ROB ASH - MSU Coach

[EWU98]

Love the fact Ash is as ticked off as we are about the move. :nod: :thumb:
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Big Sky, FCS UNITY!

 

[marceagfan5]

I am starting to like Ash, way to stand up for the conference, division, and even EWU.

He is right...

 

[LDopaPDX]

Agreed, Ash and Delaney were both classy coaches. Good rivals.

I think he reads the tea leaves that this isn't an Eastern problem, this is an issue for everyone out there at or around our level. Oregon poached Adams; what's to stop Ohio State from poaching Prukop? Anyone who's used a redshirt year is now fair game.

 

[PDXDuckFan]

Agreed, Ash and Delaney were both classy coaches. Good rivals.

I think he reads the tea leaves that this isn't an Eastern problem, this is an issue for everyone out there at or around our level. Oregon poached Adams; what's to stop Ohio State from poaching Prukop? Anyone who's used a redshirt year is now fair game.

Talent?

 

[kalm]

Agreed, Ash and Delaney were both classy coaches. Good rivals.

I think he reads the tea leaves that this isn't an Eastern problem, this is an issue for everyone out there at or around our level. Oregon poached Adams; what's to stop Ohio State from poaching Prukop? Anyone who's used a redshirt year is now fair game.

Talent?

Prukop could be the next Adams on a bigger more dual threat type frame but you're right, OSU can recruit and develop it's own QB talent.

 

[PDXDuckFan]

Prukop could be the next Adams on a bigger more dual threat type frame but you're right, OSU can recruit and develop it's own QB talent.

So has Oregon for years, except for the transfers during the Mariota era. If Adams starts, he'll be the first starting QB since Masoli who transferred, and only the second one in the last 30 years.

EWU would never stoop to starting a QB transfer, would they?

 

[EWURanger]

Prukop could be the next Adams on a bigger more dual threat type frame but you're right, OSU can recruit and develop it's own QB talent.

So has Oregon for years, except for the transfers during the Mariota era. If Adams starts, he'll be the first starting QB since Masoli who transferred, and only the second one in the last 30 years.

EWU would never stoop to starting a QB transfer, would they?

No, we would. What's your point?

 

[PDXDuckFan]

No, we would. What's your point?

The point is that at times, even very good teams need a transfer to fill a key position, due to either transfers from recruited players, or inexperience for those in the program. Bo Levi Mitchell, a transfer who was eligible immediately, put a very good EWU team over the top to a title, because Baldwin didn't have confidence in the QBs he recruited to EWU. He went out and poached a guy that SMU developed, and nobody raised a fuss about it.

Pretty crappy of Baldwin to promise Mitchell the starting job when he had QBs already in his program that he recruited, isn't it? Or does that only apply to Oregon. Adams hasn't even been promised the starting job, nor was he when he made his official visit to UCLA last weekend. It's sour grapes, and Baldwin, to his credit admitted as much. Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

No, we would. What's your point?

The point is that at times, even very good teams need a transfer to fill a key position, due to either transfers from recruited players, or inexperience for those in the program.

Pretty crappy of Baldwin to promise Mitchell the starting job when he had QBs already in his program that he recruited, isn't it? Or does that only apply to Oregon. Adams hasn't even been promised the starting job, nor was he when he made his official visit to UCLA last weekend. It's sour grapes, and Baldwin, to his credit admitted as much. Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

Hey dipshit, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with accepting transfers, it has to do with actively recruiting the best players off of other teams because they have means to do so, like Oregon did in this instance.

Mitchell wasn't the best player on the Mustang's team... he lost the starting job, asked for his release, and started looking for a new school. EWU was on his radar because Baldwin recruited Mitchell out of HS. Baldwin didn't have Mitchell's HS coach whisper in his ear "Hey, if you ask for your release, you're guaranteed a starting job if you drop DOWN and come to EWU." :roll: On top of that, Mitchell was never promised the starting job, he was splitting reps in fall camp until it came pretty clear that he was the best QB we had.

What's pathetic is you Oregon fans that come over here to stir the pot, defend MoneyBags U's nefarious recruitment strategy all the while bashing EWU's Coach and AD for calling them out on it. Is your bandwagonbase really that insecure that care what lowly EWU fans think of them after they stole the best player from our team? Do you all expect us to say, "Oh Oregon, what a great school and program, they do things the right way! Good for them!" ?

Get fucked. See you guys 9/5.

 

[EWURanger]

Pretty crappy of Baldwin to promise Mitchell the starting job when he had QBs already in his program that he recruited, isn't it? Or does that only apply to Oregon. Adams hasn't even been promised the starting job, nor was he when he made his official visit to UCLA last weekend. It's sour grapes, and Baldwin, to his credit admitted as much. Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

Sorry, but this is a real stretch. Baldwin never promised BLM the starting job at EWU. EWU also recruited BLM heavily out of high school. When BLM lost the starting job to Kyle Padron in 2010, EWU was a natural choice for him to transfer to. He already had a good relationship with the coaching staff.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but the two situations aren't similar.

 

[eaglesfootball]

Pretty crappy of Baldwin to promise Mitchell the starting job when he had QBs already in his program that he recruited, isn't it? Or does that only apply to Oregon. Adams hasn't even been promised the starting job, nor was he when he made his official visit to UCLA last weekend. It's sour grapes, and Baldwin, to his credit admitted as much. Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

hno:

i see oregon fans using this mitchell argument in threads all over the internet. the two situations couldnt be more different.

whats more, Mitchell had to earn the starting job at EWU, just like Adams will have to earn the starting job at Oregon. Kyle Padron (another SMU QB) transferred to EWU in 2012, and also wasn't promised the starting job. He ended up getting beaten out by Adams and declared for the draft the same year.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

The issue is bigger than Vernon Adams. If you can't see why lower tier FBS schools/FCS schools are less than thrilled with this rule, then you are more confused than I thought.

 

[PDXDuckFan]

Hey dipshit, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with accepting transfers, it has to do with actively recruiting the best players off of other teams because they have means to do so, like Oregon did in this instance.

Your own coach said this didn't happen. He even said that he and Vernon sat down after the season to discuss options for next year, and he told VA that he was interviewing for the OSU job, and that VA should keep all of his options open, because he earned it. Baldwin actually said he discussed it with VA long before Oregon even was a pipe dream.

Mitchell wasn't the best player on the Mustang's team... he lost the starting job, asked for his release, and started looking for a new school. EWU was on his radar because Baldwin recruited Mitchell out of HS. Baldwin didn't have Mitchell's HS coach whisper in his ear "Hey, if you ask for your release, you're guaranteed a starting job if you drop DOWN and come to EWU." :roll: On top of that, Mitchell was never promised the starting job, he was splitting reps in fall camp until it came pretty clear that he was the best QB we had.

Adams isn't promised the starting job at UO, either. He saw it as a chance to get some more exposure, at a much better program, and he jumped on it. Shouldn't your issue be with VA?

What's pathetic is you Oregon fans that come over here to stir the pot, defend MoneyBags U's nefarious recruitment strategy all the while bashing EWU's Coach and AD for calling them out on it. Is your bandwagonbase really that insecure that care what lowly EWU fans think of them after they stole the best player from our team? Do you all expect us to say, "Oh Oregon, what a great school and program, they do things the right way! Good for them!" ?

Baldwin admitted he went too far today on Portland radio, and said he understands why VA would want to go to Oregon. As for not letting VA use the football facilities, I agree with Baldwin 100% in that decision.

Get fucked.

Thanks.

See you guys 9/5.

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

 

[PDXDuckFan]

Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

The issue is bigger than Vernon Adams. If you can't see why lower tier FBS schools/FCS schools are less than thrilled with this rule, then you are more confused than I thought.

I find it funny that Ash talks about being Division 1, yet he willingly accepts FBS transfers who don't sit out for a year if they transfer to FCS instead of FBS. Is that a level playing field, if we're all one big happy D1 family?

Or, if we get rid of the graduate transfer rule, would FCS programs also be willing to play by the same transfer rules as FBS teams? I doubt it.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

Oregon wouldn't be able to buy us out for $50k. Please cite a reference for that.

You're not going to get much of an ear with the elitist attitude.

Seems not long ago Oregon could have been considered a podunk program...by some.

 

[kalm]

Hey dipshit, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with accepting transfers, it has to do with actively recruiting the best players off of other teams because they have means to do so, like Oregon did in this instance.

Your own coach said this didn't happen. He even said that he and Vernon sat down after the season to discuss options for next year, and he told VA that he was interviewing for the OSU job, and that VA should keep all of his options open, because he earned it. Baldwin actually said he discussed it with VA long before Oregon even was a pipe dream.

Mitchell wasn't the best player on the Mustang's team... he lost the starting job, asked for his release, and started looking for a new school. EWU was on his radar because Baldwin recruited Mitchell out of HS. Baldwin didn't have Mitchell's HS coach whisper in his ear "Hey, if you ask for your release, you're guaranteed a starting job if you drop DOWN and come to EWU." :roll: On top of that, Mitchell was never promised the starting job, he was splitting reps in fall camp until it came pretty clear that he was the best QB we had.

Adams isn't promised the starting job at UO, either. He saw it as a chance to get some more exposure, at a much better program, and he jumped on it. Shouldn't your issue be with VA?

What's pathetic is you Oregon fans that come over here to stir the pot, defend MoneyBags U's nefarious recruitment strategy all the while bashing EWU's Coach and AD for calling them out on it. Is your bandwagonbase really that insecure that care what lowly EWU fans think of them after they stole the best player from our team? Do you all expect us to say, "Oh Oregon, what a great school and program, they do things the right way! Good for them!" ?

Baldwin admitted he went too far today on Portland radio, and said he understands why VA would want to go to Oregon. As for not letting VA use the football facilities, I agree with Baldwin 100% in that decision.

Get fucked.

Thanks.

See you guys 9/5.

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

Links or it's all bullshit. :nod:

 

[eaglesfootball]

If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

where'd ya hear this fish story? I'm fairly certain Oregon would have to pay more than 50k if they were to buy us out of the game.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Hey dipshit, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with accepting transfers, it has to do with actively recruiting the best players off of other teams because they have means to do so, like Oregon did in this instance.

Your own coach said this didn't happen. He even said that he and Vernon sat down after the season to discuss options for next year, and he told VA that he was interviewing for the OSU job, and that VA should keep all of his options open, because he earned it. Baldwin actually said he discussed it with VA long before Oregon even was a pipe dream.

Mitchell wasn't the best player on the Mustang's team... he lost the starting job, asked for his release, and started looking for a new school. EWU was on his radar because Baldwin recruited Mitchell out of HS. Baldwin didn't have Mitchell's HS coach whisper in his ear "Hey, if you ask for your release, you're guaranteed a starting job if you drop DOWN and come to EWU." :roll: On top of that, Mitchell was never promised the starting job, he was splitting reps in fall camp until it came pretty clear that he was the best QB we had.

Adams isn't promised the starting job at UO, either. He saw it as a chance to get some more exposure, at a much better program, and he jumped on it. Shouldn't your issue be with VA?

What's pathetic is you Oregon fans that come over here to stir the pot, defend MoneyBags U's nefarious recruitment strategy all the while bashing EWU's Coach and AD for calling them out on it. Is your bandwagonbase really that insecure that care what lowly EWU fans think of them after they stole the best player from our team? Do you all expect us to say, "Oh Oregon, what a great school and program, they do things the right way! Good for them!" ?

Baldwin admitted he went too far today on Portland radio, and said he understands why VA would want to go to Oregon. As for not letting VA use the football facilities, I agree with Baldwin 100% in that decision.

Get fucked.

Thanks.

See you guys 9/5.

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

Whatever you wish to believe. :jack: :jack: :jack:

I don't give a shit who we play, and neither do our players. EWU will line up and play with anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if Whoregon bought us out... that's what they do with everything to get their way... throw money at it. Thank you for epitomizing what the Whoregon bandwagon base and football program is all about; egotistical small-dick rich-daddy syndrome.

 

[EWURanger]

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening.

So Oregon's going to take their toys and go home?

Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though.

Sounds to me like Oregon fans are the ones overreacting here. What "lies" has anyone officially associated with the EWU Athletic Department told about Oregon? The answer is zero.

Baldwin didn't express anything other than his opinions. You can feel free to disagree with him all you like, but it doesn't make them lies.

 

[Eaglefanatical]

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

I can see that your only purpose in posting on this forum is to smear our faces in the fact that you poached our starting QB off of us. You'll excuse us if we aren't amused.

As for Oregon fans not wanting to play us next year because of some remarks that were made in an interview; seems you Oregon fans might be more than a little thin skinned. We'll gladly take the payoff, which will be substantially more than the 50k you cited, and play someone else. It will only make Oregon look worse than it already does.