Schedule stuff

[oldrunner]

Personally, I'm sick of the same crap teams over and over and over again. West Coast Baptist, Black Hills State, and Presentation College? There are other NAIA and DIII schools. If you have to play beats, at least play somebody new or local.

I would like to see new beat fodder as well. However, I don't think it will ever be local fodder. Bringing a Dixie into the Dee is like telling the world (high school players in Utah) that they are on your level and should be considered that way in recruiting battles. The other thing is that a local team would always be overly excited to play you and scheme for an entire year to beat you. You find yourself in a game you don't care about, but your opponent is highly motivated to play.

For us, the answer may well be that we will have to develop HnH contracts with teams we really don't want to visit. Suck it up and go on the road to forsaken places.

Also. I think ISU can win that game in Poky. That is a great game for them to get. Why is it that ISU has a better relationship with USU than we do?

 

[sacstateman]

Have you ever looked at the way you talk about USU? The answer is blindingly obvious...

 

[WSUfan1]

Personally, I'm sick of the same crap teams over and over and over again. West Coast Baptist, Black Hills State, and Presentation College? There are other NAIA and DIII schools. If you have to play beats, at least play somebody new or local.

I would like to see new beat fodder as well. However, I don't think it will ever be local fodder. Bringing a Dixie into the Dee is like telling the world (high school players in Utah) that they are on your level and should be considered that way in recruiting battles. The other thing is that a local team would always be overly excited to play you and scheme for an entire year to beat you. You find yourself in a game you don't care about, but your opponent is highly motivated to play.

For us, the answer may well be that we will have to develop HnH contracts with teams we really don't want to visit. Suck it up and go on the road to forsaken places.

Also. I think ISU can win that game in Poky. That is a great game for them to get. Why is it that ISU has a better relationship with USU than we do?

Olds, seriously man? Can you please explain to me how this is any different than how Chris Hill and Larry K. view WSU? We complain all the time about Utah pulling the big brother card on us, and now youre pulling the same card on Dixie U.??? :tothehand: :tothehand:

 

[sacstateman]

Amen...

 

[oldrunner]

Personally, I'm sick of the same crap teams over and over and over again. West Coast Baptist, Black Hills State, and Presentation College? There are other NAIA and DIII schools. If you have to play beats, at least play somebody new or local.

I would like to see new beat fodder as well. However, I don't think it will ever be local fodder. Bringing a Dixie into the Dee is like telling the world (high school players in Utah) that they are on your level and should be considered that way in recruiting battles. The other thing is that a local team would always be overly excited to play you and scheme for an entire year to beat you. You find yourself in a game you don't care about, but your opponent is highly motivated to play.

For us, the answer may well be that we will have to develop HnH contracts with teams we really don't want to visit. Suck it up and go on the road to forsaken places.

Also. I think ISU can win that game in Poky. That is a great game for them to get. Why is it that ISU has a better relationship with USU than we do?

Olds, seriously man? Can you please explain to me how this is any different than how Chris Hill and Larry K. view WSU? We complain all the time about Utah pulling the big brother card on us, and now youre pulling the same card on Dixie U.??? :tothehand: :tothehand:

I understand the sentiment there. However, the UU's and WSU are both D1, while Dixie is D11. It is a bit like Bonneville High playing TH Bell Jr High. What would be the purpose. Of course we can say the same about Presentation or some small convent from the west coast. Why are we playing them at all? Sure, I can see it as an exhibition game, but a game that counts, a game we are charging money for? My personal opinion is that there should be nothing but D1 teams on our schedule. It is also my personal opinion that the NCAA should only allow HnH contracts, outside of exhibition games. No team should be allowed to purchase wins.

 

[SWeberCat02]

I understand the sentiment there. However, the UU's and WSU are both D1, while Dixie is D11. It is a bit like Bonneville High playing TH Bell Jr High. What would be the purpose. Of course we can say the same about Presentation or some small convent from the west coast. Why are we playing them at all? Sure, I can see it as an exhibition game, but a game that counts, a game we are charging money for? My personal opinion is that there should be nothing but D1 teams on our schedule. It is also my personal opinion that the NCAA should only allow HnH contracts, outside of exhibition games. No team should be allowed to purchase wins.

First thing Olds has said in a long time that I actually agree with. :+1: It's beyond sad that we are playing four, yes FOUR, of these worthless games.

 

[AlumniWSU]

:+1: :+1:
But as long as Coach Rahe & AD Bovee are OK with it...actions speak much louder than words... :wall:

 

[oldrunner]

:+1: :+1:
But as long as Coach Rahe & AD Bovee are OK with it...actions speak much louder than words... :wall:

Coaches and ADs across the country are going to need to come together on this, or it will never change. We are not the only ones with this issue. Coaches are afraid of getting fired for having a poor record and ADs are not holding them accountable for declining attendance. Presidents are not holding ADs responsible either. The NCAA is run by the Presidents and ADs, but nobody seems to want to talk about the 700 lb. gorilla in the room. Part of that is the P5s of the NCAA world want to continue to look mighty by purchasing 20 win seasons every year. We fans have no say in the matter, other than continuing to not attend games. Not attending games has not been working so far. That is a passive aggressive response to a situation that may take some yelling and screaming before the situation will improve. I say keep yelling and screaming, but stay engaged in athletics.

 

[oldrunner]

Finally, some good news from the NCAA. Maybe they have been listening.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-men-s-basketball-committee-redefines-quality-win

 

[n.ogdencat]

Finally, some good news from the NCAA. Maybe they have been listening.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-men-s-basketball-committee-redefines-quality-win

Oh my hell?! This is huge!! Now, will the NCAA actually enforce this readjustment? Lets cross our fingers and hope that this will help bring more teams to the Dee. A full DI schedule would be awesome! Any DI team would be an improvement over West Coast Baptist or Presentation College.

 

[oldrunner]

Finally, some good news from the NCAA. Maybe they have been listening.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-men-s-basketball-committee-redefines-quality-win

Oh my hell?! This is huge!! Now, will the NCAA actually enforce this readjustment? Lets cross our fingers and hope that this will help bring more teams to the Dee. A full DI schedule would be awesome! Any DI team would be an improvement over West Coast Baptist or Presentation College.

They also need to take a look at what a 'Neutral Site' really is. If it is within 100 miles and/or was organized by a school, it should be a home game and not a neutral site game. The Syacuses of world should not get extra points for cheating and never leaving the State of NY. Likewise, BYU and UU should not be able to organize 'neutral site' games at the Jazz's home floor. It really is just another home game for them.

 

[WILDCAT]

For those of you who hate our schedule. It could be worse.

Eastern Washington's Schedule.

Walla Walla
@ Washington
@ Stanford
@ UNLV
vs Georgia State in Vegas
vs Prairie View / Eastern Kentucky in Vegas
@ Utah
@ Seattle
@ San Francisco
@ South Dakota
@ Wyoming
Cal St. NRidge
Providence (Montana)

3 home games only one against Div 1 competition.
10 games straight away from Cheney

While Weber gets 6 OOC home games, 3 against Div. 1 opponents (Would be 4 but Beehive classic) and play only 2 true road games against Fresno State and Utah Valley. While playing 4 neutral site games against what could be 4 solid DI competition.

I too would like more DI opponents at home and less of the small fry's, but I would take 3 small fry's and 6 OOC home games to only getting to watch my team play 3 times at home before conference starts.

 

[oldrunner]

Looks like EWU is attempting the Gonzaga model. They are loading up on money games and expecting to take some lumps while building a war chest. It could be a 10 year project. It took Gonzaga at least that long to build it up. It will be interesting to see if they have the patience to take that long range approach. It could result in something big, or it could result in everyone getting fired. We will see.

If you want to be successful, you have to raise money somehow. Unless you can get bigger crowds, selling tickets is the least effective way to do it. If you have the right community, donations can help a lot. Without either of those, you are forced to get the money games on the road and take your lumps. It takes money to fly around the globe to find players, bring them in for visits, pay for team travel, pay for facilities, and pay for better coaches. It looks to me like EWU has that in mind. I hope it works out for them in Cheney. Where the crap is that anyway? Has anybody actually been there?

 

[n.ogdencat]

For those of you who hate our schedule. It could be worse.

Eastern Washington's Schedule.

Walla Walla
@ Washington
@ Stanford
@ UNLV
vs Georgia State in Vegas
vs Prairie View / Eastern Kentucky in Vegas
@ Utah
@ Seattle
@ San Francisco
@ South Dakota
@ Wyoming
Cal St. NRidge
Providence (Montana)

3 home games only one against Div 1 competition.
10 games straight away from Cheney

While Weber gets 6 OOC home games, 3 against Div. 1 opponents (Would be 4 but Beehive classic) and play only 2 true road games against Fresno State and Utah Valley. While playing 4 neutral site games against what could be 4 solid DI competition.

I too would like more DI opponents at home and less of the small fry's, but I would take 3 small fry's and 6 OOC home games to only getting to watch my team play 3 times at home before conference starts.

That is a brutal schedule to start the season. One of two things is going to happen to the Eagles. Either they learn how to improve or their confidence gets shaken so badly that they never really recover and their season is over even before it really starts. Two of those games are definite money games; Utah and Washington aren't going to Cheney anytime soon. However, I could see a number of the others being 2 for 1 or H/H. Seattle and South Dakota are probably H/H, maybe even San Fran. Wyoming is a 2 for 1 probably. Heaven's even UNLV could be a 2 for 1. I think the Eagles are doing two things with this schedule. A. Trying to build a better home slate and B. Make some money. Eastern probably doesn't have too much to spend on basketball, football is king in Cheney, so the basketball team has to make money to survive. South Dakota, Wyoming, San Fran, and Seattle aren't going to pay out a ton. They probably took smaller checks to get Utah and UNLV and Washington is an instate game (still making money, but not as much to get the right to play another state team).

 

[weberwildcat]

the schedule is much improved from last yr but i think 2017 was the worst schedule in school history. it won't be so bad if we can win the home games and do well in bahamas

 

[SWeberCat02]

Rahe said in his interview at the half of today's football game that the Fresno St deal is a 2 for 1. Can't believe it takes a 2 for 1 to get a mediocre mt west team to play at Weber. College basketball has serious problems, including scheduling.

 

[oldrunner]

Rahe said in his interview at the half of today's football game that the Fresno St deal is a 2 for 1. Can't believe it takes a 2 for 1 to get a mediocre mt west team to play at Weber. College basketball has serious problems, including scheduling.

I think that this shows just how hard Randy is trying to bring us a better schedule. Don't expect the NCAA to do anything substantive. All they are is a puppet for the P5 conferences. The only time that the NCAA will act is when one of the P5 schools feel that a mid major is getting a little too uppity. That is why I can't understand why all of the mid majors won't band together and solve some of the problems created by the P5. It must have something to do with the Fresno States of the world thinking that they are the next ones to be asked to join the P5. It is absolutely not happening, but these schools refuse to accept reality. :wall: