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Sac to the WAC?????

SloStang

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WAC commissioner Karl Benson mentions Sac State, Cal Poly and UC Davis as possible replacements if Boise State and La. Tech leave to a sports writer for the Star Bulletin (Hawaii).

When I ask Benson who might replace Boise State and LaTech, he mentions Sacramento State, Cal Poly and UC Davis. Sorry folks, USC, Cal and Stanford aren't available.

Link to the Article: http://www.starbulletin.com/sports/20100516_boises_wac_exit_seems_inevitable_unavoidable.html


What do Hornet fans think?
 
If LA Tech leaves, the travel is not much different than current BSC travel (except for Hawaii). We already travel to Idaho and Utah, and there could be some real rivalries with UCD, Nevada and Fresno. If Sac did move up, they would probably capture more of the local talent that goes to the other WAC schools. With that said, we would have some major costs with this move (as has been stated before...arena, stadium upgrade). Montana continues to look at what it would cost for them to move up and they've got a study going on now to determine if or when a move makes any sense for them . Different situation with them because they don't have the other sports in which we are already in the WAC and they are having financial difficulty now even with a sold out stadium,the highest ticket prices in the BSC, a winning program (which is not a for sure thing in the WAC), and little student support for higher fees.
 
Super Hornet said:
Uh, Sac State already IS in the WAC....
Uh, I guess Cal Poly is in the Pac-10 then (Wrestling).

This is a thread about Sac, Poly and Davis as possible canidates to join the WAC as FULL MEMBERS if Boise State and La. Tech leave. I would love to see all three schools move to the WAC together.
 
If this happened It would be incredible! I'm just worried about the financial situation we're facing. The cuts the school has had to make will make any increase in the athletic budget a hard sell for students and faculty. As we've discussed time and time again, the basketball arena issue could be temporarily solved with Arco or Memorial while we worked to build a new one.

I think the dominoes are starting to fall. Not only is Boise and other WAC schools looking to jet this off-season, but the Big Ten is threatening and expand which is causing the other conferences to look at re-alignment. There are many scenarios that could help launch us up into the IA ranks. Anyway, at least we're being mentioned.
 
SJHornet said:
If this happened It would be incredible! I'm just worried about the financial situation we're facing. The cuts the school has had to make will make any increase in the athletic budget a hard sell for students and faculty.

The athletic dept. will need to be fully self sufficient before this happens in this economy. Were looking at $75M (arena & stadium upgrade) start-up money and an additional $5-6M in annual budgeting. Now would be the best time to build as steel, concrete and labor havent been this inexpensive in a loooong time.
 
SloStang said:
Super Hornet said:
Uh, Sac State already IS in the WAC....
Uh, I guess Cal Poly is in the Pac-10 then (Wrestling).

This is a thread about Sac, Poly and Davis as possible canidates to join the WAC as FULL MEMBERS if Boise State and La. Tech leave. I would love to see all three schools move to the WAC together.

As everyone here knows, I am deeply and fundamentally opposed to any move to FBS. I believe that the quality of FCS football is much better. However, if the issue is forced and we do go, I can't imagine doing so without Cow Poly and the Manure Pile. The rivalries there are WAY to important to trash. In addition, getting the three of us in the same conference would amazingly revitalize the rivalries: any game will have conference standings and possibly a bowl berth on the line.

Of course, I'd MUCH rather have this happen in the Sky because playoffs are MUCH better than bogus bowls.
 
SJHornet said:
As we've discussed time and time again, the basketball arena issue could be temporarily solved with Arco or Memorial while we worked to build a new one.

Arco may not exist in a couple of years. And if we even brought up the idea of Memorial (with the horrible acoustics and lighting, not to mention zero parking), we'd get laughed out of the WAC before we even got started.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
SJHornet said:
If this happened It would be incredible! I'm just worried about the financial situation we're facing. The cuts the school has had to make will make any increase in the athletic budget a hard sell for students and faculty.

The athletic dept. will need to be fully self sufficient before this happens in this economy. Were looking at $75M (arena & stadium upgrade) start-up money and an additional $5-6M in annual budgeting. Now would be the best time to build as steel, concrete and labor havent been this inexpensive in a loooong time.
This pretty much sums it up. This money issue is the biggest hurdle facing ALL of the schools. It sounds like the WAC will be desperate to overlook the facility issues if the schools have a plan in place to address them over time.

I agree with ChiCity about the travel. Aside from Hawaii, there wouldn’t be that much of an increase in travel budget if LA Tech leaves the WAC.
 
Posters on other boards say that the WAC commish is saying that Sac State is front and center for any expansion plans as Fresno, Boise and Nevada will be invited to the MWC this June at their meetings. So apparently the WAC is getting desparate and will overlook the warts.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
Posters on other boards say that the WAC commish is saying that Sac State is front and center for any expansion plans as Fresno, Boise and Nevada will be invited to the MWC this June at their meetings. So apparently the WAC is getting desparate and will overlook the warts.
Ouch Nevada and Fresno?!?! So much for the regional matchups in the WAC. I‘m not so sure if a move would be beneficial as the new WAC members may be far and few between. :? BTW, where did you come about this info GCM?
 
http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-local_sports/ci_15083029

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/05/11/bcs-expansion-boise-state-to-the-mountain-west-missouri-out-of-the-big-12/

http://www.starbulletin.com/sports/20100516_boises_wac_exit_seems_inevitable_unavoidable.html

http://www.spartanthunder.com/

You don't think the POS Sacramento paper would carry such info did you? Their head is too far up a bicyclist's ass when it's not up the SF area teams.

With the WAC emaciated from losing Boise, Fresno and Nevada does it hold much charm? Our local rivalry would be little big man SJSU Spartans and then after that Idaho, Utah State and NMSU with a combined 2-1,000 record. The WAC would almost certainly have to add UCFE and CP, which would make the move manageable. Add Hawaii as the step-child and possibly stability for a few years.

By joining the WAC we would probably pick up $3-4M in added revenue, we receive about $6M from the school now, so perhaps we are on the way to weening ourselves off the state teet?

W/o an arena though, and renting the Maloof's place, this revenue would quickly be paid out. Plus I dont want to give those Maloof clowns any revenue, they are greedy enough.

Sac State
UCFE
CP
SJSU
Utah State
NMSU
Idaho
Hawaii
Texas State/Montana/Portland State


out of the WAC:
Fresno
Boise
Nevada
LaLa Tech
 
These developments are exciting, but they also raise some concern. I’d like to see us in the WAC, but maybe 5-10 years further down the road. We need time to secure financing and make much needed improvements to our facilities. If we go to the WAC now, (next few years), we will spend all our resources on the added costs of moving up and our facilities will be put on the back burner. Without the upgrades we will loose recruits to schools who already have the facilities in place. We can expect to become an eternal bottom-feeder. It seems like we will be made a division 1-A school out of the pure necessity of others rather than at a time when we are good and ready. Our membership will ensure the survival of the conference, but we will probably suffer in the standings, which may ruin our rep.

All the bad vibes aside, the thought of being invited, even despite the prospect of being a bottom-feeder, is still a happy one. 1-A conference will boost our exposure and if Poly and those other guys down the road come along we’ll have 4 California schools in conference. And except for Hawaii, the travel wouldn’t be that different than what we have now in the Sky.

Still... a big step that we might not be ready for yet
 
I agree with SJH but we cannot put too much stock in the administration in laying the proper foundation and making the necessary strides to get everything in-line for a jump. I don’t mean to knock the admin that hard as I feel they have been doing a decent job given the financial situation and compared to the admin at that school on the other side of the Causeway, they look brilliant. I mean how long have we waited for the new arena (student approved mind you) to be built? We as alumni and fans can not afford to wait around forever. As much as I would love for a new arena and an upgraded Hornet Stadium to be in place prior to the jump, I think the fact is the facilities just won’t come without there being an absolute requirement or a demanding need for them.

It’s obvious the WAC will be completely desperate for members if LA Tech, Fresno State, Nevada, and Boise State leave the conference. They will be so desperate that the WAC will have no choice but to accept the sub-standard athletic facilities for the time being. This will give time for Sac State to use the added exposure of being in the WAC to raise funds, find donors, and get new and improved facilities built. The main concern I have is the Title IX compliance issues associated with being FBS that will create other problems within the budget.

I don’t think Sac State has much of an athletic rep to ruin with respect to football. Sure Sperbeck has rebuilt this program and has it heading in the right direction but until the number of wins increases and this program becomes a consistent winner, that rep won’t change. A move to the WAC would not help this but with the WAC becoming a complete joke with the departure of said schools, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t be too hard to compete with the likes if Utah State, NM State, Idaho, SJSU, and even a floundering Hawaii program with the talent rich area of Sacramento to recruit from.

This brings about another concern I have. With the departure of the quality football programs from the WAC, this will only hurt the value of the WAC’s TV contracts and other sources of conference revenue and exposure. I have no idea how monetary projections could be made, but I have to think its is pretty obvious that any draw the WAC had for TV viewers and interest from common football fans will leave with the departure of Boise State. How often do your hear ESPN (or any major sports show) talking about the Sun Belt? Never. Why? Because they don’t have a team worth mentioning. This will be the same boat that the new WAC will be in until a team steps up like Boise State or Fresno State did. (Hawaii would be in this list too but they have been in steady decline since they failed to resign June Jones. Hawaii will be the obvious front runners for the WAC title year in and year out in the new WAC alignment.)

Having said all that, I say Sac State should move to the WAC if they are offered an invitation. The admin will need to secure agreements with the NCAA that will allow them to ramp up scholarships over say the first 3 years of being in the WAC (if this is allowed) so the budget wouldn’t get slammed with 22 (44 w/ Title IX) new scholarships to fund right out the gate. This should give the athletic department time to find funding for the additional scholarships and facilities or at the very least hash out a plan on how to address those issues in the near future.
 
We joined the Sky in '94, it has taken us 16 yrs. just to get the football facility to where it is respectable. How long will it take to get the stadium up to FBS standards? Another 16 years?

Basketball is still in the same quagmire of no facility and promises as it was in D2.

I finally feel comfortable that the overall athletic program represents us well in the Sky. By moving to the WAC we are starting all over again and with some facilities that are still not worthy of the Big Sky. How are we going to recruit a kid and show him Hornet gym or the erecto-set stadium when Utah State, NMSU, Hawaii all have true DI facilities?

Given the state of California economy, budget and hostility by faculty, I don't really see any public funded California university make an upward move.
 
If you clowns think you will get the invite to the WAC before us, I would seriously consider getting a refund on your "education" from Suc State. 8-)
 
aggiemba said:
If you clowns think you will get the invite to the WAC before us, I would seriously consider getting a refund on your "education" from Suc State. 8-)

Nice of you to come in to stir the pot...course we already have a foot in the door to the WAC with baseball and gymnastics, but you knew that already. I'd put our undergrad academics up against yours any day of the week. At least we have REAL professors teaching our classes, not some schmoe TA or GA :lol:
 
I hate responding to stuff like this but bro I think you need the refund if you are getting an MBA from UCDung
 

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