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Sac to the WAC?????

Green Cookie Monster said:
Since this is all candyland speculation, I'd suspect that if it does materialize positively for these three Cali schools will the current WAC, sans Boise and La Tech, still contain the members that Sac State would find advantageous.

I think with the current economic situation the mantra of the Presidents at each member school, especially Fresno and SJSU, will be cost containment and a reduction in expenses. Unless your a BCS, regionalization will be key for growth and survival. As regionalization will provide a saturation of media and fan exposure and as we know, gate receipts, donations/sponsorships and media money provide the golden egg.

Having members located in Louisiana and possibly Texas is prudently irresponsible. And even crazy talk North Dakota State makes for a circus of expenses and logistics. This is afterall a Western based conference. NMSU is pushing the footprint and by adding programs that don't have direct flights or driving/travel convenience for fans will be greatly effecting gate receipt. I would easily predict at least 20,000 fans at Hornet Stadium for a game against Nevada or SJSU, more for Fresno. That 20K would be made up of fans from both programs. How many Bobcat or Runners fans will attend a game in San Jose? SJSU averaged ~ 15K fans last year, that means the program lost 5K potential revenue paying fans that would have traveled with the visiting team.

Add to that the expense of maintaining non-revenue producing sports and it just doesnt make sense.

I feel pretty confident that due diligence has been done and Dr. Wanless wouldn't be making such flippant remarks to the press and being quoted by cornerstone conference presidents if it didn't have validity.

If an invite does materialize, I'd say accept it. We already sponsor 20 varsity sports and fulfill Title IX requirements. We could add more schollies to womens crew, that program can have many schollies, to offset the additional 22 football schollies. Any additional non-revenue producing sport expenses would be negated by a bus ride v. flying for a tennis match in Pocatello or a mens golf tournament in Hartford.

The conference and teams could focus on promoting and directing media attention for games against regional rivalries. McClatchy owns the Fresno and Sacramento Bee along with the San Jose Mercury, so having three member teams with the same owner could really drive up rivalries and readership.

Thoughts?

The big question now is if Boise obtains an MWC bid. With the possible breakup of the BIg12, that would cause some major changes to the conference landscape.

If the Big12 breaks up and is left with 4 teams (KU, KSU, ISU, CU), those four will begin to reassemble a Big12 by adding TCU, Houston, Memphis, Louisville, Colorado St, Utah, BYU, and New Mexico. The rump of the MWC would be down to AFA, Wyoming, UNLV, and SDSU. AFA goes independent. The other three return to the WAC, and the WAC no longer needs any new schools. That could effectively slam the door on any FCS school moving up.

You'll have to forgive NDSU fans for their crazy talk on message boards. They are probably the most insecure set of fans you'll ever find: they truly do want to be "someone" someday.
 
aggiemba said:
Davis will be going WAC. Mark my words. I suspect Cal Poly will be going also. Sorry Sac.

Please give us your reasoning, youre making no sense. What makes you think that they'll get an invite before Sac State? UCFE has no money, they just cut sports programs, and they don't have a big enough stadium.

I can understand your frustration as UCFE's future is uncertain, and as much of a football history as the place has, is in deep doo doo if they dont start managing their funds better. Word is, next year youre going to see a few more sports programs cut. Now how is UCFE going to justify spending EXTRA money on football when they are cutting other programs?
 
There has been some great comments on this thread. I too would like to see all the CA FCS school move up together but the odds of that are not likely. I just don’t see all three schools coordinating such a move, and I don’t see all three schools with the will to make a bold move. However if it did happen, it would be pretty cool and advantageous for all the CA schools to partake in the WAC. It would also help tremendously with travel and fan interests.

Siouxfan, I think anything is possible with this conference talk, but I find it hard to see the MWC go away. Right now as their conference currently stands, their brand is a lot better than the WAC brand. I would think the MWC would raid the WAC instead of the other way around. But who knows, the dominoes will probably start falling soon.
 
StungAlum said:
aggiemba said:
Davis will be going WAC. Mark my words. I suspect Cal Poly will be going also. Sorry Sac.

Please give us your reasoning, youre making no sense. What makes you think that they'll get an invite before Sac State? UCFE has no money, they just cut sports programs, and they don't have a big enough stadium.

I can understand your frustration as UCFE's future is uncertain, and as much of a football history as the place has, is in deep doo doo if they dont start managing their funds better. Word is, next year youre going to see a few more sports programs cut. Now how is UCFE going to justify spending EXTRA money on football when they are cutting other programs?
SA, aggiemba is just blowing smoke out of his ass again. If he had anything from the athletic department supporting his claims, he would have posted them. As of now, the only thing indicating a move for them has been a few blurbs in a few articles. Recently, “the farm extension” athletic department let their main athletic website lapse (they didn’t pay their website bill on time). I mean those folks can’t even keep a website alive, what makes anyone think they are capable of making the proper decisions and judgment about moving to the WAC? :lol:
 
StungAlum said:
aggiemba said:
Davis will be going WAC. Mark my words. I suspect Cal Poly will be going also. Sorry Sac.

Please give us your reasoning, youre making no sense. What makes you think that they'll get an invite before Sac State? UCFE has no money, they just cut sports programs, and they don't have a big enough stadium.

I can understand your frustration as UCFE's future is uncertain, and as much of a football history as the place has, is in deep doo doo if they dont start managing their funds better. Word is, next year youre going to see a few more sports programs cut. Now how is UCFE going to justify spending EXTRA money on football when they are cutting other programs?

Excellent point SA, UCFE spun off enough rope to hang itself. How can the adminsitration at that school possibly go to the eggheads and say they are going to spend $M's to upgrade its program when it is cutting other sports and adding 33% tuition increases every semester. Talk about bad press and a spiderweb of possible litigation.

Thats too funny about letting the UCFE website domain registration lapse.
 
Siouxfan said:
Green Cookie Monster said:
Since this is all candyland speculation, I'd suspect that if it does materialize positively for these three Cali schools will the current WAC, sans Boise and La Tech, still contain the members that Sac State would find advantageous.

I think with the current economic situation the mantra of the Presidents at each member school, especially Fresno and SJSU, will be cost containment and a reduction in expenses. Unless your a BCS, regionalization will be key for growth and survival. As regionalization will provide a saturation of media and fan exposure and as we know, gate receipts, donations/sponsorships and media money provide the golden egg.

Having members located in Louisiana and possibly Texas is prudently irresponsible. And even crazy talk North Dakota State makes for a circus of expenses and logistics. This is afterall a Western based conference. NMSU is pushing the footprint and by adding programs that don't have direct flights or driving/travel convenience for fans will be greatly effecting gate receipt. I would easily predict at least 20,000 fans at Hornet Stadium for a game against Nevada or SJSU, more for Fresno. That 20K would be made up of fans from both programs. How many Bobcat or Runners fans will attend a game in San Jose? SJSU averaged ~ 15K fans last year, that means the program lost 5K potential revenue paying fans that would have traveled with the visiting team.

Add to that the expense of maintaining non-revenue producing sports and it just doesnt make sense.

I feel pretty confident that due diligence has been done and Dr. Wanless wouldn't be making such flippant remarks to the press and being quoted by cornerstone conference presidents if it didn't have validity.

If an invite does materialize, I'd say accept it. We already sponsor 20 varsity sports and fulfill Title IX requirements. We could add more schollies to womens crew, that program can have many schollies, to offset the additional 22 football schollies. Any additional non-revenue producing sport expenses would be negated by a bus ride v. flying for a tennis match in Pocatello or a mens golf tournament in Hartford.

The conference and teams could focus on promoting and directing media attention for games against regional rivalries. McClatchy owns the Fresno and Sacramento Bee along with the San Jose Mercury, so having three member teams with the same owner could really drive up rivalries and readership.

Thoughts?

The big question now is if Boise obtains an MWC bid. With the possible breakup of the BIg12, that would cause some major changes to the conference landscape.

If the Big12 breaks up and is left with 4 teams (KU, KSU, ISU, CU), those four will begin to reassemble a Big12 by adding TCU, Houston, Memphis, Louisville, Colorado St, Utah, BYU, and New Mexico. The rump of the MWC would be down to AFA, Wyoming, UNLV, and SDSU. AFA goes independent. The other three return to the WAC, and the WAC no longer needs any new schools. That could effectively slam the door on any FCS school moving up.

You'll have to forgive NDSU fans for their crazy talk on message boards. They are probably the most insecure set of fans you'll ever find: they truly do want to be "someone" someday.


The NDSU fans sound like the dungpilers!
 
Green Laser said:
Siouxfan said:
You'll have to forgive NDSU fans for their crazy talk on message boards. They are probably the most insecure set of fans you'll ever find: they truly do want to be "someone" someday.


The NDSU fans sound like the dungpilers!

Literally, the barns are on campus! But really, UCDavis Aggie types are much more civil and refreshing in their behavior, and not bullying in their behavior. For example, after NDSU's last DII game - which they lost after a controversial play call which maybe cost them a playoff berth - some of NDSU's fans pursued the referees, who were literally fleeing in their van to escape the NDSU fan wrath.
 
The New WAC

Pacific Division:

Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Cal Poly, Sac State and UC Davis

Mountain Division:

Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Montana and Portland State


I am just dreaming, but it is a good one.
 
SloStang said:
The New WAC

Pacific Division:

Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Cal Poly, Sac State and UC Davis

Mountain Division:

Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Montana and Portland State


I am just dreaming, but it is a good one.

It makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't ever happen.
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
SloStang said:
The New WAC

Pacific Division:

Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Cal Poly, Sac State and UC Davis

Mountain Division:

Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Montana and Portland State


I am just dreaming, but it is a good one.

It makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't ever happen.
:lol: Sad but true.

While we are dreaming about the future WAC lineups, why not purge NM State and replace it with NAU.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
New presidents or vacancies at Poly, davis, Montana and Portland. Wonder how they would approach upgrading with new leadership coming in?

Katehi (UCFE Pres) wont be making any waves, their financial situation is too bad to justify spending anymore money than they need to to sustain their current academic standards. As for the others, who knows.
 
SDHornet said:
SactoHornetAlum said:
SloStang said:
The New WAC

Pacific Division:

Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Cal Poly, Sac State and UC Davis

Mountain Division:

Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Montana and Portland State


I am just dreaming, but it is a good one.

It makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't ever happen.
:lol: Sad but true.

While we are dreaming about the future WAC lineups, why not purge NM State and replace it with NAU.

NAU doesnt have baseball or softball, a core WAC sport.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
SDHornet said:
SactoHornetAlum said:
SloStang said:
The New WAC

Pacific Division:

Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Cal Poly, Sac State and UC Davis

Mountain Division:

Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Montana and Portland State


I am just dreaming, but it is a good one.

It makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't ever happen.
:lol: Sad but true.

While we are dreaming about the future WAC lineups, why not purge NM State and replace it with NAU.

NAU doesnt have baseball or softball, a core WAC sport.

Nither does Montana!
 
Green Laser said:
Green Cookie Monster said:
SDHornet said:
SactoHornetAlum said:
SloStang said:
The New WAC

Pacific Division:

Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Cal Poly, Sac State and UC Davis

Mountain Division:

Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Montana and Portland State


I am just dreaming, but it is a good one.

It makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't ever happen.
:lol: Sad but true.

While we are dreaming about the future WAC lineups, why not purge NM State and replace it with NAU.

NAU doesnt have baseball or softball, a core WAC sport.

Nither does Montana!

True, but there are some football members that do not sponsor baseball in the WAC, not that I'm sticking up for them, but it's one of their arguments. It's too costly for Montana, they need two more sports and need to fund additional schollies. Other than football and basketball, they don't have anything to offer the WAC.
 
StungAlum said:
True, but there are some football members that do not sponsor baseball in the WAC, not that I'm sticking up for them, but it's one of their arguments. It's too costly for Montana, they need two more sports and need to fund additional schollies. Other than football and basketball, they don't have anything to offer the WAC.
Does Boise excel in anything other that football and basketball? :?:
 
Reno is too close to Sac to split the divisions there, IMO. Also, I just can't see Montana making this move. Sac actually has less infrastructure to improve than Montana does. While I don't like Sac making this move, it's easier for me to see it for Sac than Montana. Also, I'd say there's more of an argument to jettison Idaho than NMSU. The only reason Idaho jumped when Boise did was internal politics; they're an FCS school in sheep's clothing.

If there IS a reshuffling, I'm more inclined to see THIS:

Pacific Division

Sac
Manure Pile
Reno
PSU
Hawaii

Desert Division

Fresno
Cow Poly
USU
NMSU
 
SDHornet said:
StungAlum said:
True, but there are some football members that do not sponsor baseball in the WAC, not that I'm sticking up for them, but it's one of their arguments. It's too costly for Montana, they need two more sports and need to fund additional schollies. Other than football and basketball, they don't have anything to offer the WAC.
Does Boise excel in anything other that football and basketball? :?:

If memory serves, and it doesnt always, they are decent in gymnastics.
 

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