Short List for new HC

[WSUfan1]

Phil Beckner
Mark Pope
Tommy Connor
Eddie Gill
Andy Jensen
Alex Jensen

 

[SWWeatherCat]

If and when Weber is looking for a new HC, I would absolutely love to see what Beckner could do as a HC. We know he is an outstanding player developer and I think he's regarded as a good recruiter. I know Weber would benefit greatly from his ability to put a top-notch defensive team on the floor. Mark Pope is a know and proven commodity who sure gives the appearance of being a competent and capable coach. Both he and Beckner seem to be able to take players of varying talent and get the most from them through sound fundamentals, toughness, and hard-nosed defensive effort.

I can't force myself to care enough about the pUkes to have an opinion on Tommy Connor. I'm sure the Jensen Bros would have some value, especially with bigs but I'm not sure how I think they'd do as a HC, and get the feeling Alex has a different career path in mind at this point. I love Gill-- probably one of my top 5 all-time WSU players but I have no idea how I think he'd do as a HC.

 

[WSUfan1]

I think some on here will be offended that there is a threat about a possible new HC. I get offended by the current coach job searching at the pinnacle of the season. He has done this before, I lost respect then, and lost some more now.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Damian Lillard

He should be retiring from professional basketball about the time Rahe retires from coaching

 

[WSUfan1]

I think that Alex Jensen would be a huge get as HC. He has lots of NBA experience as a coach.
Eddie is my favorite wildcat of all-time. He too has lots of experience as a NBA player, and he currently does camps and stuff for kids with bball. Would he move away from Indiana? Maybe. But I would imagine he could coach well, and do a great job. Hopefully one day Dame will be the HC here.

 

[oldrunner]

The thing I find interesting is how clueless most fans are about coaches and the coaching profession in general. I'm just glad that saner heads will prevail.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Speaking of Lillard, anyone see what he did to the Lakers last night? It will always baffle me that he never made it to the NCAA tournament. That to me is the biggest indictment of Rahe as a coach. Steph Curry takes Davidson to 2 tournaments in his 3 seasons, including a trip to the Elite 8. CJ McCollum takes Lehigh to 2 tournaments in his 4 seasons, including a 15th seed upset of Duke. Lillard is at or above their levels and went to a similar small school, but never got to experience the tournament. Just sad.

 

[WSUfan1]

Speaking of Lillard, anyone see what he did to the Lakers last night? It will always baffle me that he never made it to the NCAA tournament. That to me is the biggest indictment of Rahe as a coach. Steph Curry takes Davidson to 2 tournaments in his 3 seasons, including a trip to the Elite 8. CJ McCollum takes Lehigh to 2 tournaments in his 4 seasons, including a 15th seed upset of Duke. Lillard is at or above their levels and went to a similar small school, but never went. Just sad.

I always use this are to an argument against Rahe. At one point or another, Dame had playing with him; Bamforth, Hansen, McCoy, Bull, Hughey, and Richardson. Some of the top shooting guards in all of WSU history. Yet, Rahe choked at coaching. There were many games when I thought to myself, "why doesnt Dame just take over this game?" I am convinced it was due to the coaching of Rahe. Playing Dame ball was not in the "flash card system."

 

[SWeberCat02]

Speaking of Lillard, anyone see what he did to the Lakers last night? It will always baffle me that he never made it to the NCAA tournament. That to me is the biggest indictment of Rahe as a coach. Steph Curry takes Davidson to 2 tournaments in his 3 seasons, including a trip to the Elite 8. CJ McCollum takes Lehigh to 2 tournaments in his 4 seasons, including a 15th seed upset of Duke. Lillard is at or above their levels and went to a similar small school, but never went. Just sad.

I always use this are to an argument against Rahe. At one point or another, Dame had playing with him; Bamforth, Hansen, McCoy, Bull, Hughey, and Richardson. Some of the top shooting guards in all of WSU history. Yet, Rahe choked at coaching. There were many games when I thought to myself, "why doesnt Dame just take over this game?" I am convinced it was due to the coaching of Rahe. Playing Dame ball was not in the "flash card system."

Almost any other coach in America would have won the infamous Anthony Johnson game

 

[WSUfan1]

Speaking of Lillard, anyone see what he did to the Lakers last night? It will always baffle me that he never made it to the NCAA tournament. That to me is the biggest indictment of Rahe as a coach. Steph Curry takes Davidson to 2 tournaments in his 3 seasons, including a trip to the Elite 8. CJ McCollum takes Lehigh to 2 tournaments in his 4 seasons, including a 15th seed upset of Duke. Lillard is at or above their levels and went to a similar small school, but never went. Just sad.

I always use this are to an argument against Rahe. At one point or another, Dame had playing with him; Bamforth, Hansen, McCoy, Bull, Hughey, and Richardson. Some of the top shooting guards in all of WSU history. Yet, Rahe choked at coaching. There were many games when I thought to myself, "why doesnt Dame just take over this game?" I am convinced it was due to the coaching of Rahe. Playing Dame ball was not in the "flash card system."

Almost any other coach in America would have won the infamous Anthony Johnson game

This seems appropriate for this time of year. Just in case Rahe needs a refresher....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-LTj2l17pg

Also, a real bad 3/4th court attempt by Bull. hno:

 

[WSUfan1]

Looks like Eddie is doing sports broadcasting for the Pacers. He is still connected to the game, as not doubt would be a good coach at this level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTpSK1gkOu0

 

[oldrunner]

The thing I find interesting is how clueless most fans are about coaches and the coaching profession in general. I'm just glad that saner heads will prevail.

Times two. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[n.ogdencat]

I don't quite understand this thread. We all know that Randy isn't going anywhere. Why would he? This is a great job. He can win 20+ games a year and isn't pressured by his boss to improve. Everyone is fine with just enough. Besides, even though there are some obvious things that drive me absolutely nuts about Randy (no big coach, certain assistants, inability to break a zone or press, stopping in the half-court instead of pushing the issue on offense, OOC success, this "new" motion offense, 7-8 man rotations), he nonetheless is a good coach and we have been Spoiled With Success (SWS syndrome). It has been a long time since we knew at the first of the season that we weren't contenders for the Big Sky crown. Every year, no matter who is on our bench, we are at the top of the league. In essence, the target is always on our backs. We are the team to beat. After Eastern won on our floor, it seemed as if they had just won a national title. Personally, I'd rather win and be the top dog in the kennel than taking the Flagstaff approach. SWS syndrome tends to color the lens of glasses a bit. So, I say, lets take a step off the ledge and enjoy what we have. Is it what we want? No, but then again it is better than what it has been. SWS is real and it can destroy programs. Fight SWS!!

 

[SWeberCat02]

I don't quite understand this thread. We all know that Randy isn't going anywhere. Why would he? This is a great job. He can win 20+ games a year and isn't pressured by his boss to improve. Everyone is fine with just enough. Besides, even though there are some obvious things that drive me absolutely nuts about Randy (no big coach, certain assistants, inability to break a zone or press, stopping in the half-court instead of pushing the issue on offense, OOC success, this "new" motion offense, 7-8 man rotations), he nonetheless is a good coach and we have been Spoiled With Success (SWS syndrome). It has been a long time since we knew at the first of the season that we weren't contenders for the Big Sky crown. Every year, no matter who is on our bench, we are at the top of the league. In essence, the target is always on our backs. We are the team to beat. After Eastern won on our floor, it seemed as if they had just won a national title. Personally, I'd rather win and be the top dog in the kennel than taking the Flagstaff approach. SWS syndrome tends to color the lens of glasses a bit. So, I say, lets take a step off the ledge and enjoy what we have. Is it what we want? No, but then again it is better than what it has been. SWS is real and it can destroy programs. Fight SWS!!

Sorry tal, but too many contradictions here. Why should we "enjoy what we have" when it isn't "what we want"? And no, it isn't better than it has been. I'm old enough to remember when it was better, when we were playing home schedules that I could get excited about, when we regularly beat in-state schools, and when we actually won NCAA tournament games. The problem with too many Weber fans is that they're just like the administration in that they're "fine with just enough". Why would Bovee and Randy feel any pressure to improve when most of the fan base is also "fine with just enough"? And I'm not asking fans to be unrealistic, just to want improvement, which is not what we're seeing. I don't expect Weber to be the next Gonzaga, but we aren't even the Gonzaga of the Big Sky. Gonzaga has won six straight conference titles, and 17 of 18. Is that unrealistic to expect? Probably. But Weber is arguably not even the best program in the conference, as it should be. Is that too much to ask from a program with our history, facilities, and resources? So let me ask you tal, which is it? Are you satisfied, or do you want better? It can't be both. And all some of us are saying is that we want better and don't think Rahe is the one that can make it better. I think some of you have gotten too close to Bovee and Rahe and you think that wanting improvement and change will somehow offend those you consider friends. I get that, but it so easy to see that improvement isn't happening. And that is so frustrating to some us because we too are invested in the school and program.

 

[SWeberCat02]

The thing I find interesting is how clueless most fans are about coaches and the coaching profession in general. I'm just glad that saner heads will prevail.

Times two. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And the thing I find interesting is how clueless you think some of us fans are. Quit being so condescending.

 

[WSUfan1]

The thing I find interesting is how clueless most fans are about coaches and the coaching profession in general. I'm just glad that saner heads will prevail.

Times two. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And the thing I find interesting is how clueless you think some of us fans are. Quit being so condescending.

This... Thanks SW02.

I cant count how many times olds has been 100% wrong in regards to recruits, player development, scheduling, personnel, coaching, game predictions, etc, etc. But somehow he knows all the ins and outs to coaching? Maybe olds has a Coaching Degree?

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

I don't quite understand this thread. We all know that Randy isn't going anywhere. Why would he? This is a great job. He can win 20+ games a year and isn't pressured by his boss to improve. Everyone is fine with just enough. Besides, even though there are some obvious things that drive me absolutely nuts about Randy (no big coach, certain assistants, inability to break a zone or press, stopping in the half-court instead of pushing the issue on offense, OOC success, this "new" motion offense, 7-8 man rotations), he nonetheless is a good coach and we have been Spoiled With Success (SWS syndrome). It has been a long time since we knew at the first of the season that we weren't contenders for the Big Sky crown. Every year, no matter who is on our bench, we are at the top of the league. In essence, the target is always on our backs. We are the team to beat. After Eastern won on our floor, it seemed as if they had just won a national title. Personally, I'd rather win and be the top dog in the kennel than taking the Flagstaff approach. SWS syndrome tends to color the lens of glasses a bit. So, I say, lets take a step off the ledge and enjoy what we have. Is it what we want? No, but then again it is better than what it has been. SWS is real and it can destroy programs. Fight SWS!!

Sorry tal, but too many contradictions here. Why should we "enjoy what we have" when it isn't "what we want"? And no, it isn't better than it has been. I'm old enough to remember when it was better, when we were playing home schedules that I could get excited about, when we regularly beat in-state schools, and when we actually won NCAA tournament games. The problem with too many Weber fans is that they're just like the administration in that they're "fine with just enough". Why would Bovee and Randy feel any pressure to improve when most of the fan base is also "fine with just enough"? And I'm not asking fans to be unrealistic, just to want improvement, which is not what we're seeing. I don't expect Weber to be the next Gonzaga, but we aren't even the Gonzaga of the Big Sky. Gonzaga has won six straight conference titles, and 17 of 18. Is that unrealistic to expect? Probably. But Weber is arguably not even the best program in the conference, as it should be. Is that too much to ask from a program with our history, facilities, and resources? So let me ask you tal, which is it? Are you satisfied, or do you want better? It can't be both. And all some of us are saying is that we want better and don't think Rahe is the one that can make it better. I think some of you have gotten too close to Bovee and Rahe and you think that wanting improvement and change will somehow offend those you consider friends. I get that, but it so easy to see that improvement isn't happening. And that is so frustrating to some us because we too are invested in the school and program.

We know what we are going to get with Rahe. The bar was set but never raised. We are being passed by in the conference and in the state. UVU I could argue is now better than us. Im ok with moving on and dealing with a few down years (like with Jay Hill) and giving someone (Phil Beckner) a chance to come in and build a program a different way. I am NOT satisfied and am tired of "just enough".

 

[n.ogdencat]

I don't quite understand this thread. We all know that Randy isn't going anywhere. Why would he? This is a great job. He can win 20+ games a year and isn't pressured by his boss to improve. Everyone is fine with just enough. Besides, even though there are some obvious things that drive me absolutely nuts about Randy (no big coach, certain assistants, inability to break a zone or press, stopping in the half-court instead of pushing the issue on offense, OOC success, this "new" motion offense, 7-8 man rotations), he nonetheless is a good coach and we have been Spoiled With Success (SWS syndrome). It has been a long time since we knew at the first of the season that we weren't contenders for the Big Sky crown. Every year, no matter who is on our bench, we are at the top of the league. In essence, the target is always on our backs. We are the team to beat. After Eastern won on our floor, it seemed as if they had just won a national title. Personally, I'd rather win and be the top dog in the kennel than taking the Flagstaff approach. SWS syndrome tends to color the lens of glasses a bit. So, I say, lets take a step off the ledge and enjoy what we have. Is it what we want? No, but then again it is better than what it has been. SWS is real and it can destroy programs. Fight SWS!!

Sorry tal, but too many contradictions here. Why should we "enjoy what we have" when it isn't "what we want"? And no, it isn't better than it has been. I'm old enough to remember when it was better, when we were playing home schedules that I could get excited about, when we regularly beat in-state schools, and when we actually won NCAA tournament games. The problem with too many Weber fans is that they're just like the administration in that they're "fine with just enough". Why would Bovee and Randy feel any pressure to improve when most of the fan base is also "fine with just enough"? And I'm not asking fans to be unrealistic, just to want improvement, which is not what we're seeing. I don't expect Weber to be the next Gonzaga, but we aren't even the Gonzaga of the Big Sky. Gonzaga has won six straight conference titles, and 17 of 18. Is that unrealistic to expect? Probably. But Weber is arguably not even the best program in the conference, as it should be. Is that too much to ask from a program with our history, facilities, and resources? So let me ask you tal, which is it? Are you satisfied, or do you want better? It can't be both. And all some of us are saying is that we want better and don't think Rahe is the one that can make it better. I think some of you have gotten too close to Bovee and Rahe and you think that wanting improvement and change will somehow offend those you consider friends. I get that, but it so easy to see that improvement isn't happening. And that is so frustrating to some us because we too are invested in the school and program.

Me?? Having a post full of contradictory statements? NEVER!! How dare you point out my rambling as incoherent and absolutely confused. :rofl:

Just a reminder. There were a number of fans, me included, who thought that it was time for Coach Mac to be put out to pasture. Jay Hill wasn't the beginning of the down years. He had one down year and since then it has been uphill (maybe that should be his nickname: Uphill Jay). John L and Jody Sears were also part of those down years and it came about because of pressure put on Bovee. Granted, we can't play JE Bovee for what John L did to us. Our football program was virtually gutted. Imagine if we could have gotten a Jay Hill type coach after Mac? I get it, we have that chance now, if Randy leaves. My bet is that he isn't going anywhere, and why would he. In another thread I posted salary. He would have to get a pretty damn good deal somewhere else, and I just don't see that happening. A big school might think they could get Randy on the cheap. He won't leave unless it is the perfect situation for him. He knows that at Weber State he won't get pressured and that he will have teams that'll compete every year for the conference crown. How many times has he won 20 games? With a below average team, this year, he has another 20 win team. It is a great situation. One that he won't leave and he isn't getting fired. This is what I probably should have focused on originally. Randy is going to be at Weber until Randy is done with being at Weber. He will either retire or go somewhere. Why leave now? UVU?? Well, they don't have football so, basketball gets more attention and money, same with Gonzaga. I think with our recent football success and consistency with basketball it is a good time to be a Wildcat. I hate UVU eclipsing us, but is that Randy's fault or JE Bovees or Chucks, or a combination?

Another point...a little history lesson. I too remember when times were better, but I also, know how to read history. This is starting to remind me of when McCarthy was pushed out and the beginning of the low point in Weber State Basketball history. Larry Farmer could be as much as a possibility as Ron Abegglen.

 

[WSUfan1]

I don't quite understand this thread. We all know that Randy isn't going anywhere. Why would he? This is a great job. He can win 20+ games a year and isn't pressured by his boss to improve. Everyone is fine with just enough. Besides, even though there are some obvious things that drive me absolutely nuts about Randy (no big coach, certain assistants, inability to break a zone or press, stopping in the half-court instead of pushing the issue on offense, OOC success, this "new" motion offense, 7-8 man rotations), he nonetheless is a good coach and we have been Spoiled With Success (SWS syndrome). It has been a long time since we knew at the first of the season that we weren't contenders for the Big Sky crown. Every year, no matter who is on our bench, we are at the top of the league. In essence, the target is always on our backs. We are the team to beat. After Eastern won on our floor, it seemed as if they had just won a national title. Personally, I'd rather win and be the top dog in the kennel than taking the Flagstaff approach. SWS syndrome tends to color the lens of glasses a bit. So, I say, lets take a step off the ledge and enjoy what we have. Is it what we want? No, but then again it is better than what it has been. SWS is real and it can destroy programs. Fight SWS!!

Sorry tal, but too many contradictions here. Why should we "enjoy what we have" when it isn't "what we want"? And no, it isn't better than it has been. I'm old enough to remember when it was better, when we were playing home schedules that I could get excited about, when we regularly beat in-state schools, and when we actually won NCAA tournament games. The problem with too many Weber fans is that they're just like the administration in that they're "fine with just enough". Why would Bovee and Randy feel any pressure to improve when most of the fan base is also "fine with just enough"? And I'm not asking fans to be unrealistic, just to want improvement, which is not what we're seeing. I don't expect Weber to be the next Gonzaga, but we aren't even the Gonzaga of the Big Sky. Gonzaga has won six straight conference titles, and 17 of 18. Is that unrealistic to expect? Probably. But Weber is arguably not even the best program in the conference, as it should be. Is that too much to ask from a program with our history, facilities, and resources? So let me ask you tal, which is it? Are you satisfied, or do you want better? It can't be both. And all some of us are saying is that we want better and don't think Rahe is the one that can make it better. I think some of you have gotten too close to Bovee and Rahe and you think that wanting improvement and change will somehow offend those you consider friends. I get that, but it so easy to see that improvement isn't happening. And that is so frustrating to some us because we too are invested in the school and program.

Me?? Having a post full of contradictory statements? NEVER!! How dare you point out my rambling as incoherent and absolutely confused. :rofl:

Just a reminder. There were a number of fans, me included, who thought that it was time for Coach Mac to be put out to pasture. Jay Hill wasn't the beginning of the down years. He had one down year and since then it has been uphill (maybe that should be his nickname: Uphill Jay). John L and Jody Sears were also part of those down years and it came about because of pressure put on Bovee. Granted, we can't play JE Bovee for what John L did to us. Our football program was virtually gutted. Imagine if we could have gotten a Jay Hill type coach after Mac? I get it, we have that chance now, if Randy leaves. My bet is that he isn't going anywhere, and why would he. In another thread I posted salary. He would have to get a pretty damn good deal somewhere else, and I just don't see that happening. A big school might think they could get Randy on the cheap. He won't leave unless it is the perfect situation for him. He knows that at Weber State he won't get pressured and that he will have teams that'll compete every year for the conference crown. How many times has he won 20 games? With a below average team, this year, he has another 20 win team. It is a great situation. One that he won't leave and he isn't getting fired. This is what I probably should have focused on originally. Randy is going to be at Weber until Randy is done with being at Weber. He will either retire or go somewhere. Why leave now? UVU?? Well, they don't have football so, basketball gets more attention and money, same with Gonzaga. I think with our recent football success and consistency with basketball it is a good time to be a Wildcat. I hate UVU eclipsing us, but is that Randy's fault or JE Bovees or Chucks, or a combination?

Another point...a little history lesson. I too remember when times were better, but I also, know how to read history. This is starting to remind me of when McCarthy was pushed out and the beginning of the low point in Weber State Basketball history. Larry Farmer could be as much as a possibility as Ron Abegglen.

This needs to be only against D1 wins. The old 20 win bench mark should now be 25. We have like 3 wins vs non D1's. I dare venture to say that 10% of Rahes record for wins are vs non-D1's.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Fan, you bring up a great point and I agree. Waaaaayyy too many Sir Velo type teams on the schedule. This season there are, at least two, that shouldn't count. DII Black Hills State is iffy. At least they were a DII team in the NCAA. Unlike whatever West Coast Baptist is.