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Remedies for Hurting Hornets

TheHornetReport

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As I would looking at all the threads, its apparent that we don't always agree on things, but two things we share is that we're passionate about Hornet football and we want it to continue to grow and establish itself [Hornets] as Big Sky Championship contenders and a GREAT football program that is attractive; but not limited to, athletes, students and fans. However, as I said in the beginning, we don't always agree on how or what needs to be done to get there. Right now, one can say the program does look promising, but one could also be justified in saying that the program is stagnant. In any case, I want to know what you guys (Hornet fans, Big Sky Fans, Whoever...) think needs to be done to, if not reach the goal of becoming a prominent or championship program, at least begin to make significant progress towards attaining it. New coaches, new players, depth chart revisions, Staff revisions, the building of the new stadium to boost morale, the fan base, the athletic director...Anything. After a few games I have come up with a couple of issues that I believe need to be addressed:


Recruiting: I believe this is one of the main reasons why the Hornets have suffered over the last few years. I don't know who makes the final decisions on who is supposed to be brought in, but I know that all coaches take part in recruiting. I'm from Los Angeles and something I always here from my natives is that the Central Valley (Bakersfield, Fresno, Clovis etc.) along with Sacramento are known for producing great football players out of High School. I also hear that there are GREAT football schools out here that produce many great talents such as Grant High, Jesuit High and Laguna Creek. My question is thus: "Why can't we get our hand in the cookie jar?" I was looking at our roster and although there are a significant amount of Sacramento natives; I think there should be more if the talent is as good as it is. Do we even spend most of our time recruiting out of Sacramento? I look at the roster and I see people from LA, San Francisco, Oakland and San Francisco. We can't expect to get any big-time prospects out of these areas. They all go to PAC-10 schools; USC, UCLA, Cal etc. I think we should take advantage of getting athletes out of Sacramento because I think we have a better chance of getting good prospects who want to go to college and play football, but want to stay close to home. I really get bothered when I hear that a player from Sacramento is playing at Berkeley or Colorado St. Although the coaches are from different areas and they try to recruit from those areas because they are familiar with it; I believe our most of our recruits should come out of this city since it is so fluid with football players.

Offensive Line: This is another glaring problem I see with the Hornets. It seems like any defense can get penetration consistently against our O-Line and I didn't understand it so it really bothered me. Then I thought back to the teams we played and looked at their offensive lines. They are huge! All of them are at least 315 lbs and 6 ft tall. No wonder we barely get penetration or pressure on QBs We only have 4 300 lb players on the roster and I'm not even sure if any of them play. In any case, the defense is already in the backfield by the time Jason finishes his drop back. I think that's why we run those "Miracle Screens" (That's what I call them and I absolutely hate them. Probably because we do it so much) so much because we can't rely on the O-LIne to hold a block. Granted we are doing well in the rushing column, but we absolutely SUCK in passing as we are tied in last place for giving up the most sacks. And like I said, this has been a problem for a while. I remember when I was at school and I would run into the football players. They would tell me that they were linemen when they were the size of a linebacker. I guess you can say that this also goes along with my "recruiting rant", but we need some size on the Offensive Line or we'll always be giving up sacks. I think the Defensive Tackles could be heavier as well so they can actually make holes for Cyrus and Mike to run through when we send pressure, but I think it's MUCH more of a problem offensively.


I apologize for the long post, but I just wanted to get it started. What do you think?
 
The Broad Center is definitely helping in the recruiting game now, especially with the local recruits, which is going to pay enormous dividends with this upcoming signing class....you watch. Also agree with you on the OL guys. I think Jon O. should be moved from DL coach to OL coach next year. He was a Hammerhead and he can bring back the Hammerhead tradition....I know that HHD would definitely concur!!
 
It's hard to get your hand in the cookie jar when it looks soiled. My son played JC ball in the Sac valley and he told me; "Sac has a bad reputation among JC players who have left to join the Hornet program".
These were all players from the recent past under a different coach. It will take a year or two for that to change. Most great coaches turn their programs around within three years. If he recruits well this year Marshall should have it turned around next year. I thought he was going to do it this year but injuries really hurt our performance. I've talked to many people and they all say we have the right coach to get the job done.
Go Hornets!
 
I agree that we have the right head coach, but there is some (probably more than some) question regarding the position coaches. The O line needs someone to coach them on how to protect, move, slide, whatever you want to call it. There are good coaches out there from this area that could do wonders for local recruiting,too.

The D backs are young, but that's where a talented coach can help. I was somewhat concerned about the quaterback play, too. Jason has got to look at the other receivers and not just Washington. Too many times receivers were open, but never got a look.
 
Our defense has disappeared.

Move Baiz to Dline/recruiting, Jon O. to OL and hire a new DC. We have produced some good individual players but never seem to get over the hump as a unit. We need a dynamic aggressive flexing defense ala. Cal Poly and davis.

Is Baiz the curse? He has been here forever and is a direct link to the nightmare that is Hornet's football, he must be the reason the Hornets have been cursed in football glory?

Offensive playcalling has got to change. This could be a result of the inability to pass block, but why don't we use our TE's more? Or zone routes that are 10-15 yds. long. We either run off tackle or throw a 45 yd. pass to Washington.

Who is in charge of long snapper's? Watching that cannonball sail over Smith's head was almost comical. This happens WAY too much. Our KO return's have as much energy as a shuffleboard reunion. I'd swear whoever is running the ball back runs directly for a pile of bodies in the middle of the field. Get outside.
 
Some great points here...

I would agree that our D-line is undersized and inexperienced. Our DBs show flashes, but ultimately are inexperienced as well.

Great comment on the kick returns. They seem soooo lackluster and I don't think we've has a single big return this year on kicks or punts.

The O-line has taken a step back IMO as compared to last year (when considering the extra year under their belts).

Smith does tend to lock in on Tony Washington a little too much and tries to force in a couple balls.

We average 5 WR screens a game, wtf?
 
Here's MY remedy:

1. Name Baiz DC/LBer coach.
2. Move Jonny O to Asst. Hammerhead coach.
3. Get OC/Hammerhead Coach from UCLA (You know who).
4. Hire John Fassel from Raiders as Special Teams Coord/QBs Coach/Asst. HC. (He already has head coaching experience.)

That, plus some decent recruiting, should fix what problems we have left.
 
Super Hornet said:
Here's MY remedy:

1. Name Baiz DC/LBer coach.
2. Move Jonny O to Asst. Hammerhead coach.
3. Get OC/Hammerhead Coach from UCLA (You know who).
4. Hire John Fassel from Raiders as Special Teams Coord/QBs Coach/Asst. HC. (He already has head coaching experience.)

That, plus some decent recruiting, should fix what problems we have left.

I am proud of you SH, no Volek, Tisdel or Danny White comment.
 
Great post Hornet Homer. We need many remedies. Head ccoach is only as good as his assistants; head coach is like a business man , surround yourself with good people. Homer, you said we need 300 pound linemen, that would great, but the one thing I notice is that our opponents look like they live in the weight room were as our linemen and our team as a whole do not appear to lift as much as the other teams. Homer, football is about leverage. L have never played a team sport(I love Golf),but my son who has played college football says 90% of frosh are not ready for this level of play for many resons. He says that UCDavis redshirts all frosh. If thats the case,its working for them as they seem to be winning again. I keep reading the same excuse, injuries, injuries, and injuries. Thats football, the other teams suffer injuries and they just keep on playing. Homer you mentioned recruiting. I would think the best recruiters would be the players on the roster. Kids do not lie. If a player has a great experience in a program he will ssell the program. Bad experience, he can kill your program.(Got this from my son). Beat EWU. Go Hornets
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
The Broad Center is definitely helping in the recruiting game now, especially with the local recruits, which is going to pay enormous dividends with this upcoming signing class....you watch. Also agree with you on the OL guys. I think Jon O. should be moved from DL coach to OL coach next year. He was a Hammerhead and he can bring back the Hammerhead tradition....I know that HHD would definitely concur!!

I totally agree with you regarding the Broad Center. Your school has to look attractive to get recruits to attend as well. So although all my tuition money went towards "Destination 2010" and I never got to enjoy it for myself, hopefully it adds more incentive for recruits to commit.

mark dyba said:
It's hard to get your hand in the cookie jar when it looks soiled. My son played JC ball in the Sac valley and he told me; "Sac has a bad reputation among JC players who have left to join the Hornet program". These were all players from the recent past under a different coach. It will take a year or two for that to change. Most great coaches turn their programs around within three years. If he recruits well this year Marshall should have it turned around next year. I thought he was going to do it this year but injuries really hurt our performance. I've talked to many people and they all say we have the right coach to get the job done. Go Hornets!

Good point. I don't necessarily know what it is, but I've also heard this about JC players coming to Sac State whether they don't get the playing time they thought they would receive, or if they have difficulty integrating themselves into the program.

Im glad you brought up the point about Sperbeck. He only had 3 wins last year and is currently tied with his wins for this season. Do you think that his job could be in jeopardy if the Hornets can't turn it into a "winning season" this year? Some of my friends do; however I believe the contrary. Like you've said, it seems that there are alot of Sperbeck fans this year which makes me wonder? How bad of a job did Moose do? Someone fill me in.

ChiCity said:
I agree that we have the right head coach, but there is some (probably more than some) question regarding the position coaches. The O line needs someone to coach them on how to protect, move, slide, whatever you want to call it. There are good coaches out there from this area that could do wonders for local recruiting,too.

The D backs are young, but that's where a talented coach can help. I was somewhat concerned about the quaterback play, too. Jason has got to look at the other receivers and not just Washington. Too many times receivers were open, but never got a look.

A new O line coach could be that answer as well. WE NEED PROTECTION. We won't be able to utilize ALL of our weapons unless we get time. However, I am glad someone brought this up because I thought I was the only one who believed it. Jason DOES key in on Tony entirely too much. This isn't Madden. You can't just rely on one receiver. Like I said in the thread "Just Wondering", all a team has to do is shut Tony down (Like MSU did. There were times when he was Triple-Covered!!) and there chances of victory increase ten-fold. Naturally, you always look for your playmakers, but you should ALSO use them as decoys that allows the other players to get open (You guys already know what player I'm a fan boy/mark for so there is no need to say who it is).

Green Cookie Monster said:
Our defense has disappeared.

Move Baiz to Dline/recruiting, Jon O. to OL and hire a new DC. We have produced some good individual players but never seem to get over the hump as a unit. We need a dynamic aggressive flexing defense ala. Cal Poly and davis.

Is Baiz the curse? He has been here forever and is a direct link to the nightmare that is Hornet's football, he must be the reason the Hornets have been cursed in football glory?

Offensive playcalling has got to change. This could be a result of the inability to pass block, but why don't we use our TE's more? Or zone routes that are 10-15 yds. long. We either run off tackle or throw a 45 yd. pass to Washington.

Who is in charge of long snapper's? Watching that cannonball sail over Smith's head was almost comical. This happens WAY too much. Our KO return's have as much energy as a shuffleboard reunion. I'd swear whoever is running the ball back runs directly for a pile of bodies in the middle of the field. Get outside.

Hey... You got a point, man. Sometimes to make a change you have to wipe out EVERYONE and go back to default. I think Baiz is a good coach (bit of a jerk from what I hear), but he may could also be still living in "Hornet Era 2000-2006". Osterhout could be as well. I'm not saying they are but I defintiely think you have to consider hitting the refresh button to signify a "New Hornet Era" so to speak.

Our kick return game absolutely sucks. We need good returns to motivate the offense to drive down the field and it also shortens the distance we have to travel. Sorry... but Kyle is entirely too slow and not elusive enough to return any balls. He runs out of control and like you said, runs like a missile into a target. They gotta pull him outta there and get someone who is going to "Get Outside" as you so elegantly put it.

I have no idea why we don't use our tight ends as receivers. All these teams run zones all the time. Having a receiving tight end sneak out in the seam of those zones and catch those passes could definitely make our offense more volatile or deadly. However, the TEs gotta be able to jump up there and take the hit that's definitely coming from the safety or linebacker. Either way.. anything is better than...

Kadeezy said:
We average 5 WR screens a game, wtf?

Hell yeah... I just shake my head when I see Jason make a quick throw to the sideline. Open the playbook. Run frickin 5 wide or that Trouble (Variation of 5 wide) package. SOMEONE IS ALWAYS OPEN WHEN YOU RUN 5 WIDE. It's almost impossible to stop. Even mediocre receivers can beat man coverage and good ones can find the holes in zone coverage. Run it!!!

Super Hornet said:
Here's MY remedy:

1. Name Baiz DC/LBer coach.
2. Move Jonny O to Asst. Hammerhead coach.
3. Get OC/Hammerhead Coach from UCLA (You know who).
4. Hire John Fassel from Raiders as Special Teams Coord/QBs Coach/Asst. HC. (He already has head coaching experience.)

That, plus some decent recruiting, should fix what problems we have left.

Whatever needs to be done to make the O line and the Special Teams more exciting I fully support.

Hornet Superior said:
Great post Hornet Homer. We need many remedies. Head ccoach is only as good as his assistants; head coach is like a business man , surround yourself with good people. Homer, you said we need 300 pound linemen, that would great, but the one thing I notice is that our opponents look like they live in the weight room were as our linemen and our team as a whole do not appear to lift as much as the other teams. Homer, football is about leverage. L have never played a team sport(I love Golf),but my son who has played college football says 90% of frosh are not ready for this level of play for many resons. He says that UCDavis redshirts all frosh. If thats the case,its working for them as they seem to be winning again. I keep reading the same excuse, injuries, injuries, and injuries. Thats football, the other teams suffer injuries and they just keep on playing. Homer you mentioned recruiting. I would think the best recruiters would be the players on the roster. Kids do not lie. If a player has a great experience in a program he will ssell the program. Bad experience, he can kill your program.(Got this from my son). Beat EWU. Go Hornets

Aside from me being "TheHornetReport" (Lol) I agree with everything you said. You do need stronger people if you're going to undersized and like you also said, I don't see any linemen that seem strong enough to compensate for their lack of size. However size does matter. The other team will have MORE difficulty trying to pass a bigger guy than an undersized one. It will make them use more energy and make them tired as well. I just think you need BULLS on the O line. LOOK AT MONTANA'S OFFENSIVE LINE! There was NO WAY we were getting in the backfield. We're lucky we got the 1 sack we did at the beginning of the game. The kids on the team need to take a big part in recruiting as well and I think they do. I was talking to Fred (Amey) about this and I think they handle it well.

Great posts guys.
 
Hey Superior - Lay off the sauce. I'm the only HOMER on this board LOL. Size of our lineman is not our problem! Intensity is what we need. You beat the big, slow, lumbering guys with speed, quickness, and technique. Also, a scheme that involves stunts with the DL and LB's creates havoc on big slow guys. Again, as I mentioned before, the TE is non existent in our passing game. I actually like the bubble screen we throw 5 times a game. You know why it doesn't work? We don't block anyone. The game of football has evolved over the years in creativity, however the two things that have never changed and usually decide most games is blocking and tackling. If your team does both of those things exceptionally well, you will have a winning record and contend for your league every year. Does anyone here know a team that blocks and tackles extremely well and is NOT very good? If a team takes PRIDE in aggressive BLOCKING and aggresive gang TACKLING it will be successful and WIN. Back to the basics!
GO HORNETS!!!!
 
I think Sperbeck is quickly learning that FCS in the Big Sky is not JC ball.

He or his staff, which he brought many with him, have not adjusted to this level yet.
 
What sauce. I quit ale and went to soda pop. I do not know much about x's and o's ,terminology, bubble screens and that stuff. You guys are giving me a lesson infootball 101. This is what I see at practices, scrimmages and games (2 more to see,UNC & cow patties), lack of leadership, too much yelling and screaming. I will continue to back the Green and Gold,but they need tomake changes, where thats up to the football gods. Looking forward to the basketball season. Baseball, I quit going,terrible program. Hopefully this post won't ruffle Hornet Master's feathers. Just telling it like I see it. Go Hornets.
 
I agree with many of the post. We need a better O line. We can't protect Jason and we can't run the ball like we did in the beggining of the year. We were rushing for 185 yards a game before the NAU game. Now were avg. Around 60 partly because of the 21 we had at NAU. Our defense is young and is making strides just as the offense was bad last year because they were young they are improved this year as will the defense will improve each week this year and get better next year. What I notice is when were bad were bad but when were good were good. There is no in between. As for Bball I'm looking forward to this season. As for baseball, I'll go to a game when coach smith is gone. That program is a joke.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
Super Hornet said:
Here's MY remedy:

1. Name Baiz DC/LBer coach.
2. Move Jonny O to Asst. Hammerhead coach.
3. Get OC/Hammerhead Coach from UCLA (You know who).
4. Hire John Fassel from Raiders as Special Teams Coord/QBs Coach/Asst. HC. (He already has head coaching experience.)

That, plus some decent recruiting, should fix what problems we have left.

I am proud of you SH, no Volek, Tisdel or Danny White comment.

I can understand the Big Cat and QB/P angst, GCM. But where does Tisdel come in? I've never advocated Tisdel; in fact, I would deplore a Tisdel hiring. The reports I got on him from UNR were that he's similar to Abatemarco, and we certainly don't need THAT cr@p.
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
The Broad Center is definitely helping in the recruiting game now, especially with the local recruits, which is going to pay enormous dividends with this upcoming signing class....you watch. Also agree with you on the OL guys. I think Jon O. should be moved from DL coach to OL coach next year. He was a Hammerhead and he can bring back the Hammerhead tradition....I know that HHD would definitely concur!!

Actually, I don't concur. From what he's told me, he really likes being a d-line coach. He's coached TE's but never OL. I'm sure he could do it, but he really likes coaching the DL guys.

Don't panic guys. I'm not sure why the team hasn't played as well as it did the first three weeks. It does appear the OL isn't quite getting the job done. We've had an awful lot of injuries and we're thin at a lot of spots. Hopefully we can end up 6-6 or 7-5.

Remember how well we played against CSU? We just need to get back to that level of football every week. Turnovers weren't a problem the first three weeks and now we are having a real problem with them. We have to stop giving the ball to the other team and protect the ball better.

GO HORNETS!
 
be realistic. sac will always get the leftovers as far as recruits. cal , fresno, stanford, out of state , etc. will always get the cream of the crop. it takes outstanding coaching ( teaching ) to develop the talent. patience along the line of 10-15 years is going to be required before sac can even get to thinking of being in a d-1 conference. that's why this years team as well as those to follow are all important and need our support; they are the building blocks to get there. the critical question is can the coaching staff teach and make the players in house better ? this leads to more wins, more attention, more recruits giving sac consideration.

does playing in front of an average of approx 7000 fans met d-1 status ? no way. these idiots who do the scheduling need to sched the home games after 6 pm in order to get more people out. sac is a beautiful flower waiting to blossom.
 
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