch a few plays and tell me I'm wrong here.

ND has obviously been watching film and they knew Lobato is young and still unsure of himself. By bringing the pressure, they gambled, correctly it seems, that they could rattle him, and since we did not respond with any kind of audible or check down to a quick slant or screen, ND was never made to pay for leaving the mid-field so vacant.

Yeah, the line needs work, and they won't be the best line in the conference, but terrible? I don't know about that.

 

[#1bearsfan]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

The fact remains that the o-line blocked well enough to take the lead in the game. You can't blame the o-line for not having an o-line coach, when they come off the field, to tell them what adjustments to make to pick up the myriad of blitzes they faced all day. You can't blame the o-line for a missed extra point that was the difference in the game (had to go for 2 point conversion twice).
What you can blame is an inept coach who doesn't tell his kicker to squib the kickoff or kick it out of bounds with 3:45 remaining in the game to guard against a return to the Bear's 39 yd. line and the potential winning field goal. This was an exact replica of a late game coaching mistake against Lindenwood. You would think that a head coach would learn from his mistakes.

 

[Bearsfan24]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

The fact remains that the o-line blocked well enough to take the lead in the game. You can't blame the o-line for not having an o-line coach, when they come off the field, to tell them what adjustments to make to pick up the myriad of blitzes they faced all day. You can't blame the o-line for a missed extra point that was the difference in the game (had to go for 2 point conversion twice).
What you can blame is an inept coach who doesn't tell his kicker to squib the kickoff or kick it out of bounds with 3:45 remaining in the game to guard against a return to the Bear's 39 yd. line and the potential winning field goal. This was an exact replica of a late game coaching mistake against Lindenwood. You would think that a head coach would learn from his mistakes.

I don't think the coach had anything to do with that guy returning it almost all the way. What if he did squib it and still returned it for what he did? It makes no difference.Talk about inept, kick it out of bounce on a kick off?? Really?? It was a special teams let down. They lost this game because of the 4+ turnovers, and some bad breaks, like when UNC blocked the punt and had a chance to return it but tripped up over his own guy. He would've scored.

 

[#1bearsfan]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

The fact remains that the o-line blocked well enough to take the lead in the game. You can't blame the o-line for not having an o-line coach, when they come off the field, to tell them what adjustments to make to pick up the myriad of blitzes they faced all day. You can't blame the o-line for a missed extra point that was the difference in the game (had to go for 2 point conversion twice).
What you can blame is an inept coach who doesn't tell his kicker to squib the kickoff or kick it out of bounds with 3:45 remaining in the game to guard against a return to the Bear's 39 yd. line and the potential winning field goal. This was an exact replica of a late game coaching mistake against Lindenwood. You would think that a head coach would learn from his mistakes.

I don't think the coach had anything to do with that guy returning it almost all the way. What if he did squib it and still returned it for what he did? It makes no difference.Talk about inept, kick it out of bounce on a kick off?? Really?? It was a special teams let down. They lost this game because of the 4+ turnovers, and some bad breaks, like when UNC blocked the punt and had a chance to return it but tripped up over his own guy. He would've scored.

Are you f-ing kidding me Bearsfan24? Do you know anything about football strategy? How many good coaches do you think would even take the chance that the kick would be returned past mid-field? I would say that 90% of the head coaches out there would at least squib the ball on the kickoff and the other 10% would kick it out of bounds knowing that you limit the offense to starting from their own 40. What you're trying to do is guard against a special teams letdown. In this case, with ND only making about 5 yards on the ensuing possession, the potential tying field goal would have been about 72 yards. This was clearly a coaching mistake that cost this team the win.
These coaches are not putting the team in a position to win games. Instead of coming out and firing the ball down-field in the first half, they wait until the 3rd quarter to start airing it out when clearly our WR's could have been running past ND's DB's all day. About the only thing Lobato has is a cannon for an arm - if the coaches were any good they'd start going long from the get go. Another thing that bothers me about the offense that Collins runs is when they're in short yardage and on the goal line he's still lining up in shotgun (or pistol) with his QB and RB approx. 3-5 yards behind the line. Get under center! The guy is 6' 5", 220 lbs.

 

[Bearsfan24]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

The fact remains that the o-line blocked well enough to take the lead in the game. You can't blame the o-line for not having an o-line coach, when they come off the field, to tell them what adjustments to make to pick up the myriad of blitzes they faced all day. You can't blame the o-line for a missed extra point that was the difference in the game (had to go for 2 point conversion twice).
What you can blame is an inept coach who doesn't tell his kicker to squib the kickoff or kick it out of bounds with 3:45 remaining in the game to guard against a return to the Bear's 39 yd. line and the potential winning field goal. This was an exact replica of a late game coaching mistake against Lindenwood. You would think that a head coach would learn from his mistakes.

I don't think the coach had anything to do with that guy returning it almost all the way. What if he did squib it and still returned it for what he did? It makes no difference.Talk about inept, kick it out of bounce on a kick off?? Really?? It was a special teams let down. They lost this game because of the 4+ turnovers, and some bad breaks, like when UNC blocked the punt and had a chance to return it but tripped up over his own guy. He would've scored.

Are you f-ing kidding me Bearsfan24? Do you know anything about football strategy? How many good coaches do you think would even take the chance that the kick would be returned past mid-field? I would say that 90% of the head coaches out there would at least squib the ball on the kickoff and the other 10% would kick it out of bounds knowing that you limit the offense to starting from their own 40. What you're trying to do is guard against a special teams letdown. In this case, with ND only making about 5 yards on the ensuing possession, the potential tying field goal would have been about 72 yards. This was clearly a coaching mistake that cost this team the win.
These coaches are not putting the team in a position to win games. Instead of coming out and firing the ball down-field in the first half, they wait until the 3rd quarter to start airing it out when clearly our WR's could have been running past ND's DB's all day. About the only thing Lobato has is a cannon for an arm - if the coaches were any good they'd start going long from the get go. Another thing that bothers me about the offense that Collins runs is when they're in short yardage and on the goal line he's still lining up in shotgun (or pistol) with his QB and RB approx. 3-5 yards behind the line. Get under center! The guy is 6' 5", 220 lbs.

LOL

You're asking me if I know anything about football strategy, yet you're saying that you would kick the ball out of bounce on the kick-off?! :rofl: Lets see about 0% head coaches would do that, and a squib kick doesn't automatically prevent a decent kick off return. Personally I've never liked the squib kick, I think it's a risk in itself. Because what if one of the up man get and return it for 20 yards? You're still sittin a non-favorable field position. Lol 90% more like 40-50%,

 

[#1bearsfan]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

The fact remains that the o-line blocked well enough to take the lead in the game. You can't blame the o-line for not having an o-line coach, when they come off the field, to tell them what adjustments to make to pick up the myriad of blitzes they faced all day. You can't blame the o-line for a missed extra point that was the difference in the game (had to go for 2 point conversion twice).
What you can blame is an inept coach who doesn't tell his kicker to squib the kickoff or kick it out of bounds with 3:45 remaining in the game to guard against a return to the Bear's 39 yd. line and the potential winning field goal. This was an exact replica of a late game coaching mistake against Lindenwood. You would think that a head coach would learn from his mistakes.

I don't think the coach had anything to do with that guy returning it almost all the way. What if he did squib it and still returned it for what he did? It makes no difference.Talk about inept, kick it out of bounce on a kick off?? Really?? It was a special teams let down. They lost this game because of the 4+ turnovers, and some bad breaks, like when UNC blocked the punt and had a chance to return it but tripped up over his own guy. He would've scored.

Are you f-ing kidding me Bearsfan24? Do you know anything about football strategy? How many good coaches do you think would even take the chance that the kick would be returned past mid-field? I would say that 90% of the head coaches out there would at least squib the ball on the kickoff and the other 10% would kick it out of bounds knowing that you limit the offense to starting from their own 40. What you're trying to do is guard against a special teams letdown. In this case, with ND only making about 5 yards on the ensuing possession, the potential tying field goal would have been about 72 yards. This was clearly a coaching mistake that cost this team the win.
These coaches are not putting the team in a position to win games. Instead of coming out and firing the ball down-field in the first half, they wait until the 3rd quarter to start airing it out when clearly our WR's could have been running past ND's DB's all day. About the only thing Lobato has is a cannon for an arm - if the coaches were any good they'd start going long from the get go. Another thing that bothers me about the offense that Collins runs is when they're in short yardage and on the goal line he's still lining up in shotgun (or pistol) with his QB and RB approx. 3-5 yards behind the line. Get under center! The guy is 6' 5", 220 lbs.

LOL

You're asking me if I know anything about football strategy, yet you're saying that you would kick the ball out of bounce on the kick-off?! :rofl: Lets see about 0% head coaches would do that, and a squib kick doesn't automatically prevent a decent kick off return. Personally I've never liked the squib kick, I think it's a risk in itself. Because what if one of the up man get and return it for 20 yards? You're still sittin a non-favorable field position. Lol 90% more like 40-50%,

It's not "out of bounce" dimwit - it's out of bounds. That's the second time you've written "out of bounce". Maybe you did play football and were hit in the head too many times. Let me ask you a question. If Collins had instructed his kicker to kick the ball out of bounds and ND got the ball on their 40, do you think they would have won the game having only made about 5 yards on what is likely their last possession? UNC got the ball back with approx. 1:30 on the clock; you take a knee three times or less and the game is over. Bears Win!

 

[uncfootballrules]

I will agree and disagree with you both here. Earnest made what I think are three big coaching mistakes in the game.

Kicking it deep after he took the lead was not one of them. No coach in their right mind kicks out of bounds so put that to rest. You can argue the squib or not but at the end of the day kicking it deep does not put you in a bad position. Players are expected to cover the kick, period.

IMO, the three big errors (and hopefully Earnest learns from them) were.
1. Going for two so early in the game. You should never chase the two point conversion so early. You should never go for 2 until at least the fourth quarter. There is too much game left before then so you just get every point you can. If they would have kicked the extra points on the last two TD drives we would have been in OT.
2. Completely abandoning the run game. Earnest needs to reign in his OC who is too pass happy. They had some success running the ball mid game but completely abandoned it in the second half. Running the ball is necessary for countless reasons; keeping the other team honest to slow down the pass rush, being able to get yourself in manageable down and distance situations, imposing your will on another team. I can go on for a long time on this one. Also, if you are undermanned it helps take the air out of the ball a little which is just fine to do (anyone seen a service academy play lately?).
3. Being in shotgun on 4th and a foot with a minute left. Lobato is big. Get under center and sneak for the first down. That was a ridiculous call to try to throw and risk all the things that can go wrong in a pass play when all you need is a foot .

 

[Bearsfan24]

Because they're horrible. Lobato didn't have much time at all to throw. He fumbled what 3 times because the line couldn't block? He does need to protect the ball better, much better. HOWEVER, he had pressure all day. We need to hire an offensive line coach, asap too.

BTW, did you guys see the melt-down Collins had with Lobato? Coach was dropping the F-bomb and everything. Lobato didn't recover the fumble and Collins was pissed as hell. He needs to be careful because he doesn't allow that kind of language from the players, but it's okay for him to use it?

The fact remains that the o-line blocked well enough to take the lead in the game. You can't blame the o-line for not having an o-line coach, when they come off the field, to tell them what adjustments to make to pick up the myriad of blitzes they faced all day. You can't blame the o-line for a missed extra point that was the difference in the game (had to go for 2 point conversion twice).
What you can blame is an inept coach who doesn't tell his kicker to squib the kickoff or kick it out of bounds with 3:45 remaining in the game to guard against a return to the Bear's 39 yd. line and the potential winning field goal. This was an exact replica of a late game coaching mistake against Lindenwood. You would think that a head coach would learn from his mistakes.

I don't think the coach had anything to do with that guy returning it almost all the way. What if he did squib it and still returned it for what he did? It makes no difference.Talk about inept, kick it out of bounce on a kick off?? Really?? It was a special teams let down. They lost this game because of the 4+ turnovers, and some bad breaks, like when UNC blocked the punt and had a chance to return it but tripped up over his own guy. He would've scored.

Are you f-ing kidding me Bearsfan24? Do you know anything about football strategy? How many good coaches do you think would even take the chance that the kick would be returned past mid-field? I would say that 90% of the head coaches out there would at least squib the ball on the kickoff and the other 10% would kick it out of bounds knowing that you limit the offense to starting from their own 40. What you're trying to do is guard against a special teams letdown. In this case, with ND only making about 5 yards on the ensuing possession, the potential tying field goal would have been about 72 yards. This was clearly a coaching mistake that cost this team the win.
These coaches are not putting the team in a position to win games. Instead of coming out and firing the ball down-field in the first half, they wait until the 3rd quarter to start airing it out when clearly our WR's could have been running past ND's DB's all day. About the only thing Lobato has is a cannon for an arm - if the coaches were any good they'd start going long from the get go. Another thing that bothers me about the offense that Collins runs is when they're in short yardage and on the goal line he's still lining up in shotgun (or pistol) with his QB and RB approx. 3-5 yards behind the line. Get under center! The guy is 6' 5", 220 lbs.

LOL

You're asking me if I know anything about football strategy, yet you're saying that you would kick the ball out of bounce on the kick-off?! :rofl: Lets see about 0% head coaches would do that, and a squib kick doesn't automatically prevent a decent kick off return. Personally I've never liked the squib kick, I think it's a risk in itself. Because what if one of the up man get and return it for 20 yards? You're still sittin a non-favorable field position. Lol 90% more like 40-50%,

It's not "out of bounce" dimwit - it's out of bounds. That's the second time you've written "out of bounce". Maybe you did play football and were hit in the head too many times. Let me ask you a question. If Collins had instructed his kicker to kick the ball out of bounds and ND got the ball on their 40, do you think they would have won the game having only made about 5 yards on what is likely their last possession? UNC got the ball back with approx. 1:30 on the clock; you take a knee three times or less and the game is over. Bears Win!

My bad brah, OUT OF BOUNDS. Let me ask you this then, why would you shorten the field for UND by kicking it out of bounds? You want UND to have to drive most of the field to beat you.

I will agree and disagree with you both here. Earnest made what I think are three big coaching mistakes in the game.

Kicking it deep after he took the lead was not one of them. No coach in their right mind kicks out of bounds so put that to rest. You can argue the squib or not but at the end of the day kicking it deep does not put you in a bad position. Players are expected to cover the kick, period.

IMO, the three big errors (and hopefully Earnest learns from them) were.
1. Going for two so early in the game. You should never chase the two point conversion so early. You should never go for 2 until at least the fourth quarter. There is too much game left before then so you just get every point you can. If they would have kicked the extra points on the last two TD drives we would have been in OT.
2. Completely abandoning the run game. Earnest needs to reign in his OC who is too pass happy. They had some success running the ball mid game but completely abandoned it in the second half. Running the ball is necessary for countless reasons; keeping the other team honest to slow down the pass rush, being able to get yourself in manageable down and distance situations, imposing your will on another team. I can go on for a long time on this one. Also, if you are undermanned it helps take the air out of the ball a little which is just fine to do (anyone seen a service academy play lately?).
3. Being in shotgun on 4th and a foot with a minute left. Lobato is big. Get under center and sneak for the first down. That was a ridiculous call to try to throw and risk all the things that can go wrong in a pass play when all you need is a foot .

I think they went away from the running game because, and I as well as others have said that UNC just doesn't have much of a running game. Hildreth would have a good run, but then get stuff the next few attempts. The run game has been the worst part of this team all year.

Yeah I agree with not running the ball on the 4th and short at the end of the game. THAT right there a coaching mistake.

 

[Beardown]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

 

[Bearsfan24]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

I doubt we would be able to execute that offense either. We can barely run the ball now, what makes you think we could play smash mouth football?

 

[#1bearsfan]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

I agree with you Bd, I liked Peterson's offense too. Most of you on this board hated Downing as the head coach but he did surround himself with a pretty good staff that appeared to be turning the corner with this team. Peterson was a decent/good OC, Deti was a good DC and Bedell was a good/very good o-line coach. I don't think anyone would argue that we'd take these assistant coaches over anybody that has these positions now. This team was on the rise in the BS but now they're starting over from the bottom and a lot of it has to do with coaching.
Another thing about this spread offense; you need a QB who's a threat to run as well as pass, you need a running back who hits holes fast, makes defenders miss and who can get to the edge and turn it up field.
Several of you maintain that we do not have the "horses" on either side of the line. I did some research and this is what I found. Eastern Washington's starting o-line when they played UNC was LT 6'4" 280 (3L), LG 6'1" 275 (SQ), C 6'2" 245 (1L), RG 6'4" 295 (1L), RT 6'6" 295 (2L) and they beat UNC 48 - 27. What they did have was a great QB and an excellent head coach. They also appear to have a lot of support (financially) from their alums; something that's sorely lacking here.

 

[Beardown]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

I agree with you Bd, I liked Peterson's offense too. Most of you on this board hated Downing as the head coach but he did surround himself with a pretty good staff that appeared to be turning the corner with this team. Peterson was a decent/good OC, Deti was a good DC and Bedell was a good/very good o-line coach. I don't think anyone would argue that we'd take these assistant coaches over anybody that has these positions now. This team was on the rise in the BS but now they're starting over from the bottom and a lot of it has to do with coaching.
Another thing about this spread offense; you need a QB who's a threat to run as well as pass, you need a running back who hits holes fast, makes defenders miss and who can get to the edge and turn it up field.
Several of you maintain that we do not have the "horses" on either side of the line. I did some research and this is what I found. Eastern Washington's starting o-line when they played UNC was LT 6'4" 280 (3L), LG 6'1" 275 (SQ), C 6'2" 245 (1L), RG 6'4" 295 (1L), RT 6'6" 295 (2L) and they beat UNC 48 - 27. What they did have was a great QB and an excellent head coach. They also appear to have a lot of support (financially) from their alums; something that's sorely lacking here.

No doubt, our previous assistant coaches were better. I do like the hire of Jon Boyer though. And Bearsfan24 I think we would have run the ball better because last season we ran for more yards than ever before. Granted we had Andre Harris, but I think we would have done just fine with Hildreth in Peterson's offense. I was fine with Downing being let go, but I was hoping and praying who ever was hired would have kept most of the staff.
We have to get an offensive line coach. Just look at the sidelines. They're not getting coached up during games. That's going to be crucial for us to move forward and improve.
As far as alumni support, I don't think they have more than us. Take a look at the College athletic database I posted earlier. I think we're ahead of EW. PS- Yes, I checked. Our alumni and booster clubs give more than double the amount of EWU, according to USA Today. I'll post the link on another thread.

 

[Beardown]

What was it? Five sacks tonight against NAU? Pathetic. Also, you can always count on either Big Lee or Candler making crucial false starts. These guys are probably doing the best they can without a real line coach, but you would think adjustments would be made. Just horrible. hno: hno: hno: hno:

 

[vetteman]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

I agree with you Bd, I liked Peterson's offense too. Most of you on this board hated Downing as the head coach but he did surround himself with a pretty good staff that appeared to be turning the corner with this team. Peterson was a decent/good OC, Deti was a good DC and Bedell was a good/very good o-line coach. I don't think anyone would argue that we'd take these assistant coaches over anybody that has these positions now. This team was on the rise in the BS but now they're starting over from the bottom and a lot of it has to do with coaching.
Another thing about this spread offense; you need a QB who's a threat to run as well as pass, you need a running back who hits holes fast, makes defenders miss and who can get to the edge and turn it up field.
Several of you maintain that we do not have the "horses" on either side of the line. I did some research and this is what I found. Eastern Washington's starting o-line when they played UNC was LT 6'4" 280 (3L), LG 6'1" 275 (SQ), C 6'2" 245 (1L), RG 6'4" 295 (1L), RT 6'6" 295 (2L) and they beat UNC 48 - 27. What they did have was a great QB and an excellent head coach. They also appear to have a lot of support (financially) from their alums; something that's sorely lacking here.

No doubt, our previous assistant coaches were better. I do like the hire of Jon Boyer though. And Bearsfan24 I think we would have run the ball better because last season we ran for more yards than ever before. Granted we had Andre Harris, but I think we would have done just fine with Hildreth in Peterson's offense. I was fine with Downing being let go, but I was hoping and praying who ever was hired would have kept most of the staff.
We have to get an offensive line coach. Just look at the sidelines. They're not getting coached up during games. That's going to be crucial for us to move forward and improve.
As far as alumni support, I don't think they have more than us. Take a look at the College athletic database I posted earlier. I think we're ahead of EW. PS- Yes, I checked. Our alumni and booster clubs give more than double the amount of EWU, according to USA Today. I'll post the link on another thread.

Not sure what the database says, but let me assure you there is much more fan support and alumi support out at Eastern Washington. Mind you the red field is named after Michael Roos starting OT Tennessee Titans.

As someone who attended quite a few games at EWU, I only wish that UNC could generate that kind of support around town and with their student body.

Most days when we come to Greeley for a game, it is very difficult to believe that the town is hosting a Div.1 football game. You see no support outside of campus.

 

[Beardown]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

I agree with you Bd, I liked Peterson's offense too. Most of you on this board hated Downing as the head coach but he did surround himself with a pretty good staff that appeared to be turning the corner with this team. Peterson was a decent/good OC, Deti was a good DC and Bedell was a good/very good o-line coach. I don't think anyone would argue that we'd take these assistant coaches over anybody that has these positions now. This team was on the rise in the BS but now they're starting over from the bottom and a lot of it has to do with coaching.
Another thing about this spread offense; you need a QB who's a threat to run as well as pass, you need a running back who hits holes fast, makes defenders miss and who can get to the edge and turn it up field.
Several of you maintain that we do not have the "horses" on either side of the line. I did some research and this is what I found. Eastern Washington's starting o-line when they played UNC was LT 6'4" 280 (3L), LG 6'1" 275 (SQ), C 6'2" 245 (1L), RG 6'4" 295 (1L), RT 6'6" 295 (2L) and they beat UNC 48 - 27. What they did have was a great QB and an excellent head coach. They also appear to have a lot of support (financially) from their alums; something that's sorely lacking here.

No doubt, our previous assistant coaches were better. I do like the hire of Jon Boyer though. And Bearsfan24 I think we would have run the ball better because last season we ran for more yards than ever before. Granted we had Andre Harris, but I think we would have done just fine with Hildreth in Peterson's offense. I was fine with Downing being let go, but I was hoping and praying who ever was hired would have kept most of the staff.
We have to get an offensive line coach. Just look at the sidelines. They're not getting coached up during games. That's going to be crucial for us to move forward and improve.
As far as alumni support, I don't think they have more than us. Take a look at the College athletic database I posted earlier. I think we're ahead of EW. PS- Yes, I checked. Our alumni and booster clubs give more than double the amount of EWU, according to USA Today. I'll post the link on another thread.

Not sure what the database says, but let me assure you there is much more fan support and alumi support out at Eastern Washington. Mind you the red field is named after Michael Roos starting OT Tennessee Titans.

As someone who attended quite a few games at EWU, I only wish that UNC could generate that kind of support around town and with their student body.

Most days when we come to Greeley for a game, it is very difficult to believe that the town is hosting a Div.1 football game. You see no support outside of campus.

Vett - It's not even close. UNC has more than double the amount of contributions and more ticket sales than Eastern Washington and about half of the Big Sky. Eastern has been a consistent winner and they probably do get more people to their football games. Greeley will support this team, it just needs something to cheer about. Just look at the basketball team.

This is from USA Today. This is from the 09-10 school years and includes all sports. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ncaa-finances.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[bear_dad]

beardown...very interesting numbers in that db. thanks for posting the link.

 

[Beardown]

beardown...very interesting numbers in that db. thanks for posting the link.

No problem! If you compare UNC with other Big Sky teams we aren't doing too bad. Better than a lot of schools in Tix revenue, donor contribution, institutional support, camp revenue, etc.

 

[Bearsfan24]

The running game won't be here as long as Armour is the OC. He's said since day one we will be 60% passing and 40% running.

I see no adjustment from Armour at half-time. ND was sending more guys after Lobato then we could block. So, why not send in an extra blocker? Put in Andrew Downing and I bet we reduce half those sacks. The guy can block! USE HIM!

Man, watching Tulsa tonight on TV made me wish back for the Peterson offense. I know I sound like a broken record. I miss the the i-formation, fullback and good old smash-mouth football. We're last in the conference in 3rd down conversions. You don't think having a QB, Full Back and Running back wouldn't all lined up wouldn't help that situation? Just pound the rock!!! I hate the spread offense. Have I mentioned that before???? :lol:

I agree with you Bd, I liked Peterson's offense too. Most of you on this board hated Downing as the head coach but he did surround himself with a pretty good staff that appeared to be turning the corner with this team. Peterson was a decent/good OC, Deti was a good DC and Bedell was a good/very good o-line coach. I don't think anyone would argue that we'd take these assistant coaches over anybody that has these positions now. This team was on the rise in the BS but now they're starting over from the bottom and a lot of it has to do with coaching.
Another thing about this spread offense; you need a QB who's a threat to run as well as pass, you need a running back who hits holes fast, makes defenders miss and who can get to the edge and turn it up field.
Several of you maintain that we do not have the "horses" on either side of the line. I did some research and this is what I found. Eastern Washington's starting o-line when they played UNC was LT 6'4" 280 (3L), LG 6'1" 275 (SQ), C 6'2" 245 (1L), RG 6'4" 295 (1L), RT 6'6" 295 (2L) and they beat UNC 48 - 27. What they did have was a great QB and an excellent head coach. They also appear to have a lot of support (financially) from their alums; something that's sorely lacking here.

No doubt, our previous assistant coaches were better. I do like the hire of Jon Boyer though. And Bearsfan24 I think we would have run the ball better because last season we ran for more yards than ever before. Granted we had Andre Harris, but I think we would have done just fine with Hildreth in Peterson's offense. I was fine with Downing being let go, but I was hoping and praying who ever was hired would have kept most of the staff.
We have to get an offensive line coach. Just look at the sidelines. They're not getting coached up during games. That's going to be crucial for us to move forward and improve.
As far as alumni support, I don't think they have more than us. Take a look at the College athletic database I posted earlier. I think we're ahead of EW. PS- Yes, I checked. Our alumni and booster clubs give more than double the amount of EWU, according to USA Today. I'll post the link on another thread.

Not sure what the database says, but let me assure you there is much more fan support and alumi support out at Eastern Washington. Mind you the red field is named after Michael Roos starting OT Tennessee Titans.

As someone who attended quite a few games at EWU, I only wish that UNC could generate that kind of support around town and with their student body.

Most days when we come to Greeley for a game, it is very difficult to believe that the town is hosting a Div.1 football game. You see no support outside of campus.

That's not hard to do when the population of the town in only 10,000 people.

 

[townbear]

The population of Greeley is 97,000.