ROB ASH - MSU Coach

[LDopaPDX]

Idiot Duck fans were on OregonLive and ESPN writing comments about how it was ridiculous that Eastern wouldn't let Judas practice with the team... I wonder if they'll let our players stop by for a couple of practices during Spring ball? Maybe John Ross III can spend some time in their film sessions?

I heard Beau Baldwin on The Fan down here this afternoon laughing at how stupid the criticism he's received on this has been.

The fucking stupid in these people is breathtaking!

Comparing Mitchell's transfer to Adams' is equally absurd. The Mitchell transfer is standard protocol that happens everywhere, at every university, all year long. Adams left on what was essentially an unused technicality... There are no other examples I can think of in which a player was sought that didn't even have transfer credentials. A lot of Ducks want to point at Russell Wilson, but that's not a legit comparison. He wasn't on a team, had graduated, and was living on the other side of North Carolina when he transferred. He certainly didn't have a Wisconsin coach contact his HS coach in January to make informal inquires as an intermediary.

 

[Hambone]

Good god. This topic is going to dominate the off season. Can we please move on?

 

[eaglesfootball]

i have zero issues with baldwin not letting Vern practice with the team. He even told him as much before he announced his decision. How anyone could question that decision just completely baffles me.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

Oregon wouldn't be able to buy us out for $50k. Please cite a reference for that.

You're not going to get much of an ear with the elitist attitude.

Seems not long ago Oregon could have been considered a podunk program...by some.

There's probably a buyout clause in the contract.

 

[MLEagle]

Prukop could be the next Adams on a bigger more dual threat type frame but you're right, OSU can recruit and develop it's own QB talent.

So has Oregon for years, except for the transfers during the Mariota era. If Adams starts, he'll be the first starting QB since Masoli who transferred, and only the second one in the last 30 years.

EWU would never stoop to starting a QB transfer, would they?

You guys are missing the point about Oregon and that is the fact that they are actively pursuing players on another team's roster. This new rule is in place for academic reasons and not football reasons. By Oregon pursuing players on other schools rosters they are crossing an ethical line that has been developed over years.

Those bystanders that say the kids should be allowed to transfer to improve their status or whatever, then by that logic there shouldn't be any transfer rules at all and kids should be able to move at anytime. Why have any rules about this at all? The answer is to reduce ethical headhunters that are on the prowl.

This is not Russell Wilson like at all, that is a ignorant and uninformed argument.

 

[EWURanger]

You guys are missing the point about Oregon and that is the fact that they are actively pursuing players on another team's roster.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of hearing this shit. The HS Coach may have played a part in this, who knows, but there is no way of knowing or proving it, so it's probably irrelevant at this point and does nothing for us moving forward.

I'll say it again: Great programs lose great players all the time and replace them with other great players. Let's stop talking about this shit and start talking about Spring Ball.

 

[MLEagle]

Thanks.

See you guys 9/5.

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?[/quote]

I got news for you, in all my years of attending EWU sporting events and conversing with Eagle alumni and fans I have never once heard anything remotely resembling "damn I wish we could be like Oregon."

If it weren't for Phil Knight's hundreds of millions, Oregon would be WSU or OSU. I understand why you are hung up on money.

 

[MLEagle]

You guys are missing the point about Oregon and that is the fact that they are actively pursuing players on another team's roster.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of hearing this shit. The HS Coach may have played a part in this, who knows, but there is no way of knowing or proving it, so it's probably irrelevant at this point and does nothing for us moving forward.

I'll say it again: Great programs lose great players all the time and replace them with other great players. Let's stop talking about this shit and start talking about Spring Ball.

I hear what you are saying, but I am honestly tired of hearing people talk out of the side of their mouth with uninformed blather. It is particularly tiresome when it is on this board.

Integrity is something I respect a nd I believe Beau has it and the Oregon football program doesn't.

 

[AmericasBird]

My eyes have been opened as to why Duck fans have the terrible reputation they have. I've never seen a more entitled, less honest, and self inflated presumptuous fan base. I can't say things about our rivals I can now say about duck fans and their program. No wonder they're on sanctions. I'm so sick of their phony school, their phony fans, and this phony story they're hiding behind and they just came on my radar for the first time in the past week. Wow that didn't take long.

Why isnt the media going after Helfrich and asking him flat out how the whole Adams initial contact happened and getting it on the record? That's a question he knows the answer to, not Beau. Yet the Oregon media is on a crusade for Beau, while not asking Helfrich how the initial contact took place? Helfrich is the coach who knows that answer. Is the Oregon media that intimidated by the Ducks football machine they're afraid to do their job for fear of being black balled? Nice governor they have too, and how fitting the crook who is about to be kicked out of office and put in jail is a duck. It runs in the Duck DNA apparently.

I requested earlier for Duck fan to stop coming here and insulting our intelligence. But reading these idiots posts, they actually think they're smarter than their fellow man and think they're doing us a favor by spreading their petulance and knowledge on us. Now in an attempt to get the story off their cheating ways they've gone on the offensive trying to turn this story around on us by bringing up players who transferred to EWU. For anyone with their eye on the ball, the story is Oregon's improper contact and involvement with a player actively on scholarship at another school. That's the story. It's not just unethical, but against NCAA rules. We don't take our eyes off the ball so easily Duck fans and you're not as smart as you think you are if you believe we are that easily distracted by your stupid offensive attack and attempt to turn the story around on us. We're not and we don't forget either. Were eagles, America's bird and we eat ducks for fun and shit them out while flying high over other ducks. So tired of these low lifes already.

 

[Phalanx]

No, we would. What's your point?

The point is that at times, even very good teams need a transfer to fill a key position, due to either transfers from recruited players, or inexperience for those in the program. Bo Levi Mitchell, a transfer who was eligible immediately, put a very good EWU team over the top to a title, because Baldwin didn't have confidence in the QBs he recruited to EWU. He went out and poached a guy that SMU developed, and nobody raised a fuss about it.

Pretty crappy of Baldwin to promise Mitchell the starting job when he had QBs already in his program that he recruited, isn't it? Or does that only apply to Oregon. Adams hasn't even been promised the starting job, nor was he when he made his official visit to UCLA last weekend. It's sour grapes, and Baldwin, to his credit admitted as much. Ash from MSU is the real head-scratcher here to me. He has no involvement in this transfer.

Great post. I do find the lack of consistency in the arguments coming from FCS schools interesting. On one hand, Baldwin ridicules Oregon for not having recruited a back-up QB capable of stepping in for Mariota when he declared. On the other hand, the main back-up from two years ago, Bryan Bennett, was offered the option by an FCS school to transfer without waiting and he took it. Actually, quite a few of our back-ups over the years have been poached by FCS schools, and we never publicly whined about it to the level that Baldwin and Ash have done in this case. Kinda seems like FCS wants their cake and eat it too. The argument that it doesn't matter because they weren't the best QB on the team is really immaterial. These players are actively on the team and even Baldwin can see the need for good backups (when the argument applies to his own situation, at least).

 

[Phalanx]

You guys are missing the point about Oregon and that is the fact that they are actively pursuing players on another team's roster. This new rule is in place for academic reasons and not football reasons. By Oregon pursuing players on other schools rosters they are crossing an ethical line that has been developed over years.

Those bystanders that say the kids should be allowed to transfer to improve their status or whatever, then by that logic there shouldn't be any transfer rules at all and kids should be able to move at anytime. Why have any rules about this at all? The answer is to reduce ethical headhunters that are on the prowl.

This is not Russell Wilson like at all, that is a ignorant and uninformed argument.

Interesting. Coach Baldwin himself made that 'ignorant uninformed argument' on Portland radio today. He was specifically asked if the rule should change, and he said no, a student should have the opportunity to better himself for a year if he has earned his degree. That question begins at 18:58 (see link)
http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The sudden about-face in rhetoric from Baldwin almost makes me wonder if he wasn't ordered by higher-ups to recant. He really went out of his way to say that Oregon did everything by the book, and that the whole thing was Vernon's idea.

 

[MLEagle]

You guys are missing the point about Oregon and that is the fact that they are actively pursuing players on another team's roster. This new rule is in place for academic reasons and not football reasons. By Oregon pursuing players on other schools rosters they are crossing an ethical line that has been developed over years.

Those bystanders that say the kids should be allowed to transfer to improve their status or whatever, then by that logic there shouldn't be any transfer rules at all and kids should be able to move at anytime. Why have any rules about this at all? The answer is to reduce ethical headhunters that are on the prowl.

This is not Russell Wilson like at all, that is a ignorant and uninformed argument.

Interesting. Coach Baldwin himself made that 'ignorant uninformed argument' on Portland radio today. He was specifically asked if the rule should change, and he said no, a student should have the opportunity to better himself for a year if he has earned his degree. That question begins at 18:58 (see link)
http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The sudden about-face in rhetoric from Baldwin almost makes me wonder if he wasn't ordered by higher-ups to recant. He really went out of his way to say that Oregon did everything by the book, and that the whole thing was Vernon's idea.

What ever makes you feel good about your team :thumb:

 

[GROUND&POUND]

Sounds more and more like that isn't happening. Hopefully your little program can find another money game. Oregon boosters aren't happy with money going to a podunk program who has smeared Oregon to the point of telling lies about the Ducks. Baldwin may have actually done some good today by admitting his overreaction, though. Seemed like a cool guy listening to him on the radio, and I imagine your AD has been telling Rob Mullens that they will apologize in public for the little temper tantrum they displayed earlier this week. If Oregon wants to, they can buy you out for $50k, and then throw $1 million at another FCS school to dump an early game. I imagine plenty of FCS programs could use an extra $1 million for their athletic department, no?

Oregon Ducks Football: 1,000 Uniform combos and ZERO National Championships.

 

[kalm]

You guys are missing the point about Oregon and that is the fact that they are actively pursuing players on another team's roster. This new rule is in place for academic reasons and not football reasons. By Oregon pursuing players on other schools rosters they are crossing an ethical line that has been developed over years.

Those bystanders that say the kids should be allowed to transfer to improve their status or whatever, then by that logic there shouldn't be any transfer rules at all and kids should be able to move at anytime. Why have any rules about this at all? The answer is to reduce ethical headhunters that are on the prowl.

This is not Russell Wilson like at all, that is a ignorant and uninformed argument.

Interesting. Coach Baldwin himself made that 'ignorant uninformed argument' on Portland radio today. He was specifically asked if the rule should change, and he said no, a student should have the opportunity to better himself for a year if he has earned his degree. That question begins at 18:58 (see link)
http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650/primetime-with-isaac-and-suke-2-12-15-hour-3.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The sudden about-face in rhetoric from Baldwin almost makes me wonder if he wasn't ordered by higher-ups to recant. He really went out of his way to say that Oregon did everything by the book, and that the whole thing was Vernon's idea.

You need to improve your listening skills.

 

[Eagledawg]

The Power 5! In the end that's what it all comes down to! They call the shots and they run the show. Pandora's box has been opened and unabashed greed rules the landscape.

Remember the last NCAA meetings where the P5 led by SEC commissioner Mike Slive when they threatened to brake away from the NCAA if they didn't get their way? Now the P5 has twice the voting power as the other conferences. The P5 wants it all to themselves.

The Big Ten (actually 14) won't even allow their teams to play a FCS school. The Big 10 would rather play a another P5 school. How long before the whole P5 adopts that policy and they will run the whole show and be the NFL of the NCAA.

For P5 Oregon its not enough all the MILLIONS generated by their Pac 12 TV contract. Its not enough all the MILLIONS supplied by the shoe manufacturer. It will never be enough! What would they do next? Cherry pick the Bigsky of their best? If you would have asked me a year ago I wouldn't have thought this would happen but here we are. Gee, I wonder what next year will bring?