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Remembering The Glory Years of Weber State Basketball

weberwildcat

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oldrunner,

tell us, what was it like going to games in 1980 when we averaged 10,500???? :rockon: I can't even imagine it.
 
When I started at WSC we were in the Swenson Gym. It only held about 5,000. The place was sold out for every game and the student section was standing room only. I played trumpet in the band. we were right on the court, in the back corner. That place was so incredibly loud and alive that other teams were often intimidated. The crowd was so roccus that we, often, could not hear ourselves playing. They would start stomping on the old wooden bleachers and it would feel like an earthquake down on the floor.

When we moved to the Dee, we kept the band on the floor, in front of the student section. Student attendance was probably between 3,000 and 6,000, depending on the game and time of year. For the big games, the atmosphere at the Dee could be electric. There were times that it would get even louder than Swenson. However, the Dee has never been the PITT that the Swenson was.

Student attendace began to decline after the athletic department started to make anti student policies. One of the first BIG mistakes they made was to stop allowing students walk up admission to the game by showing a student ID. They required students to pick up their tickets at UB in the days leading up to the game. That cut student attendace by about half. Mission accomplished. I think that the athletic dept thought they could sell all of those, now empty, seats as season ticks. When they didn't raise the revenue that they thought they could, they looked around for additional sources. Some highly intellegent person in the ADs office came up with the bright idea of charging all customers for parking. That, bright idea, resulted in another 50% drop in student attendance and probably a 25% reduction in season ticket buyers.

Here is how the equation worked from that point on. Less students, less excitement at the games. Less excitement at the games, less reason to want to be there. Less reason to want to be there, less student attendance. And so on, and so on, and so on. As season ticket holders started to drop out and die off, they weren't being replaced by graduates wanting to continue following the Wildcats because they weren't fans as students. You can see where this all leads us. Less excitement, less fans, less money coming into the program. It has been a nightmare trying to turn this thing around. We took two steps forward with Ron Abeglen, four steps back with Joe, and now we are making strides with Randy.

Just a little history lesson. :coffee:
 
The Reed Swenson Gym - very few atmospheres like it - I lived it too. In fact I have a nameplate from the wood floor sitting proudly on my desk. I hadn't really thought about the id card/ticket change but that makes sense, you're right. I always wondered why the students (and alumni) dwindled over the years - good analysis on a sad situation. Let's get back there - Go Wildcats!
 
I have a peice of that floor, as well. That is where my passion started. I really wish that today's students could feel what I felt then. It was truely amazing. The only way it's going to happen today is if we can, somehow, get 4,000 to 5,000 students to our games. I have some ideas, and I have expressed them on this board before, but the athletic dept, is going to be required to show some real guts to get the students back and start making an investment in the future of WSU athletics. It won't be easy to reverse 30 years of neglect. but it can be done. :thumb: :thumb: :twocents:
 
oldrunner said:
I have a peice of that floor, as well. That is where my passion started. I really wish that today's students could feel what I felt then. It was truely amazing. The only way it's going to happen today is if we can, somehow, get 4,000 to 5,000 students to our games. I have some ideas, and I have expressed them on this board before, but the athletic dept, is going to be required to show some real guts to get the students back and start making an investment in the future of WSU athletics. It won't be easy to reverse 30 years of neglect. but it can be done. :thumb: :thumb: :twocents:

I agree that we can change it and make the new times the best times - but like John L said - it will take everyone. If you are of that my same vintage, you might want to check out the tribute to Willie Sojourner on the Youtube video I linked in my signature. It is kind of cool to see what an impact he had really on the world.
 
Thanks.

I actually played against him in a 3 v 3 tournament. We were both in our 40s, it probably wasn't much of an athletic display, and he kicked our asses. I loved that guy. I loved him more once I met him. He put Weber State on the map. In today's world, he would have never been elligible for D1 ball. I'm just glad he landed at Weber.
 
This is what i like to see people that know a little about the Weber State athletic machine and how it worked in the past and how it screwed up in the past. A little history and some good ideas for some hope for the future, hope that in the past was not always in the vocabulary. I remember the old gym and how the crowd would will the team to win by stomping on the wood slats, damn , i could hardly hear myself think, just imagine what that did to the visiting team, it was great. We lost a little of that in the move but when the DEC gets rocking it is truly electric. I was pleasantly surprised how loud the center got when everyone got into the excitement of a big game, its a great place for basketball. I would like to know if Willie ever told you, Old Runner, how he could have done better in the NBA ? One day while he and I were picking up some fish equipment out at Smith & Edwards he got into a long discussion about just that topic, not only was it very interesting but he just about had me wetting myself with the humor of it all. Willie was just a good guy that you couldn't help but like and when i told him that no one had done more for basketball in Ogden at Weber State, he couldn't have been more humble and appreciative, he had been out of the game for a long time at that time.
 
I wish some of the WSU Legends had a bigger part post career at WSU. I don't know if it is a lack of WSU trying to get these guys back, a lack of interest from the old players/coaches, or a lack of media interest covering it when they do come around. There was a article this year where Dame said he spoke with Harold Arceneaux, Eddie Gill and Jermaine Boyette all the time. I am sure from time to time these guys catch a game at the Dee (or in the skybox) but it is never announced before that they will be in attendance, or rarely recognized at the game they are there.

It would also be cool to have a online/emailed WSU athletic's what's going on" newsletter. They could do articles on current and former players and what is going on. It could be similar to the Q&A Weberhoops.com done by Mark @ http://weberhoops.com/wildcatwall.htm. It could also be mailed out to the season ticket holders with their renewal forms or when the tickets are sent out.
 
This is the most interesting thread I have read on the forum in a long time. Do you guys or anyone else have any comments or memories about the old days of Weber basketball?

It is fun to hear about the 60s and 70s teams for those of us that weren't born yet. These old teams and WSU's history need to be remembered. It is the very reason WeberHoops.com was started.

We should try and get more old guys on the forum and discuss.

BTW, this thread was split from the "football/basketball attendance" thread.
 
Its great to hear other people are interested in the history of Weber State basketball and football, i know its a big love of mine. I have many memories and stories but i have been following Weber since the junior college days and that is where my memories start to fog up. One of Weber's first home games, as a four year school, was played at the Ogden coliseum against Idaho State. I think Weber lost but i remember Weber State advertising that game at my elementary school with big colorful posters, i believe that on that poster it read something like ' Hey kids be sure you take your dads to the big football game this Saturday and watch our team play Idaho State at the Ogden Coliseum etc ' i cant remember if it was their first four year game or the first Big Sky game but i sure would like to have that poster now. I didn't go, my dad worked Saturdays. I see Bobandwaldo is interested in some history and why not give him and more like him some articles and photographs of both basketball, football and whatever else has some memories of Weber State athletics. I am always looking back on so many great moments that would really be fun to validate. In 1965 or 66 we won the biggest game to date, it was a 14 to 7 win over Idaho University at Wildcat Stadium. this game was so big in our area that a local TV station rebroadcasted it the next day, it was a Sunday. Another great moment was our first basketball game with Utah State, if i am right, it was an overtime game with Weber winning by a point. The game was in Logan and was televised locally and think it was 1970. I do remember sneaking my TV into work and being a very happy nervous wreck. One more for Bobandwaldo. We played San Diego State in 1967 or 68 at Wildcat stadium, after leading almost the entire game they came back and beat us by 4, 38-34 a quiet crowd that night as we left. Back then we could get San Diego State, Utah State and a few others into Wildcat Stadium. For these stories there are a thousand others but not crystal clear ones and that is why they should do more with Weber State University :blah: athletics history!
 
Great memories - we all have them and the young fans of Weber State are building theirs with the current team. I watched my first Weber State basketball game during the Cable Car Classic as Sojourner and Harlan put on a clinic. There had been a piece in the San Francisco Examiner about the team showing Willie supposedly dunking 3 balls. It was a still picture of course and a few of my friends and I had to see this guy for ourselves. He was for real on the court and we were lucky enough to talk to those two after the game. These guys were great recruiters and couldn't have been nicer to a bunch of High School kids with big dreams. After that tournament and with what they did in the NCAA's no one in my circles of the Bay Area even knew there was a Utah State, Utah or BYU. The one team out of Utah we knew of was Weber State.
There are, no doubt, some players in that area right now, noting the emergence of Lillard and Otis and how Weber State gives them a chance to show how good they really are. We've had great players in the past and continue that tradition today. Let's get into this year and get after people like we used to. Go Wildcats! :willybs:

FYI - I re-read my post and realized I had put Justus Thigpen rather than Sessions Harlan. Senility, I guess. I never saw Thigpen play but he was also a great player from all that I heard.
 
Nice story Purplecore, Getting off the subject just a little but i am from Ogden but i spent the summer of 67 in a town by Walnut Creek, very nice place. It converted me to being a fan of a couple pro teams there. I try to make Giants games when i can. That must have been something to meet those guys at a young age, wow. Thigpen was no sloutch nor was another guard around then, Sessions Harlan, hope i got that spelling right. I cant remember if he played in that tournament or had graduated but he was fun to watch also, believe his son ended up coming to Weber and playing football. Yes i will be there tonight and behind them all the way and hoping some more Oakland and local kids decide to come here to help us get even farther along.
 
i wish more people could see this thread and more would post. great to hear about the old days of wsu sports. i would have loved to see some games back in the day of the old gym and the early days of the dee. patten jr's wife wrote a piece in the signpost i think in 2006 about retiring willie's number.

wsu has no retired numbers except for the one retired number for rob thomas who died as a player around 30 years ago. i think it would be cool to see some numbers retired for guys like willie and motta who got it all started. wsu doesnt want to do it becuase they dont know who to retire and how to decide since there have been many greats. we are the only DI school in the state with 0 retired.
 
purplecore said:
Great memories - we all have them and the young fans of Weber State are building theirs with the current team. I watched my first Weber State basketball game during the Cable Car Classic as Sojourner and Thigpen put on a clinic. There had been a piece in the San Francisco Examiner about the team showing Willie supposedly dunking 3 balls. It was a still picture of course and a few of my friends and I had to see this guy for ourselves. He was for real on the court and we were lucky enough to talk to those two after the game. These guys were great recruiters and couldn't have been nicer to a bunch of High School kids with big dreams. After that tournament and with what they did in the NCAA's no one in my circles of the Bay Area even knew there was a Utah State, Utah or BYU-UT. The one team out of Utah we knew of was Weber State.
There are, no doubt, some players in that area right now, noting the emergence of Lillard and Otis and how Weber State gives them a chance to show how good they really are. We've had great players in the past and continue that tradition today. Let's get into this year and get after people like we used to. Go Wildcats! :willybs:

weber's game article for Cal mentioned the cable car classic how willie had 27 pts and 23 boards. pretty cool but then again that wasn't even a career game for willie. ha ha. i wish i could have met him and known more about him before he died.

i went to high school with one of his sons (mid 90s). all i knew was his dad played in the nba and i played against an older brother (probab around 6-7 225) of his in pick up games a lot, he might have played college ball but not sure where other than SLCC. willie's son my age was probably 6-8 300+ in high school, he was a giant. he played no sports all 3 yrs. i thought it was odd but didn't really know him.

willie's stats are incredible, he is still #2 in big sky history in rebounding and some of his numbers look untouchable especially just at weber. 42 yr old stats that no one can even get near, thats how good he was and i never saw him play.
 
Believe Willies brothers name was Mike and I do know he played at the U of U mid 70s under coach Pimm. I could be wrong but damn close if so. I would notice Mike and his buddy at the Stars games at the Salt Palace. Mike was a good player but not compared to Willie.
 
crazycat said:
Believe Willies brothers name was Mike and I do know he played at the U of U mid 70s under coach Pimm. I could be wrong but damn close if so. I would notice Mike and his buddy at the Stars games at the Salt Palace. Mike was a good player but not compared to Willie.

Mike Sojourner was indeed fun to watch at Utah. You are right that he was not the dominant player that Willie was. Utah went very hard recruiting him knowing what Willie had done and they got a good player, but we had the best of the brothers by quite a bit.
 
what year did you guys see you first ever weber state basketball game?

i happen to remember my first ever game because it was in the record books. it was byu @ weber, 1990. the crowd was the 10th largest in wsu history, 11,000+ and byu had a player that was 7'6".
 
catcat said:
what year did you guys see you first ever weber state basketball game?

i happen to remember my first ever game because it was in the record books. it was BYU-UT @ weber, 1990. the crowd was the 10th largest in wsu history, 11,000+ and BYU-UT had a player that was 7'6".
My first WSU bball game was December 5th 1978 vs South Dakota St. WSU won 80-50. I guess I should say that it was Weber State College at that point. :rockon: :rockon:
 
that is interesting so i guess that means the first game i saw was the first season of Weber State University. lol. 1990-91.
 
My first game was when I was a Freshman in high school. It would have been in the 1993-1994 season. We lived in Logan and my dad would commute to Weber State every day. He was a Marketing professor then. 2 years later we eventually moved to Ogden. Anyway, I was playing on the Freshman team at Sky View high and we had a game againt Ben Lomond or Ogden I think. We just stayed after and went to the Weber State game. Im pretty sure Weber played Montana and won, but cant quite remember. Sadly before we moved to Ogden I was more of a Utah State fan. I remember cheering against Weber State for those first few years. YIKES!!!!!!! I have sence repented of my ways and seen the light. I can't believe I used to cheer for those dooshes. ha ha.
 

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