He needs to be reprimanded: fined or suspended. He represents the school and is nominally an employee of the institution. How he was acting on air and with the officials in hearing distance while being on press row (you can't act like that there) was totally embarrassing for Sac State, the conference, and himself. A little class is a lot to ask for with him.
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weberwildcat
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I disagree unless I'm missing something. It wasn't much diff than carl n dutch.
SWWeatherCat
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catcat said:
You're missing something. I don't know that the majority of things this guy was saying would warrant any kind of disciplinary action, but it was THE most bizarre crap I think I've ever heard spewed from an broadcaster. It most certainly was the embarrassments tal stated.
SWeberCat02
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Agreed, but this went beyond that. He ranted for about 10 minutes that all officials are out to get Sac and basically give Weber and Montana all the favorable calls. Ok for a fan to say that, but an announcer can't be saying that on air, true or not.Kadeezy said:
The best part about his rant is that it was right in front of the refs. :lol: :clap:
And I'm not understanding why anyone is down on Weber. You guys are still atop the standings and still control your own path this season. Take a breath Wildcat fans, everything will be ok for you guys.
And I'm not understanding why anyone is down on Weber. You guys are still atop the standings and still control your own path this season. Take a breath Wildcat fans, everything will be ok for you guys.
oldrunner
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You are right SD. Everything is still OK for us and the league. I do believe that the league will reprimand your announcer and probably ask to have him moved from the officials table. Not sure where you will put him, in that tiny gym, but his behavior was not acceptable for an official's bench. Also, it looked like the official monitor was his monitor. I'm not sure that is a good arrangement either.
He is obviously passionate for Sac St, and makes a lot of good observations, but he did cross the line last night. I feel bad for him. It was a great game and will be talked about for a long time.
He is obviously passionate for Sac St, and makes a lot of good observations, but he did cross the line last night. I feel bad for him. It was a great game and will be talked about for a long time.
If the league doesn’t like people being critical of the officiating, maybe they should hire better refs. Complaints about officiating are nothing new. If the league is butthurt about our announcer being critical off the refs then that is just tough sh!t. If any reprimands happen to the announcer it should be done internally by the AD if and only if our AD feels it is needed, not because the league thinks or says it should.
oldrunner
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SD;
I can tell you, from personal experience, that the league will get its way. The league is the governing body for athletics for its member schools, just like the NCAA is the governing body of its leagues. You can't tell them no without consequences., In the end Sacramento State will do what they are asked to do. It is no different than the refs having the final word of the game last night. The BSC will have the final word on it, like it or not.
I can tell you, from personal experience, that the league will get its way. The league is the governing body for athletics for its member schools, just like the NCAA is the governing body of its leagues. You can't tell them no without consequences., In the end Sacramento State will do what they are asked to do. It is no different than the refs having the final word of the game last night. The BSC will have the final word on it, like it or not.
I have no problem with an announcer being a homer. With the exception of the nau announcer, who is excellent, they are all biased and that's okay. I didn't really have an issue with what the sac state announcer said. It was annoying, but that's okay. I did have a problem with him using the comments to try and work over the refs. That is where I thought he crossed the line, and when the ref said something to him, he was defiant. He's not the coach, it's not his job to work the ref. if he gets in trouble, it will probably be for that reason.
I wondered if his comments were part of the reason the sac state coach got such a quick tech.
I wondered if his comments were part of the reason the sac state coach got such a quick tech.
Sad but true, I just view this announcer issue different then say a coach ranting about a poor officiating job. Announcers are mouthpieces for their respective programs. Some are better than others, but for the most part they are paid to be a homer. Coaches have a direct impact in the game and have a legitimate position to be in a refs ear; an announcer does not. Part of being a coach is “lobbying” the refs during games whereas that is not the role of an announcer. Therefore I don’t see why an announcer ranting about the calls should have any impact on a game whatsoever and why I see the league reprimanding an announcer as ridiculous.oldrunner said:SD;
I can tell you, from personal experience, that the league will get its way. The league is the governing body for athletics for its member schools, just like the NCAA is the governing body of its leagues. You can't tell them no without consequences., In the end Sacramento State will do what they are asked to do. It is no different than the refs having the final word of the game last night. The BSC will have the final word on it, like it or not.
I get that, but have to wonder why the refs would even bother letting the homer announcer get in their head. Do they also let the crowd get in their head too? The refs should be above letting a homer announcer getting in their head. The league has more important things to worry about instead of what a homer announcer is saying. :twocents:pawildcat said:
SWeberCat02
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Good point made by Agent G on egriz:
"The most classless and worst part about the Sac State announcer was when he was deliberately ranting his opinions about the officials while they were two feet away from him looking at the monitor on a couple plays. It was very pathetic. He may as well have been a dad of a player in the stands screaming at the ref. But for him to use his position at the table as a play by play announcer in that way, to try to judge or influence the officials while doing their job, is completely unprofessional and shows him to be a hack announcer.
Whether some of the calls were correct or not is irrelevant. He obviously supports and wants his team to win, but that was really bad and uncalled for."
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"The most classless and worst part about the Sac State announcer was when he was deliberately ranting his opinions about the officials while they were two feet away from him looking at the monitor on a couple plays. It was very pathetic. He may as well have been a dad of a player in the stands screaming at the ref. But for him to use his position at the table as a play by play announcer in that way, to try to judge or influence the officials while doing their job, is completely unprofessional and shows him to be a hack announcer.
Whether some of the calls were correct or not is irrelevant. He obviously supports and wants his team to win, but that was really bad and uncalled for."
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Potomac Griz1
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catcat said:
It was quite a bit different than them in my opinion. Last year Dutch was overboard with the complaining about Tinkle complaining to the refs in the Griz @Weber game, but you know..sometimes people have bad days.
This year I thought your announcers were very good for the Griz @Weber game and enjoyable to listen to. Dutch obviously knows a LOT about basketball so hearing his thoughts during the game on something other than the HCs antics on the sidelines (which just about all HCs do) added a lot to the broadcast.
What the Sac announcer did last night added nothing to the broadcast other than confirming that he is seriously butthurt over years and years of watching Sac get stomped by Weber and the Griz. When he started loudly whining about how a foul should have been called while the officials were using his monitor to review and see how much time was on the clock is when he stepped way over the line in my opinion.
It was cringe-worthy listening to him last night. I found myself kind of embarrassed for Sac fans. All announcers are homers to some extent of course, but the Sac one last night is right up near the top as the most pathetic displays of whining on air I've ever heard.
SWWeatherCat
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SDHornet said:
On more than one occasion I've seen officials ask for fans to be removed or have fans told they can't say or do something specific, whether directed at the players, refs or whatever. I'm not so sure it's about allowing something to get in their heads as opposed to not allowing things that cross certain lines of conduct, whatever they may be. There's no reason to believe that a broadcaster at an officials table wouldn't be held to the same standard.
SWWeatherCat
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SWeberCat02 said:
I was already stunned by what this guy was saying and then just kinda had to start laughing when he said something to the effect of, "even Weber fans back in Ogden have to be rooting for Sacramento to win this game after how lopsided the series has been and how many time Sac has been robed by the officials." :wtf:
SD thank you for talking me off the ledge. You are absolutely right. Every announcer is a total homer and Dutch is the worst. I understand last nights extremist comments. It was a close game. Lots of emotions in the Nest last night and a chance to upset a league leader and strong basketball program on their home court. 1st time since 2007. I get it. I'd be going somewhat nuts too. Kinda like when Weber should have beat MSU in football in 09...high emotions and lots of strange conspiracy theory's. So...interesting stuff.
SWWeatherCat said:
I'm not like catcat...I always want to see Weber win. But he did bring up, the announcer, a funny robbing incident. The infamous dunk by Coric Riggs. Hahahah...that game was totally over when Riggs dunked the ball to end and win the game against Sac in 05. That is the only time I remember Weber getting a controversial call against Sac to end the game. The next year Jerome Jenkins finally beat the Cats at the Dee and the Hornets took home the game ball. Bengalhater wore a brown paper sack during that game to show his disgust for the direction of the basketball program and what Jumpin Joe had done during his tenure.
Just watched the replay on Big Sky TV video on demand. Sac State's announcer was excessive in his whining ... but I'd have to agree that his gripe that Sac State's guard was fouled by Richardson on the drive at the end of the second half had some merit. His WSU/UM gripes were over the top and making his complaints known to the refs won't help his teams cause. But he did give WSU props for being a great program. It wasn't all spite and venom spewing forth.
That was a hell of an ending to the game, though. Losing sucks but at least this will be memorable. ;-)
That was a hell of an ending to the game, though. Losing sucks but at least this will be memorable. ;-)
